Why can't we have our mount attributes carry over to new characters?

Infinite12

Why do champion points carry over but mount attributes don't? Lol. Seems kind of backwards. Why do I always have to ride these sh*tty mounts every time I start a new character? I put the tie in to training my other mounts, why don't those carry over? The worst part about starting new characters, for me anyways, is the terribly slow mounts. Please can we get these mount attributes to carry over. It's not giving me any advantage, I'm not empowered by having my mount attributes carry over. Please can we get this done?

CGPsaint

This has been discussed hundreds of times, and the consensus is always that upgrading your mounts is a gold sink, and also, a brand new character should not start with a maxed out mount. Is it annoying? You bet. Are they going to change it? Probably not? I don't even bother anymore. If I happen to be near a stable, I'll upgrade, but I don't really go out of my way anymore. I already waste enough time managing my inventory and juggling research to be bothered. The bottom line is that while the game is fun, it is far from user-friendly.

Elsonso

Personal opinion is that it was a MAJOR mistake to have Champion Points apply to the account instead of just the character.

This gave a HUGE amount of power to characters that should not be receiving that power and puts characters in the leveling zones outside of the range of their peers.

At a minimum, the account-wide Champion Points should have been only for Level 50+ characters.

Now, given that you just read that, same applies to horse riding training. Big mistake to spread it across the whole account. It gives significant advantage to alternate characters in the leveling zone and moves them out of the range of their peers. All for no reason other than the player spent time doing it on one other character.

Malmai

Infinite12 wrote: »

Why do champion points carry over but mount attributes don't? Lol. Seems kind of backwards. Why do I always have to ride these sh*tty mounts every time I start a new character? I put the tie in to training my other mounts, why don't those carry over? The worst part about starting new characters, for me anyways, is the terribly slow mounts. Please can we get these mount attributes to carry over. It's not giving me any advantage, I'm not empowered by having my mount attributes carry over. Please can we get this done?

Bcs ZoS wants you to spend money on Upgrades...

Asmael

lordrichter wrote: »

Personal opinion is that it was a MAJOR mistake to have Champion Points apply to the account instead of just the character.

This gave a HUGE amount of power to characters that should not be receiving that power and puts characters in the leveling zones outside of the range of their peers.

At a minimum, the account-wide Champion Points should have been only for Level 50+ characters.

Now, given that you just read that, same applies to horse riding training. Big mistake to spread it across the whole account. It gives significant advantage to alternate characters in the leveling zone and moves them out of the range of their peers. All for no reason other than the player spent time doing it on one other character.

So... People would have to spec into 1 and only 1 character only because you're better off using 1 alt with 800 CPs instead of 4 with 200?

I could live with CPs applying only to vet chars tho.

Markaeus

I also agree with the fact that Champion Points should apply only after hitting a certain point.. or even in increments.. lets say your vet 16 has 100 champion points.. and you make a new toon.. then you have 50 levels to gain before you hit vet.. give them 1/5 of all the champion points you've gained every 20 levels.. so at level 20, you can spend 10 of those champion points.. you DID earn them after all.. and you can use them.. but not all 100 at the very start..
As far as horse training.. it kinda goes the same way.. if you DONT want small new characters to have the benefits of the work your vet 16 did in the way of Champion points, how can you justify them getting benefit off the work they did for the horse training also?
this is just my opinion and i'm sure it's not going to be shared by all.. but just my viewpoint

Elsonso

Asmael wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Personal opinion is that it was a MAJOR mistake to have Champion Points apply to the account instead of just the character.

This gave a HUGE amount of power to characters that should not be receiving that power and puts characters in the leveling zones outside of the range of their peers.

At a minimum, the account-wide Champion Points should have been only for Level 50+ characters.

Now, given that you just read that, same applies to horse riding training. Big mistake to spread it across the whole account. It gives significant advantage to alternate characters in the leveling zone and moves them out of the range of their peers. All for no reason other than the player spent time doing it on one other character.

So... People would have to spec into 1 and only 1 character only because you're better off using 1 alt with 800 CPs instead of 4 with 200?

I could live with CPs applying only to vet chars tho.

Someone else had an interesting suggestion in another thread. I am not as opposed to Champion Points across the Veterans, so cap the Level 1-49 characters at 0 (zero) and let them spend the whole 800 CPs earned (or whatever) when they hit level 50

Sithisvoid

The real answer? Because they sell mount upgrades in the crown store.

Brrrofski

Because money.

You start a new toon.

Your mount is terrible.

People buy upgrades from crown store.

Money.

