"BUY NOW!"

Ace_of_Destiny

At the top of these forums is a big blue button labeled "BUY NOW!".
Now, tell the truth, (if you didn't already play) would you hit that button after seeing that on the top page of these forums alone are;

7 threads complaining about VR.
5 threads complaining about lag/crashes.
2 threads complaining all their friends quitting.

And that is ONLY the FIRST page!
That is over half the threads...complaining.

Do you, the players, want ESO to continue?
If so, I would suggest;

1. Be more positive with your posts...or at least with the titles that potential new players see first.
If you have a specific gripe, send it to ZOS directly...they almost ignore forum users anyways, it seems.
2. Use the Search function.
Having numerous threads about the same problem doesn't get it fixed any quicker that having one thread with 1000 posts in it.
2.5 Actually ASK the Mods to consolidate more topics.
This goes with the one above...but is a little more "pro-active".
Instead of 7 threads about one negative thing, ask them to condense them all into one thread...like they do with some topics.
3. For every "complaint" thread you make/read try to post something positive about the game.
Some old hippie did a study and it showed that thinking positive made people feel good...plus, the Devs need a pat on the head every once in a while.

Sorry for this post...but all the negativity just hurts my head after a while, and I can imagine it doesn't look very good to potential new players either.
ESO doesn't have a very good reputation already, and anyone coming here to further research it before buying would most likely not buy it after seeing "our" writings about the state of the game.


Have a Great Day!

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO

The truth? I bought ESO because, after playing the beta, Zenimax gave me the impression that they actually cared about the game they were developing. It had nothing to do with what was written on the forums at the time. 1.5 years on and the game still has serious issues. Worse still, the direction they are taking it is detrimental to the health of the game. They are driving players away in droves due largely to a lack of foresight. This is a common problem with MMO games in development today. The biggest problem is that developers no longer play the games they develop, instead relying heavily on statistical modelling. A good analogy is any person who thinks they can cook because they read a few books on cooking. There is no substitute for real world experience.

For example, the developers recently introduced IC which is the mashing together of both PvE and PvP content. PvP and PvE are completely different ideologies. They do not mix. It is like taking a bunch of communists and putting them in a room full of fascists. It will never end well. Surprise surprise, a couple months later and IC is dead. All of this should have been easily foreseeable and it would have been if the developers actually played their game. They just don't have the wisdom which comes naturally from time spent playing.

Ashaerien

There's a lot of MMOs that have threads that complain about the company, players, a class, a certain zone, etc. It's going to be present in every MMO because you cannot satisfy everybody. It's something a person they should expect when visiting forums; a lot of negativity. ESO isn't the only forum with it.

Ace_of_Destiny

I forgot to mention...

Keep VR, and please raise them to 100.

All players should get one CP per level, starting at regular level two.

The servers never lag/crash...it's just your router/ISP.

Alucardo

When I bought ESO there was a lot of negative feedback compared to other MMOs, yet I still bought it anyway. People don't always buy things based on the reviews. Sometimes they are willing to give it a shot on the chance that their opinion may vary.
I'm not upset I decided to get into this game, but I am upset to see how it's "progressing".

Ace_of_Destiny

Alucardo wrote: »

When I bought ESO there was a lot of negative feedback compared to other MMOs, yet I still bought it anyway. People don't always buy things based on the reviews. Sometimes they are willing to give it a shot on the chance that their opinion may vary.
I'm not upset I decided to get into this game, but I am upset to see how it's "progressing".

So, at this rate it would be safe to bet at "some point" you will wish you listened to the "bad reviews" of other players?

Serious question, mate...not messin' with ya.

BabeestorGor

I certainly wouldn't take too much notice of forum complaints.
Happy players play, unhappy players vent on the forums.

RSram

BabeestorGor wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't take too much notice of forum complaints.
Happy players play, unhappy players vent on the forums.

So I take it that your not happy?

nimander99

Most official game forum poster's that are just dropping negative non constructive posts are trolls that don't even play the game... plus gamers tend to be a bunch of whiny entitled cry babies that think their voices should matter.

If the above offended you, then you are who I was talking about

BabeestorGor

RSram wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't take too much notice of forum complaints.
Happy players play, unhappy players vent on the forums.

So I take it that your not happy?

Am I venting?
Done 2 delves, a bunch of questing and 18 writs today.

kevlarto_ESO

I have never played an mmo that the forums were not full of negative posts, bashing and just plain nasty, seems to be the industry standard these days. I think most intelligent gamers over look the forums and rely off word of mouth from friends and the like. I play what interests me don't care what others say or think of the product, I have played some really fun games for me through the years that had terrible reviews and forums so toxic they would kill a rattle snake, and had a blast with them.

Belidos

No I wouldn't click the buy now button, but not because f any of the reasons you list.

I wouldn't click that button because if I was on here to see it thsat would mean I already have the game and i'm on the forum because i'm already involved.

I don't read game forums, I already know that they are usually cesspools of hatred and trolling so I don't read them prior to buying a game.

I like to form my own opinion and not rely on the opinions of forum goers because there are two main types of forum posters, those who have a bug up their ass and need somewhere to vent and those looking for help.

