Will this ever be addressed?

TayDibiase

You guys stated how any class could be play any role when you were pumping this game up pre release. However it is a fact that you cannot successfully run any form of challenging content without a templar healer in your group. Are there any plans for adding more classes in the future especially another healing class to add some diversity?

MrBeatDown

I think they should make a set that allows my DK to teleport like a sorc. It can cost magic to do the dirty deed. Would make a a stale boring pvp game like this so much more fun.

thelordoffelines

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I think they should make a set that allows my DK to teleport like a sorc. It can cost magic to do the dirty deed. Would make a a stale boring pvp game like this so much more fun.

How is this related to the OP at all?

MrBeatDown

thelordoffelines wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

I think they should make a set that allows my DK to teleport like a sorc. It can cost magic to do the dirty deed. Would make a a stale boring pvp game like this so much more fun.

How is this related to the OP at all?

Just think about it, they could fix the issue by making the gear allow the use of skills from other classes. Then you play your nord sorc as a healer with other class abilities by simply equipping the gear. Could put BoL on a set for this. Its more creative than what ive seen put out in this game so far. The cp system would even allow this to work.

lolo_01b16_ESO

TayDibiase wrote: »

You guys stated how any class could be play any role when you were pumping this game up pre release. However it is a fact that you cannot successfully run any form of challenging content without a templar healer in your group. Are there any plans for adding more classes in the future especially another healing class to add some diversity?

Which content are you talking about? I'm pretty sure you can manage allmost everything without a Templar healer.

lathbury

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

TayDibiase wrote: »

You guys stated how any class could be play any role when you were pumping this game up pre release. However it is a fact that you cannot successfully run any form of challenging content without a templar healer in your group. Are there any plans for adding more classes in the future especially another healing class to add some diversity?

Which content are you talking about? I'm pretty sure you can manage allmost everything without a Templar healer.

you can manage anything without a templar healer

Jitterbug

Good morning everyone

This thread is weird

Have a nice day

kuscoe

Let me just drop this here for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAckYKCSVnU

So to start I will say repentence can be an invaluable skill depending on the situation however that is the only skill that templars have over any other healer

personally I almost never run with a templar healer my main healers I typically run with are a sorc and a dk

I do have a friend that has a templar but he is typically dpsing with me be it his nb or his sorc (never templar)

Everyone is still all hyped up on templar healers since launch but I urge everyone to try something else

lolo_01b16_ESO

@kuscoe Sorry for offtopic, but why does your dk cast scales? Is there any attack in that fight which you can reflect?

Sotha_Sil

kuscoe wrote: »

Let me just drop this here for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAckYKCSVnU

So to start I will say repentence can be an invaluable skill depending on the situation however that is the only skill that templars have over any other healer

personally I almost never run with a templar healer my main healers I typically run with are a sorc and a dk

I do have a friend that has a templar but he is typically dpsing with me be it his nb or his sorc (never templar)

Everyone is still all hyped up on templar healers since launch but I urge everyone to try something else

What will happen to the templars if we don't use them in PVE ? :S

kuscoe

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

@kuscoe Sorry for offtopic, but why does your dk cast scales? Is there any attack in that fight which you can reflect?

Only thing I could say is maybe you can reflect those flares? IDK I dont main as a tank and neither does he, he is usually dpsing alongside me when we have our normal tank. That is his toon he uses for PvP primarily

MrDerrikk

Wait for spellcrafting that (probably) should be out next year some time.

Kessra

No-one said that other classes can't heal. DK's in theory have the highest pure heal throughput followed by probably nightblades. But the support a templar brings to the table is way more supperior compared to other classes, especially if you play a stamina based build.

While almost everybody who did plenty of dungeons runs can provide magica (undaunted skill line: orbs), stamina regen is almost limited to templars which make them almost necessary for stamina builds. Sure, one can use the v14 healing master staff, though this by far does not replenish as much stamina as picking up a shard would grant or a even repentance on dead corps would provide. ZOS therefore should look into either the undaunted tree and change f.e. the skills to grant stamina to nearby players as well (or for an updated skill) or provide other classes with additional support. I.e. casting Ingeous Shild on a DK may also provide stamina to nearby players if helping hand passiv is skilled. For nightblades this could be Refreshing Shadows in the Shadow tree (although this should scaled down for the group in my opinion). For sorcs, unholy knowledge from the dark magic tree may reduce the stamina (and/or magica) cost of the group as well if a spell is used. This would even out support for other classes. To avoid perma support (and therefore infinite resources) the reg may have to be limited. A templar shard can only be picked up every 10 seconds grants a significant amount of stamina, this needs to be alligned with the other abilities as well to not grant other abilities to much or to few regen. If this should also be extended for magica can and probably should be discussed as well.

Depending on the setup of your group, healing also varies. If a full (support) tank is in the party, the healer can focus on DPSing and support while keep an eye on the healthbars. This makes especially vet dungeons almost always a cake walk as you almost gain a further DD here. The boss takes significantly more damage, certain mechanics can thus be avoided which also minimizes the heal requirements and therefore allows the healer to even DPS/support more. It is a questionable system on the long run which can easily be avoided by binding phases to boss health and reducing the received boss dmg while a phase transition is in place. Similar to the first boss in ICP where the adds spawn depending on the boss HP - if you have to much DPS, you have soon a room with to many adds which can kick your best-part. Also, on the 2nd boss in ICP, while the summoning phase the boss takes significantly less damage and therefore makes the handling of the flesh atronarch a must (although before the Orsinium patch and therefore the ICP nerf we only needed to kill one - in worst case 2 of these atronarchs - before killing the boss - ignoring the use synergie to throw the poison thingy).