Tavore1138

Infinite12 wrote: »

Why do champion points carry over but mount attributes don't? Lol. Seems kind of backwards. Why do I always have to ride these sh*tty mounts every time I start a new character? I put the tie in to training my other mounts, why don't those carry over? The worst part about starting new characters, for me anyways, is the terribly slow mounts. Please can we get these mount attributes to carry over. It's not giving me any advantage, I'm not empowered by having my mount attributes carry over. Please can we get this done?

Because you are not training your mount you are training your character to ride better. That is why even if you have 20 mounts of various kinds you only have to train your character once to be able to ride any of them at full speed rather than having to train up each and every mount.

As this is an rpg I imagine the devs thought that you might want to enjoy playing each character in turn, maybe make each one different and have different skills or traits so they failed to cater for those who want to max out everything quickly without enjoying the game play. They did supply an option to accelerate training with crowns if you are in a big rush though.

And you are empowered if you carry over your max speed and stamina horse because it will enable you to get around PvP faster and take more hits before being dismounted.

I_killed_Vivec

Why do champion points carry over but skill points don't?

And what about attribute points?

Or crafting skills?

And before you know it you'll get (and I've already heard it on the forums)...

"I've taken one character to VR16, why can't I have a VR16 template so I can try out other classes/factions without having to go through all that again?"

Gilvoth

all things should carry over on all our characters.
it would help alot and save a huge amount of problems if everything was the same on all our characters that we got done allready.
why do we have to repeat every single thing in eso constantly on all characters. its stupid in my opinion.

Spiderg1rl

I kind of get not having the full mount upgrades transfer over but a third or half would at least be a nice boost given the amount of time it takes to upgrade your horse and the amount of time already taken. I we had realised we could have made our characters months ago and been upgrading the horses when we upgraded the other one.

AlnilamE

You probably weren't here before they opened the Crown Store.

Before 1.6, mount stats were individual to the mount and you could only "feed" a mount 50 times (you could buy a mount that started with either 10 speed, 10 stamina or 10 carrying capacity).

And you could not transfer a mount to another character.

So people had different mounts for different things. You had a PvP horse with speed/stam, a "questing" horse with speed/carrying capacity and so on.

The fact that you can now train your character (and level each stat to 60), is a great improvement to how it was. This was, of course, only introduced so that people could buy the latest mount in the CS and not have to worry about leveling a new horse from level 1 again.

If you really don't want to run around with a slow horse, I recommend creating a character, then not actually playing them for 10 days and just logging in to train their skill. Although honestly, I never use a horse in the beginning areas because there is so much to loot.

pronkg

Why can't we transfer our character to our other character so we can play 2 characters at the same time!

joshisanonymous

lordrichter wrote: »

Personal opinion is that it was a MAJOR mistake to have Champion Points apply to the account instead of just the character.

This gave a HUGE amount of power to characters that should not be receiving that power and puts characters in the leveling zones outside of the range of their peers.

At a minimum, the account-wide Champion Points should have been only for Level 50+ characters.

Now, given that you just read that, same applies to horse riding training. Big mistake to spread it across the whole account. It gives significant advantage to alternate characters in the leveling zone and moves them out of the range of their peers. All for no reason other than the player spent time doing it on one other character.

Couldn't agree with this more.

I honestly don't think it matters either way with horses, though. They could just as easily be account wide or not because they give no distinct advantage to anyone, with the possible exception of travel times in Cyrodiil. Given that, I think it's more of a question of whether we envision these stats to be the horse's stats or a representation of the rider's skill. If the former, then yeah, why not just treat horses like any other inventory? If the latter, well then you're talking about that particular character's abilities, which make no sense to transfer to another character.

Spiderg1rl

I remember that but wasn't sure if that was right or I had gotten the information wrong. It's better but still a pain and given the fact the levelling works across mounts on one character. That it doesn't on other characters that is the problem. If they had made it clear we could have been levelling up mounts for new characters

Jura23

You not gonna get everything handed to you on a silver plate, deal with it.

Cogo

lordrichter wrote: »

Personal opinion is that it was a MAJOR mistake to have Champion Points apply to the account instead of just the character.

This gave a HUGE amount of power to characters that should not be receiving that power and puts characters in the leveling zones outside of the range of their peers.

At a minimum, the account-wide Champion Points should have been only for Level 50+ characters.

Now, given that you just read that, same applies to horse riding training. Big mistake to spread it across the whole account. It gives significant advantage to alternate characters in the leveling zone and moves them out of the range of their peers. All for no reason other than the player spent time doing it on one other character.

I cant stress how correct this is. Champ system is great, but should been put per char.

