Sorcerer (Alt): best Magicka DPS skill tree for PvE

Fazmerir

So, the basic question is: which would be better? Dark Magic or Storm Calling to use on my Alt DPS Magicka-based Destro Sorc?
Thanks.

Tryxus

Dark Magic

Destro staff + Crytal Frag is all you ever need

MrDerrikk

Bolt Escape, Overload and Surge are in Storm Calling, but CF, Encase and Mines are in Dark Magic. Personally I use all the skills in Storm Calling and only a couple in Dark Magic, and the passives are very good for both.

Why only one?

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Bolt Escape, Overload and Surge are in Storm Calling, but CF, Encase and Mines are in Dark Magic. Personally I use all the skills in Storm Calling and only a couple in Dark Magic, and the passives are very good for both.

Why only one?

Yea, you'll eventually want both.. and Overload is the most powerful Ultimate in the game

Brrrofski

Overload is just...

Mine are hitting for 11k plus per light attack now. Such an awesome ultimate.

Dark magic is the hard hitter though.

Frag, curse, mines... Stack points into tharmatuge and these hit like a truck.

But storm calling has the execute and a good aoe. Streak is a great skill too. Stun, damage and mobility. Plus, overload...

Fazmerir

Thanks guys for your thoughts. Since my Sorc is still a "young" one I'll try and find a balance until I get more skill points but that Overload got me thinking... I'll go for Dark Magic and Storm Calling (until I get to Overload).

DannyLV702

Level all 3 skill lines equally. You will want a shield

Fazmerir

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Level all 3 skill lines equally. You will want a shield

That begs the question: which skills to preferably put on the 5 + 1 slots, then?

Tankqull

destro staff... the sorc abilities are pretty useless in the end dps wise.

The Uninvited

Single target bar I go: Surge > Fragments/Crushing Shock/medium attack weave > enemy almost down? > Mage's Wrath. Overload as ultimate

AOE bar I go with: Surge > Liquid Lightning > Impulse spam while keeping up Hardened Ward (or another shield like Bound Aegis or Boundless Storm). Greater Storm Atronach as ultimate

MrDerrikk

I'm assuming that you're doing PvE, and want a good amount of survivability for this build:

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Edit: Alternatively with Overload instead of bats:

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aLi3nZ

Always loved the lighting abilities but sadly don't really have room for them. I use this build as a DPS source for dungeons and IC runs.

Destro staff:
1/Crystal Frag (only use when proc)
2/Mage Light
3/Crushing Shock
4/Dedric Curse
5/Streak
Ultimate: SoulStrike

Restro staff:
1/Hardened Ward
2/Retreating maneuver
3/Healing Ward
4/Mutagen
5/Mage Light
Ultimate: Overload

MrDerrikk

@aLi3nZ

What have you got on your Overload bar?

EvilWaterman

Has overload an additional bar and if so , how do you set the skills in it?

Septimus_Magna

EvilWaterman wrote: »

Has overload an additional bar and if so , how do you set the skills in it?

Yes, you can set the bar when you activate Overload. Default is a copy of the bar which has overload as ultimate.

EvilWaterman

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

EvilWaterman wrote: »

Has overload an additional bar and if so , how do you set the skills in it?

Yes, you can set the bar when you activate Overload. Default is a copy of the bar which has overload as ultimate.

Thanks for the reply.

So, once activated, go into menus and then skills etc?

The Uninvited

EvilWaterman wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

EvilWaterman wrote: »

Has overload an additional bar and if so , how do you set the skills in it?

Yes, you can set the bar when you activate Overload. Default is a copy of the bar which has overload as ultimate.

Thanks for the reply.

So, once activated, go into menus and then skills etc?

Yes

Oh_Skrivva

No matter what class you choose, your gonna want to level all class skill trees to max so you can unlock and use all the passives in each. But for the sorc class skill tree you'll be using most is dark magic and storm calling. Examples of skill load outs/builds. I would recommend you looking up @Dymence build. I run a similar build to his with some slight changes. With the way I have my sorc skill bar set up. I have to maximize both bars for either single target or aoe. So I have to change skills before each boss fight for single target and switch again when I have to kill trash mobs etc in between boss fights. It's a pain to do every time but if you want to get the most dps out of a sorc you kind of have to. Atleast with the build I run.

Cuyler

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

No matter what class you choose, your gonna want to level all class skill trees to max so you can unlock and use all the passives in each. But for the sorc class skill tree you'll be using most is dark magic and storm calling. Examples of skill load outs/builds. I would recommend you looking up @Dymence build. I run a similar build to his with some slight changes. With the way I have my sorc skill bar set up. I have to maximize both bars for either single target or aoe. So I have to change skills before each boss fight for single target and switch again when I have to kill trash mobs etc in between boss fights. It's a pain to do every time but if you want to get the most dps out of a sorc you cried of have to. Atleast with the build I run.