Concerning tanks any class can fill this role. I am usually a DK tank but have seen viable templar, nightblade and since shild stacking even sorc tanks doing a more than decent job. Also DPSers are not that far away if the gear is competitive and the rotation well executed. Certain encounters though favor certain classes, builds and playstyles.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Well, if you're talking about stamina support for the group, that's not a healer issue anymore since many templar dds use blazing spear as part of their dps rotation.
So your complaint should be "why are there group constelations where it is usefull to have a Templar in the group"

kuscoe

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Let me just drop this here for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAckYKCSVnU

So to start I will say repentence can be an invaluable skill depending on the situation however that is the only skill that templars have over any other healer

personally I almost never run with a templar healer my main healers I typically run with are a sorc and a dk

I do have a friend that has a templar but he is typically dpsing with me be it his nb or his sorc (never templar)

Everyone is still all hyped up on templar healers since launch but I urge everyone to try something else

What will happen to the templars if we don't use them in PVE ? :S

Oh I know plenty of PvE templars my point was just you need not rely on them, expand your horizons

Having a templar is certainly nice though I do like that extra 5% spell damage

and to answer OP no it will never be adressed because it is not an issue, or atleast it is not something so broken it requires the attention of the devs

Qyrk

TayDibiase wrote: »

You guys stated how any class could be play any role when you were pumping this game up pre release. However it is a fact that you cannot successfully run any form of challenging content without a templar healer in your group. Are there any plans for adding more classes in the future especially another healing class to add some diversity?

Then whoever non-templar healers you run with need to start knowing the arsenals given to them. Vet dungeons (including the new IC dungeons) are viably ran with other healers than a templar. Each class have pros and cons when fitting into a role; if you have the group synergy (whether with your core group or pugs), you can successfully complete dungeons.

TayDibiase

That must apply to people with 1000's of champion points. There is no way possible a non templar healer is healing wgt vet 16 during the inhibitor fight without breath of life. As much as people spread out regen is the only option and it doesn't heal enough for that fight. No matter what you say you will not convince me otherwise, unless youre playing on pc in easy mode with all those add ons that pretty much tell you when to push a button.

JaJaLuka

You certainly can run challenging content without a temp healer! It's more challenging, but definitely possible. Have done vDSA with all classes as healers before (the time with a DK was just for loll's, I definitely don't recommend that one he sucked as a healer and it took aaaages but was worth it for the laughs).

remilafo

TayDibiase wrote: »

That must apply to people with 1000's of champion points. There is no way possible a non templar healer is healing wgt vet 16 during the inhibitor fight without breath of life. As much as people spread out regen is the only option and it doesn't heal enough for that fight. No matter what you say you will not convince me otherwise, unless youre playing on pc in easy mode with all those add ons that pretty much tell you when to push a button.

I play in an average guild that is filled with mostly casual family people, most of us are under 200 cp..

non of our healers are templar, they are sorcs and Dk's

we manage all the content just fine including vwgt.

the question you should be asking is what's wrong with your non-templar healers.

i mean BoL is nice and all but it definetly DOES not make or break a healer.

EDIT* something else, you mentioned spread out.while it's true that a templar healer can entirely by pass that gear/learning curve thanks to BoL.. Your non-templar healers if they are attempting content like vWGT should have grown up enough to not have issues with range. In a 4-person group magical springs/illustrious healing honestly shouldn't be used as the GOTO heal except under certain circumstances like crematorial guards.
Rapid regen and healing ward is all you need.

OGLezard

TayDibiase wrote: »

That must apply to people with 1000's of champion points. There is no way possible a non templar healer is healing wgt vet 16 during the inhibitor fight without breath of life. As much as people spread out regen is the only option and it doesn't heal enough for that fight. No matter what you say you will not convince me otherwise, unless youre playing on pc in easy mode with all those add ons that pretty much tell you when to push a button.

Roflmfao!!!!!!!! Addons telling people what to do..........

remilafo

OGLezard wrote: »

TayDibiase wrote: »

That must apply to people with 1000's of champion points. There is no way possible a non templar healer is healing wgt vet 16 during the inhibitor fight without breath of life. As much as people spread out regen is the only option and it doesn't heal enough for that fight. No matter what you say you will not convince me otherwise, unless youre playing on pc in easy mode with all those add ons that pretty much tell you when to push a button.

Roflmfao!!!!!!!! Addons telling people what to do..........

idk maybe he's right... i play on pc and yeah i do use addon's ..

You can't buff track (like rapid regeneration) or shield track (healing ward) on the default group bars.

Scyantific

You don't need a healer if you can murder everything in under 60 seconds.

eliisra

TayDibiase wrote: »

That must apply to people with 1000's of champion points. There is no way possible a non templar healer is healing wgt vet 16 during the inhibitor fight without breath of life. As much as people spread out regen is the only option and it doesn't heal enough for that fight. No matter what you say you will not convince me otherwise, unless youre playing on pc in easy mode with all those add ons that pretty much tell you when to push a button.

That's like the worse example ever. You for sure dont need Breath of Life for Inhibitor fight, no spike unless you stand in blue flame and explode. You dont even need a full time healer there, if people have some self-sustain. I've derped it with 4 shield stackers

You need templars for fights that adds pressure on stamina management. Inexperienced or casual tanks will need a templar for support. But with a tank that's good with his stamina pool(plays DK or NB and rocks a dwemer pet), any class can heal anything.

I wont deny it's a bit of a problem tho. Really wish there was some non-class support skill that helped with stamina management. There's over 3+ non-class support skills that helps with magicka management, after all.