MrGrimey

What about how screwed up the PVP is?

How they can't even give serious PvPers features as simple as dueling and arenas?

Artjuh90

MrGrimey wrote: »

What about how screwed up the PVP is?

How they can't even give serious PvPers features as simple as dueling and arenas?

if you wanted play a different game.
pvp was marketed of eso as large scale siege to bad 4 you

Flattedfifth

If people went by the negativity in a games official forums, Destiny would have sold like 5 copies total.

Alucardo

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

So, at this rate it would be safe to bet at "some point" you will wish you listened to the "bad reviews" of other players?

Serious question, mate...not messin' with ya.

Nah, not really. I still enjoy the game, and it's by far the most enjoyable MMO I've ever experienced. No regrets.

Ace_of_Destiny

Alucardo wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

So, at this rate it would be safe to bet at "some point" you will wish you listened to the "bad reviews" of other players?

Serious question, mate...not messin' with ya.

Nah, not really. I still enjoy the game, and it's by far the most enjoyable MMO I've ever experienced. No regrets.

I like it too.
The only MMO I ever liked better was Ultima Online...for the first few years.

Alucardo

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

I like it too.
The only MMO I ever liked better was Ultima Online...for the first few years.

Never actually played that one. From what I hear it was good in the beginning before turning into crap. Had player housing too I believe?

Anhedonie

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

When I bought ESO there was a lot of negative feedback compared to other MMOs, yet I still bought it anyway. People don't always buy things based on the reviews. Sometimes they are willing to give it a shot on the chance that their opinion may vary.
I'm not upset I decided to get into this game, but I am upset to see how it's "progressing".

So, at this rate it would be safe to bet at "some point" you will wish you listened to the "bad reviews" of other players?

Serious question, mate...not messin' with ya.

Tbh I don't know anyone who'd buy something based on reviews. There are a lot of thing you can do to understand if you like something or not.
The only thing I regret buying is some indie greenlight/early access ***.

freespirit

I love this game........

Does it annoy me? Holy #*~* yes........

Currently looking at these pages because I need to chill after my 4th crash today!!

That pop-up crash report is visiting me far too often........

''Please describe what you were doing when the game stopped working''

Playing damn you...... nothing special...... just playing!!

Last night I double checked the system requirements, just incase ZOS had moved the goalposts without me realising........

They haven't BUT my PC that should play this game on it's highest settings with relative ease does not appear to be able to do so.........

Therefore I have reduced those settings and yet I still crash with monotonous regularity........

This only started after IC btw.

/rant off

Time to log back in.

Morimizo

I consider the forums a place for s***s and giggles (and information too), but if I ever post, even if it is something that really vexes me about the game, try to keep a sense of humor about it.

Am I thrilled with everything ESO has to offer? No, but why should I expect a game that tries to cater to a multitude of play-styles be perfect for me in every way?

Would I like to see some things changed/tweaked? Sure, but not at the expense of what other players like. Adding more options is the best way.

Is this my favorite MMO of all time? No, but it's still young, and there are so many wonderful qualities about it, that it's very worth feeling optimistic (overall), if I were to judge 5 years from now.

Volkodav

I actually paid no attention to it.(I already subbed since the first.)

Korah_Eaglecry

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

The truth? I bought ESO because, after playing the beta, Zenimax gave me the impression that they actually cared about the game they were developing. It had nothing to do with what was written on the forums at the time. 1.5 years on and the game still has serious issues. Worse still, the direction they are taking it is detrimental to the health of the game. They are driving players away in droves due largely to a lack of foresight. This is a common problem with MMO games in development today. The biggest problem is that developers no longer play the games they develop, instead relying heavily on statistical modelling. A good analogy is any person who thinks they can cook because they read a few books on cooking. There is no substitute for real world experience.

For example, the developers recently introduced IC which is the mashing together of both PvE and PvP content. PvP and PvE are completely different ideologies. They do not mix. It is like taking a bunch of communists and putting them in a room full of fascists. It will never end well. Surprise surprise, a couple months later and IC is dead. All of this should have been easily foreseeable and it would have been if the developers actually played their game. They just don't have the wisdom which comes naturally from time spent playing.

And how would you know what is and isnt good for the health of a game? How many MMOs have you diagnosed as dying and then died due to what you see happening here in ESO?

How many players are they driving away in droves? I mean Id love to see the numbers on this. Please share them.

By all means tell me about all these failing MMOs some more. And how they all have this systemic problem of driving players away with their lack of foresight. I mean, how are they keeping their doors open?

Wait, wait. Developers have always played their games before? And just now they dont? So you know all of these developers personally enough to say with certain that they dont play the game. Then, what is that internal server for? You know the one they show quite often on ESO Live? The one with a Developer running around and at times running into other Developers? I mean sure the instance theyre in is internal and so it doesnt have the issue of lag and such. But short of some god-moding going on. The game itself, the coding and such is still ESO. Maybe Im confused, maybe that wasnt ESO we saw. Maybe its another game. ::shrug::

IC was the first time they decided to mix PvP with PvE? ::shock::. All those times running through Cyrodiil with the NPCs and their quests. That must be new, a result of IC right? And IC IS DEAD! Man, someone better tell all those random players I often run into down there in the sewers and in the districts. They must not of got the memo. Theyre supposed to have abandoned IC.

