Priority Queue for PLUS Members

Mephiston87

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Someone is cranky,
Ultimately the flaw is in the game design. Sure there is a maximum cap of players per server about 600 per faction, BUT Nowhere in the game is there a Mechanic to make the numbers fair. Every game i have played online there has been equal players on each side(not including DC's). If the game was made more fair, with each faction requiring equal numbers online at the same time, i'm certain none of the servers would ever be full. All of them would be medium or 3/4 majority of the time not just 2 servers full, 6 empty. No one wants to go into the empty servers... because they are empty.

Giving ESO+ members a back rub and more entitlements would simply be a bandaid on a serious problem, Sure they would get in faster but the majority of the world would see increased wait times. So people will leave/quit.

Nothing requested was an entitlement.

1.ESO Plus is a paid subscription.
2. The entire community benefits from paid subscribers.
3. If priority queue adds enough subscribers, perhaps the server environment would benefit from more funding to improve current Population caps.

The flaw is in the game design. It's in the low population caps. And pop caps do tell us how many members of each Alliance are allowed in the campaign at one time. ESO Plus members should be at the front of the queue.

population caps can't be improved, atleast not without the entire world upgrading they're PC's. Paid subscribers are a double edged sword, generally its a good thing for a game obviously. But like at release where for a full year we all paid a subscription to alpha test they're game, people get angry and leave. For the most part ESO has the content for the PVPers and enough content for PVEers, they however do not have enough players. Focusing more on the ESO+ crowd would be a bad business decision, non ESO+ players still generally buy from the crown store at some point they also have to buy the game and the DLC's. is it better to get $20 a month (for an unknown length of time) or a large $120+ single payment? most people leave well before the 6 month mark.

simply put basic players are far more valuable then ESO+ members. why make the severe minority happy and annoy the majority who still payed? Its all business in the end.

Pangnirtung

StihlReign wrote: »

Zos should enable PvP Priority queue for All Plus members.

Priority Queue should also apply to Guilds so long as each member being ported in is an ESO Plus member.

NOT. Where do you draw the line on what a subscription gets you?

I think it is fine the way it is now.

StihlReign

Mephiston87 wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Someone is cranky,
Ultimately the flaw is in the game design. Sure there is a maximum cap of players per server about 600 per faction, BUT Nowhere in the game is there a Mechanic to make the numbers fair. Every game i have played online there has been equal players on each side(not including DC's). If the game was made more fair, with each faction requiring equal numbers online at the same time, i'm certain none of the servers would ever be full. All of them would be medium or 3/4 majority of the time not just 2 servers full, 6 empty. No one wants to go into the empty servers... because they are empty.

Giving ESO+ members a back rub and more entitlements would simply be a bandaid on a serious problem, Sure they would get in faster but the majority of the world would see increased wait times. So people will leave/quit.

Nothing requested was an entitlement.

1.ESO Plus is a paid subscription.
2. The entire community benefits from paid subscribers.
3. If priority queue adds enough subscribers, perhaps the server environment would benefit from more funding to improve current Population caps.

The flaw is in the game design. It's in the low population caps. And pop caps do tell us how many members of each Alliance are allowed in the campaign at one time. ESO Plus members should be at the front of the queue.

population caps can't be improved, atleast not without the entire world upgrading they're PC's.

Yes they can. Your PC doesn't determine server performance and so long as you meet the minimum requirement set by the game designers and engineers you should be able to play.

StihlReign

Mephiston87 wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Someone is cranky,
Ultimately the flaw is in the game design. Sure there is a maximum cap of players per server about 600 per faction, BUT Nowhere in the game is there a Mechanic to make the numbers fair. Every game i have played online there has been equal players on each side(not including DC's). If the game was made more fair, with each faction requiring equal numbers online at the same time, i'm certain none of the servers would ever be full. All of them would be medium or 3/4 majority of the time not just 2 servers full, 6 empty. No one wants to go into the empty servers... because they are empty.

Giving ESO+ members a back rub and more entitlements would simply be a bandaid on a serious problem, Sure they would get in faster but the majority of the world would see increased wait times. So people will leave/quit.

Nothing requested was an entitlement.

1.ESO Plus is a paid subscription.
2. The entire community benefits from paid subscribers.
3. If priority queue adds enough subscribers, perhaps the server environment would benefit from more funding to improve current Population caps.

The flaw is in the game design. It's in the low population caps. And pop caps do tell us how many members of each Alliance are allowed in the campaign at one time. ESO Plus members should be at the front of the queue.

simply put basic players are far more valuable then ESO+ members. why make the severe minority happy and annoy the majority who still payed? Its all business in the end.

Mathematically, no. A subscription model is much more valuable to a business (Any Business) and without a strong subscriber base, businesses constantly pursue buyers to turn them into loyal repeat paying customers (subscribers).

StihlReign

Pangnirtung wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

Zos should enable PvP Priority queue for All Plus members.

Priority Queue should also apply to Guilds so long as each member being ported in is an ESO Plus member.

NOT. Where do you draw the line on what a subscription gets you?

I think it is fine the way it is now.

You draw the line in whatever you want to offer in a subscription package.

There is no line in what a business could or should be willing to offer it's customers in a subscription model.

The customer determines value by whether they're willing to pay based on whatever else they see in the market and perceived value.

daroule1982

I don't agree with the thought of a priority list, but rather a timeout policy. There are so many people that go afk. The solution to eliminate non-active players over a "elitist" policy. Now, that would be a great win. I call for a 10 minute timeout on afk's. 15 minutes would be extra generous.

StihlReign

shredmeister1982 wrote: »

I don't agree with the thought of a priority list, but rather a timeout policy. There are so many people that go afk. The solution to eliminate non-active players over a "elitist" policy. Now, that would be a great win. I call for a 10 minute timeout on afk's. 15 minutes would be extra generous.

Why are the Crown Store and ESO Plus considered "elitist"?

Is the EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION OF DIGITAL CONTENT considered "elitist" as well?

Mephiston87

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Someone is cranky,
Ultimately the flaw is in the game design. Sure there is a maximum cap of players per server about 600 per faction, BUT Nowhere in the game is there a Mechanic to make the numbers fair. Every game i have played online there has been equal players on each side(not including DC's). If the game was made more fair, with each faction requiring equal numbers online at the same time, i'm certain none of the servers would ever be full. All of them would be medium or 3/4 majority of the time not just 2 servers full, 6 empty. No one wants to go into the empty servers... because they are empty.

Giving ESO+ members a back rub and more entitlements would simply be a bandaid on a serious problem, Sure they would get in faster but the majority of the world would see increased wait times. So people will leave/quit.

Nothing requested was an entitlement.

1.ESO Plus is a paid subscription.
2. The entire community benefits from paid subscribers.
3. If priority queue adds enough subscribers, perhaps the server environment would benefit from more funding to improve current Population caps.

The flaw is in the game design. It's in the low population caps. And pop caps do tell us how many members of each Alliance are allowed in the campaign at one time. ESO Plus members should be at the front of the queue.

population caps can't be improved, atleast not without the entire world upgrading they're PC's.

Yes they can. Your PC doesn't determine server performance and so long as you meet the minimum requirement set by the game designers and engineers you should be able to play.

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Someone is cranky,
Ultimately the flaw is in the game design. