PvP Arenas?

briandivisionb16_ESO

Hey in other threads I've been told that people are happy that ESO is all about the zerg.
So how about adding some arenas for us not interested in that?

Honestly? I used to love Cyro before caps and there was a lot you could do smallscale. I do get that people (somehow!) like zergs so hey, let them keep Cyro and give us battlegrounds MOBA STYLE!!!! Woo.
Ahem.

BugCollector

Agreed.

Theodorus

I can't think of a downside to that idea. It would seem relatively simple to program in, would not require any large-scale territorial additions, and would create a whole new game-within-a-game for players who enjoy that type of combat play.

There could be a system of individual rankings and special titles, tournaments held with one-of-a-kind armor and weapons put up for prizes, even.

No zergs, no spamming multiple AoE, and if, like myself, you chose to opt out of any PvP play at all, it would have zero effect on your personal gaming experience. As opposed to Cyrodiil, which contains some things that I want but requires me to "voluntarily" subject myself to PvP in order to get them.

So, yeah, why not?

TiberX

Yup, i think most pvp-ers wold like an arena. I would

mcurley

No way!! We can't add content that will attract more players!!!! (needs sarcasm font)

The only reasons people ever give for being against this idea are that it will take development time away from everything we currently have and that it could possibly reduce the populations in Cyrodiil/IC... which are terrible reasons, but people still use them.

I have a few friends who would buy, subscribe, and play this game constantly if there was any sort of structured PvP offered.

I'd also LOVE to be able to jump in and PvP when I have a limited amount of free time. As of now, if I don't have over an hour to PvP, I just play Heros of the Storm or Dota 2... both of which I spend real money on to support development.

You hear that ZoS?? I'd give you more money if you offered structured PvP... and so would MANY other people.

HeroOfNone

Small scale is not likely, not with low turn out on interest threads where we can't capture more than 200 votes for it. Keep in mind that housing got higher numbers with less solicitation (replies like this) and when ZOS agreed to add them it was estimated 2 years out.

RAGUNAnoOne

they can just make a small group instanced dungeon that is just a small area with PvP turned on and a peace bubble at the exit. something that simple will do so why not do it?

Alucardo

I recently wrote an "I quit PvP for now" thread. This would definitely tempt me back in considering my main problem was the inability to find a decent fight.

Do it.

Fat-Larry-Makes-All

Agreed. I would also say that the cost/gain ratio is very high for this idea.

But you know, I'm not a programmer, and with all due respect, neither are you, so I can't really say how much work this would cost, how much other stuff we'd have to give up on, and ultimately if it's worth it.

mcurley

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Small scale is not likely, not with low turn out on interest threads where we can't capture more than 200 votes for it. Keep in mind that housing got higher numbers with less solicitation (replies like this) and when ZOS agreed to add them it was estimated 2 years out.

Not to mention they have literally said that structured PvP is not in any future plans as of right now.

They want to make what they're offering right now more appealing so they focus their time on that.

It seems pretty silly to not add something to the game that will attract more players and make current players happier... but it's their business so they run it how they see fit.

Alucardo

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

they can just make a small group instanced dungeon that is just a small area with PvP turned on and a peace bubble at the exit. something that simple will do so why not do it?

I don't mind this idea actually. With some fine-tuning it could be a nice solution

Reverb

Yes please. With same-faction fighting too. How great to try our builds and styles against those we fight alongside every day. And I'm sure every one of us has people within our alliance that we want to smack the crap out of sometimes.

HeroOfNone

mcurley wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Small scale is not likely, not with low turn out on interest threads where we can't capture more than 200 votes for it. Keep in mind that housing got higher numbers with less solicitation (replies like this) and when ZOS agreed to add them it was estimated 2 years out.

Not to mention they have literally said that structured PvP is not in any future plans as of right now.

They want to make what they're offering right now more appealing so they focus their time on that.

It seems pretty silly to not add something to the game that will attract more players and make current players happier... but it's their business so they run it how they see fit.

That's the thing, it wouldn'tmake the current player base happy, look at the numbers and the links provided, small scale PVP threads rarely get the support they need to sustain. I'm surprised at the out turning I had, but had to bump and advertise it on my own. The issue isn't with ZOS though, it's convincing the community, either convert PVE players or get more PVP folks to post.