Yeah, because all those people demanding Large Scale PvP be played with Small Scale Tactics are really wise. Or those players that constantly yell nerf this and nerf that who really really know the game mechanics really well from their one character perspective. Or the ones that rage when an ability is nerfed because ZOS claimed it was over performing, but we all know the guys using it were using it because it was balanced and didnt give them any sort of unfair advantage. Only players are insightful and have the vision for a video game. Not the people that built the millions of line of code and have meetings weekly to determine the direction of the game.

JamilaRaj

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Do you, the players, want ESO to continue?

No. The game had some intriguing features, but now it is just waste of resources. If they open sourced what could be and scrapped the rest, we all would be better off.

Robo_Hobo

I'd have still bought the game regardless.

Taking player complaints on a game's forum seriously is like thinking those ridiculous ads for stuff on the internet are legit. Very rarely every once in awhile there might actually be something that's serious, but most of the time it's just exaggeration. Still, it's funny to click on them from time for time for laughs. Until I get adblock.

Except there's nothing to filter the equivalent here.

icontested

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

At the top of these forums is a big blue button labeled "BUY NOW!".
Now, tell the truth, (if you didn't already play) would you hit that button after seeing that on the top page of these forums alone are;

7 threads complaining about VR.
5 threads complaining about lag/crashes.
2 threads complaining all their friends quitting.

And that is ONLY the FIRST page!
That is over half the threads...complaining.

Do you, the players, want ESO to continue?
If so, I would suggest;

1. Be more positive with your posts...or at least with the titles that potential new players see first.
If you have a specific gripe, send it to ZOS directly...they almost ignore forum users anyways, it seems.
2. Use the Search function.
Having numerous threads about the same problem doesn't get it fixed any quicker that having one thread with 1000 posts in it.
2.5 Actually ASK the Mods to consolidate more topics.
This goes with the one above...but is a little more "pro-active".
Instead of 7 threads about one negative thing, ask them to condense them all into one thread...like they do with some topics.
3. For every "complaint" thread you make/read try to post something positive about the game.
Some old hippie did a study and it showed that thinking positive made people feel good...plus, the Devs need a pat on the head every once in a while.

Sorry for this post...but all the negativity just hurts my head after a while, and I can imagine it doesn't look very good to potential new players either.
ESO doesn't have a very good reputation already, and anyone coming here to further research it before buying would most likely not buy it after seeing "our" writings about the state of the game.


Have a Great Day!

You are trying to do a nice thing here but your name is ace of DESTINY. Then I read you said no to a ESO app because of the destiny app. I guess you didn't know the destiny app had to be that way due to a intellectual property lawsuit of a former employee, ace.

If you could change your forum name would you?

UltimaJoe777

Some people foolishly listen to other people's opinions when deciding to buy a game rather than actually look into said game. If they took the time to read up on some data or watch some gameplay videos they may get a more favorable impression.

Make your own choice, don't use someone else's.


P.S. Yes, both positive and negative overall opinions that someone bases their purchase on are foolish.

SeptimusDova

If you want happy Khajiit give Khajiit Meow Emotz plox

Bigevilpeter

i played wow, couldnt get past 2 months, played this game already been playing for 4 months and no signs of slowing down.
the graphics are better than any other mmo, the gamplay is more more dynamic, the only problem is the insane v16 grind fir me. I cannot even pursue engame gear until i have played 2 more months to get 1 character to v16.

with the removal of veteran ranks and the cap of CP will create a balance to motivate new players to come in and at the same time nake the game more about skill than grinding!!

Shad0wfire99

All forums are 90% complaints about the game itself. Go to the Bungie or Gearbox forums. They couldn't be more toxic. Knowing that about forums, they would have no bearing on whether or not I would click "buy now."

Knootewoot

When I bought the game and set foot on Stoss m'kai for the first time it was jawdropping. I really foresaw a great future for this mmo.

But nowadays the game had gone stale. Did all the PvE content and i don't find it enjoyable for an alt. PvP is non existant most of the time and IC farming mats is not my idea of fun.

There is no clear "road ahead".

Yes, we get Orsinium, which will take an avarage player 1 week to finish content if the zone is about as big as other zones
Yes we get dark brotherhood someday, but if it's as lame as the fightersguild or mageguild option... well then it's just another skillline
We might get thievesguild, but same as above.

What i now see is a company that no longer cares for the game itself but only to make money. I don't get emails with plans and ideas from Zos, but only things like "Exclusive Items Leaving the Crown Store!".

I still enjoy the game however when there is nice PvP going on. But mostly it ends in a lagfest and huge bombing trains ruining the experience i had when the game just launched.

Do i want it continue?

If they have a good road ahead i would be able to answer that question. But now i just don't know.
It's like you have a relationship with a beautiful girl but you know the cheated on you. Sometimes it is just better to pull the plug. It will hurt at first, but later you feel free and happy.