The request for horse stats to be global is just plain silly. Lazy even.
Don't people get that everything that makes anything EASY = lowers the quality of ESO.

You have the crown store if you HAVE to be so fast on the horse upgrades.

Jura23

Cogo wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Personal opinion is that it was a MAJOR mistake to have Champion Points apply to the account instead of just the character.

This gave a HUGE amount of power to characters that should not be receiving that power and puts characters in the leveling zones outside of the range of their peers.

At a minimum, the account-wide Champion Points should have been only for Level 50+ characters.

Now, given that you just read that, same applies to horse riding training. Big mistake to spread it across the whole account. It gives significant advantage to alternate characters in the leveling zone and moves them out of the range of their peers. All for no reason other than the player spent time doing it on one other character.

I cant stress how correct this is. Champ system is great, but should been put per char.

The request for horse stats to be global is just plain silly. Lazy even.
Don't people get that everything that makes anything EASY = lowers the quality of ESO.

You have the crown store if you HAVE to be so fast on the horse upgrades.

Account wide CP system is encouraging ppl to play alts though. And thanks to that they don't burn out so easily. When they play alts, they know they are also doing something meaningful for their main. I think that's pretty smart way to increase chance that person will stick around playing ESO for longer period of time.

Digerati

Champion points SHOULD NOT carry over into the non-vet campaign... in PvE, it's fine because who cares... but champ points in non-vet all-but kill that campaign. There's a small group of people with a *** of CP that run around in BWB with their twink characters just being completely ridiculous... It's actually easier to be a newbie in the veteran campaigns, because there's no twinks running around tanking 15+ people simultaneously... In fact, it's extremely rare that a single person can tank the damage of 2+ people for any decent period of time in the vet campaigns... unless it's a nightblade, then they just cloak and run around a tree.

Markaeus

There are many times I go into Cyrodil on my low level character and I get asked.. "Why do you have such a slow horse? Arent you feeding it?" My response is always the same "Yes I'm still questing. I feed my horse for bag space first. I"m questing and I very much dislike having to go sell loot every 10 minutes because I've got a fast horse and only 60 bag slots" SO yes.. in Cyrodil i'm the slowest in the group.. but it's part of playing how I like to play.. which, if I remember, is something that is the main idea behind this game.

Jura23

Markaeus wrote: »

There are many times I go into Cyrodil on my low level character and I get asked.. "Why do you have such a slow horse? Arent you feeding it?" My response is always the same "Yes I'm still questing. I feed my horse for bag space first. I"m questing and I very much dislike having to go sell loot every 10 minutes because I've got a fast horse and only 60 bag slots" SO yes.. in Cyrodil i'm the slowest in the group.. but it's part of playing how I like to play.. which, if I remember, is something that is the main idea behind this game.

It only makes sense to do the inventory first IMO. I did the same. Don't let these jerks bother you.

Infinite12

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Why do champion points carry over but mount attributes don't? Lol. Seems kind of backwards. Why do I always have to ride these sh*tty mounts every time I start a new character? I put the tie in to training my other mounts, why don't those carry over? The worst part about starting new characters, for me anyways, is the terribly slow mounts. Please can we get these mount attributes to carry over. It's not giving me any advantage, I'm not empowered by having my mount attributes carry over. Please can we get this done?

Because you are not training your mount you are training your character to ride better. That is why even if you have 20 mounts of various kinds you only have to train your character once to be able to ride any of them at full speed rather than having to train up each and every mount.

As this is an rpg I imagine the devs thought that you might want to enjoy playing each character in turn, maybe make each one different and have different skills or traits so they failed to cater for those who want to max out everything quickly without enjoying the game play. They did supply an option to accelerate training with crowns if you are in a big rush though.

And you are empowered if you carry over your max speed and stamina horse because it will enable you to get around PvP faster and take more hits before being dismounted.

Yeah, and? Why can't they do it like they do with the champion points. Give me the points that I've earned on my mount and let me allocate them as I see fit on my new character's mount. I don't understand why this is an issue. You really think it makes sense for me to have my (almost 200) champion points to put on my new character to make my low level character do more damage and take more damage, but NOT be able to ride around faster in pvp, or not get knocked off in one shot? It makes no sense that I get all my already earned champion points on all new characters I create but I don't get all the already earned (and actually paid for, whether it be with gold or crowns) points towards my mount? It really doesn't make sense that you get to keep 1 but not the other.

Elsonso

Infinite12 wrote: »

You really think it makes sense for me to have my (almost 200) champion points to put on my new character to make my low level character do more damage and take more damage, but NOT be able to ride around faster in pvp, or not get knocked off in one shot?