Xjcon

Just think how many people it would bring to this game. Sadly they don't have plans for it in the near future.

Nijjion

Arenas will only work if they do it for competitive guilds/groups only.

No random arenas/matchups please... they are cancer to games... just look at LoL and new CSGO random matchups. GW2 has 2 PvP communities that is really annoying imo... and I think Zenimax doesn't want to do that within ESO.

So if they have to be implemented just create competitive organised GvG arenas like in GW1 where you have to accept a matchup.

I find it fun that my possible 1 on 1s are in a open area and anyone can ruin it... that's the fun of RvR system. Though I am a oldschool player and seems like gamers mentality has changed a lot since DAoC days.

Chieve

Id like one

mcurley

HeroOfNone wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Small scale is not likely, not with low turn out on interest threads where we can't capture more than 200 votes for it. Keep in mind that housing got higher numbers with less solicitation (replies like this) and when ZOS agreed to add them it was estimated 2 years out.

Not to mention they have literally said that structured PvP is not in any future plans as of right now.

They want to make what they're offering right now more appealing so they focus their time on that.

It seems pretty silly to not add something to the game that will attract more players and make current players happier... but it's their business so they run it how they see fit.

That's the thing, it wouldn'tmake the current player base happy, look at the numbers and the links provided, small scale PVP threads rarely get the support they need to sustain. I'm surprised at the out turning I had, but had to bump and advertise it on my own. The issue isn't with ZOS though, it's convincing the community, either convert PVE players or get more PVP folks to post.

I assume you have read through the responses to this poll and can clearly see that my original post is 100% accurate. The only people saying they are against it are arguing that they want the current pvp to be fixed (development time) or that they don't want to bleed the Cyrodiil/IC population.

It should also be noted that even with all the negative-nancys on these forums, your poll still shows at least 64% of the voters are in favor of some form of structured pvp.... not to mention a lot of them were saying the poll wasn't done well enough for them to vote accurately.

Also, keep in mind that this would attract more PvP players to the game... way more than would leave because of it (I doubt anyone would leave solely because of an implementation of structured PvP).

joshisanonymous

No.

Cogo

Not again..

No.

Gern_Verkheart

I wan't battlegrounds, but MOBA style? No, no no no noooooo NO!

MOBA's are the cancer of the gaming world.

mcurley

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

MOBA STYLE!!!! Woo.
Ahem.

Woah, didn't even read this my first time through. MOBA style I can't agree with. I don't want PvE mixed into my PvP in this game too, lol.

There are plenty of ways to implement structured PvP without the need to kill towers/bases

Gern_Verkheart

mcurley wrote: »

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

MOBA STYLE!!!! Woo.
Ahem.

Woah, didn't even read this my first time through. MOBA style I can't agree with. I don't want PvE mixed into my PvP in this game too, lol.

There are plenty of ways to implement structured PvP without the need to kill towers/bases

The "Capture the Point" objective is my favorite. There are multiple circles around a map, at least one person has to stand in a circle for a few seconds, with no one of the opposing team in it, in order to capture the point. Each capture point awards a set amount of score points every few seconds. The team that can control more points for the longest amount of time wins.

Atmosfear

Everything has be said in this thread, but I just want to keep this thread up ! I want this so bad !

HeroOfNone

mcurley wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Small scale is not likely, not with low turn out on interest threads where we can't capture more than 200 votes for it. Keep in mind that housing got higher numbers with less solicitation (replies like this) and when ZOS agreed to add them it was estimated 2 years out.

Not to mention they have literally said that structured PvP is not in any future plans as of right now.

They want to make what they're offering right now more appealing so they focus their time on that.

It seems pretty silly to not add something to the game that will attract more players and make current players happier... but it's their business so they run it how they see fit.

That's the thing, it wouldn'tmake the current player base happy, look at the numbers and the links provided, small scale PVP threads rarely get the support they need to sustain. I'm surprised at the out turning I had, but had to bump and advertise it on my own. The issue isn't with ZOS though, it's convincing the community, either convert PVE players or get more PVP folks to post.