I do this as well, but with wykkyds macros swapping skills before a fight is as easy as pushing 1 button. it's a must have for a sorc now. you'll need wyykyds outfitter for it to work as well.

Fazmerir

Cuyler wrote: »

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

(...) I would recommend you looking up @Dymence build. I run a similar build to his with some slight changes. (...)

Could you please post a link in this thread please? (can't find his build).
Thanks.

Dymence

Fazmerir wrote: »

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

(...) I would recommend you looking up @Dymence build. I run a similar build to his with some slight changes. (...)

Could you please post a link in this thread please? (can't find his build).
Thanks.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/2-0-1-endgame-pve-sorcerer-dps-petless-build-by-dymence/

Fazmerir

Thanks @Dymence . I'll take a close look into your build. Appreciated.

Love_Chunks

This is what i use for general PvE:
dual destro
Bar 1
1(Flex slot) mages wrath
2 force pulse
3 crystal fragments
4 hardened ward
5 inner light
Ult ice comet

Bar 2
1 liquid lightning
2 elemental ring
3 boundless storm
4 power surge
5 inner light
Ult energy overload.

hardened ward> boundless storm> liquid lightning on mobs> impulse. Everything dies. Although it is not optimized for high damage output, this setup works in most PvE encounters.

wormfudge

I run two different builds, dependent mostly on what Ill be encountering. An AoE build and a single target.

AoE, trash mob build (ideal two piece set would be Nier'nith? however you spell it, because those crystal hit. Hard.)

Bar one, Destro-
-Surge
-Mage light
-Ward
-Impulse, I use pulsar to proc crystals
-Streak or Bound Aegis
-Ult, meteor

Bar two, dw or twohander-
-Liquid Lightning
-mage light
-proxy detonation
-boundless storm
-mines or bound aegis

Oh_Skrivva

@Dymence does wykkids outfitter work for you still? It's been buggy for me and would always miss atleast 1 skill in the swap. So I just did it manually for now. Will try it out again because it sure is nice to change load outs with a hit of a button. Still have to give group heads up because if they enter combat while it's loading skills it will stop

Dymence

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

@Dymence does wykkids outfitter work for you still? It's been buggy for me and would always miss atleast 1 skill in the swap. So I just did it manually for now. Will try it out again because it sure is nice to change load outs with a hit of a button. Still have to give group heads up because if they enter combat while it's loading skills it will stop

I think I know which issue you are referring to. It happens exclusively to some destruction staff skills that don't get swapped in, because you need to save them rather strangely. If you save some destruction staff skills like elemental ring, it won't work if you save it while having a destro staff equipped. I assume it's because it tries to load a non existant skill from the weapon skill tree (weapon skill tree has elemental ring, if you have a fire staff it becomes fire ring) and therefore does not work. You need to equip something that is not a destro staff on the bar you want to save, slot it in and then save it. Worked for me at least.

Don't know how it is on live right now as I haven't had time to log into the orsinium patch yet. I probably won't have time until thursday evening, either.

Oh_Skrivva

@Dymence I think your probably right. Because I only use outfitter for my sorc because of the need of having both bars for either single target or aoe. Will try this out when I get on. Also, I haven't tested it personally but a guildies said dw now does more damage than 2h. Is that true? If that's the case that would help out on my theory crafting and would give me a extra bonus to sp with 2 torug. Not trying to change the topic to this thread but how do you manage to keep resources up with molag kenan set. I burn through Mana fast. Luckily most bosses go down quick enough that I can barely squeeze through. I still need to master the rotation with it. Sometimes the LA - > skill - > LA doesn't seem to proc it. But man when I nail the rotation perfectly my dps is astronomical. Sometimes I get lazy during runs and just slot Nerenith instead lol

Dymence

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

@Dymence I think your probably right. Because I only use outfitter for my sorc because of the need of having both bars for either single target or aoe. Will try this out when I get on. Also, I haven't tested it personally but a guildies said dw now does more damage than 2h. Is that true? If that's the case that would help out on my theory crafting and would give me a extra bonus to sp with 2 torug. Not trying to change the topic to this thread but how do you manage to keep resources up with molag kenan set. I burn through Mana fast. Luckily most bosses go down quick enough that I can barely squeeze through. I still need to master the rotation with it. Sometimes the LA - > skill - > LA doesn't seem to proc it. But man when I nail the rotation perfectly my dps is astronomical. Sometimes I get lazy during runs and just slot Nerenith instead lol

You need your healers to run the proper buffs such as elemental drain and siphon spirit. It's impossible without.