It makes no sense that you can do that with Champion Points. I am hoping that they will cap Level 1-49 so that they cannot use Champion Points until Level 50.

Infinite12

I actually have no problem with the champion points and how they work. You earned those champion points, you should get to keep them. That's why it doesn't make sense to me to not have my mounts carry over.

Tavore1138

Infinite12 wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Why do champion points carry over but mount attributes don't? Lol. Seems kind of backwards. Why do I always have to ride these sh*tty mounts every time I start a new character? I put the tie in to training my other mounts, why don't those carry over? The worst part about starting new characters, for me anyways, is the terribly slow mounts. Please can we get these mount attributes to carry over. It's not giving me any advantage, I'm not empowered by having my mount attributes carry over. Please can we get this done?

Because you are not training your mount you are training your character to ride better. That is why even if you have 20 mounts of various kinds you only have to train your character once to be able to ride any of them at full speed rather than having to train up each and every mount.

As this is an rpg I imagine the devs thought that you might want to enjoy playing each character in turn, maybe make each one different and have different skills or traits so they failed to cater for those who want to max out everything quickly without enjoying the game play. They did supply an option to accelerate training with crowns if you are in a big rush though.

And you are empowered if you carry over your max speed and stamina horse because it will enable you to get around PvP faster and take more hits before being dismounted.

Yeah, and? Why can't they do it like they do with the champion points. Give me the points that I've earned on my mount and let me allocate them as I see fit on my new character's mount. I don't understand why this is an issue. You really think it makes sense for me to have my (almost 200) champion points to put on my new character to make my low level character do more damage and take more damage, but NOT be able to ride around faster in pvp, or not get knocked off in one shot? It makes no sense that I get all my already earned champion points on all new characters I create but I don't get all the already earned (and actually paid for, whether it be with gold or crowns) points towards my mount? It really doesn't make sense that you get to keep 1 but not the other.

You have earned 0 points on your mount so I am happy for you to have those across all characters

Personally I would prefer if CP and dyes were locked per character too - but I am not some crazy fanatic so I will use the funky dyes and CP for my lower levels.

Personally I like to play each build as it's own entity so I would prefer nothing to be shared - including bank slots.

rdavis9b14_ESO

Because champion points are written in the stars and distributed to all born under the same star(account) where as the mount training is your character's work towards learning to properly care for and use their mount.

TheShadowScout

Horse training will never carry over through characters.
Fluff wise, there is no reason at all your your nooby nightblade to ride well just because your main character is a master rider.
Game wise, there is no reason for them to add riding lessions to the crown store, then make them completely obsolete.

Champion points being shared on the other hand is a good thing... it is very vexing in other games with some alternate advancement system to find yourself at the point where -as has been mentioned - you have to choose to either pick one character to concentrate on to get it haldway decent, or spread your efforts over several and have them all suck big time due to getting only a sliver of what you could be getting per plytime. The account wide champion system means all the playtime you put into your veteran-level gaming counts for ALL your characters.
That stated...
I would not mind if the whole champion system didn't unlock for your alts until they reach veteran ranks. And I am not just saying that because all my alts have already done the main story and gone over to veteran levels... (after all, if they ever sell more characters slots, I will be making more alts, I know this to be true...) That way there would be no high-cp players wiping the floor with newbies in non-veteran PvP, and the newcomers would have a bit more time to "learn to play" before finding themselves thrown into the deep waters...

Elsonso

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I would not mind if the whole champion system didn't unlock for your alts until they reach veteran ranks. And I am not just saying that because all my alts have already done the main story and gone over to veteran levels... (after all, if they ever sell more characters slots, I will be making more alts, I know this to be true...) That way there would be no high-cp players wiping the floor with newbies in non-veteran PvP, and the newcomers would have a bit more time to "learn to play" before finding themselves thrown into the deep waters...

I tested Orsinium on two accounts, one with a few CPs and one with none. At level 4, CPs make a very significant difference, in my opinion.

ZOS should cap CPs at zero for non-Vet characters.

mr_wazzabi

Infinite12 wrote: »

Why do champion points carry over but mount attributes don't? Lol. Seems kind of backwards. Why do I always have to ride these sh*tty mounts every time I start a new character? I put the tie in to training my other mounts, why don't those carry over? The worst part about starting new characters, for me anyways, is the terribly slow mounts. Please can we get these mount attributes to carry over. It's not giving me any advantage, I'm not empowered by having my mount attributes carry over. Please can we get this done?

Zos wants to sell horse upgrades for crowns. As long as the opportunity is there, they will charge money for shortcuts.