I assume you have read through the responses to this poll and can clearly see that my original post is 100% accurate. The only people saying they are against it are arguing that they want the current pvp to be fixed (development time) or that they don't want to bleed the Cyrodiil/IC population.

It should also be noted that even with all the negative-nancys on these forums, your poll still shows at least 64% of the voters are in favor of some form of structured pvp.... not to mention a lot of them were saying the poll wasn't done well enough for them to vote accurately.

Also, keep in mind that this would attract more PvP players to the game... way more than would leave because of it (I doubt anyone would leave solely because of an implementation of structured PvP).

The opposition is mainly folks that don't want priorities taken away from what they like, such as PVE, Cyrodiil, etc. Ignoring those factors, we still have a SMALL number of folks actively requesting small scale. When people ask why ZOS hasn't done it yet, that's the reason, it has a lot interest compared to giving out new zones, dungeons, and other content.

And I don't feel I'm being negative, but telling folks to refocus their efforts from convincing ZOS and focus on getting the community to tespond. It's something I brindle to the attention to twitch viewer, forum readers, and others. The post is positive in its the largest support for small scale PVP I've seen to date.

But it seems the message about getting more to post, more to vote, contact your PVP guild mates to come post, etc. has still fallen on deaf ears. I can only bump my own posts so much before devs time out my account.

As for pulling in new players, thats hard to say, but if we can't sell it internally then it would seem risky to sell it externally without some kind of numbers. This is why I focus on the numbers of the big posts, THAT is what draws the attention of manager and other players, not the number of new posts about arenas we have pop up day to day. And that, again, comes to getting more of the community to post...

MrGrimey

PVEers like to Zerg in PvP

PvPers like even fights and structure without the lag caused by zerg groups

A simple arena where PvPers can enjoy the game would be an amazing addition. Someone should let ZOS know, lol

Atmosfear

The more important thing in this PvP arena in my opinion is that it would add to the game a content which can be "streamed", watched, and would attract a looooooooooooooooooooooooot of people to the game.

mrdankles

Because ZOS is like every other company. Don't care what the players want because you'll still pay for crowns and all that other stuff. They still gonna get paid either way.

Atmosfear

mrdankles wrote: »

Because ZOS is like every other company. Don't care what the players want because you'll still pay for crowns and all that other stuff. They still gonna get paid either way.

That's so wrong, they do know they need content which can be seen on Youtube, Twitch or whatever. They are even asking us to post videos so .. ^^

And they are listening to the community, they just can't do whatever we please.

HeroOfNone

mrdankles wrote: »

Because ZOS is like every other company. Don't care what the players want because you'll still pay for crowns and all that other stuff. They still gonna get paid either way.

Again, they care, it's just not enough community support for the idea now. Look at housing, 250+ votes for it to get ZOS to say they are going to work on it as low priority over 2 years. Figure if we want something entirely new to be put up on a moderate or high priority that ir may need 2 to 3 times the vote (500 to 750).

Stop blaming the ZOS for not listening, realize we're not the majority, we need to be marketing this to the community

Atmosfear

HeroOfNone wrote: »

mrdankles wrote: »

Because ZOS is like every other company. Don't care what the players want because you'll still pay for crowns and all that other stuff. They still gonna get paid either way.

Again, they care, it's just not enough community support for the idea now. Look at housing, 250+ votes for it to get ZOS to say they are going to work on it as low priority over 2 years. Figure if we want something entirely new to be put up on a moderate or high priority that ir may need 2 to 3 times the vote (500 to 750).

Stop blaming the ZOS for not listening, realize we're not the majority, we need to be marketing this to the community

Totally agreed

Korah_Eaglecry

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Small scale is not likely, not with low turn out on interest threads where we can't capture more than 200 votes for it. Keep in mind that housing got higher numbers with less solicitation (replies like this) and when ZOS agreed to add them it was estimated 2 years out.

Yeah Console Chat Box threads got far more turn out then that and we all know how ZOS has responded to that. Thats right. Crickets.

If they can implement it. Im sure it would draw a larger PvP Pop to the game. But I cant imagine that its anywhere on the shortlist for ZOS without knowing that it wont be a financial flop.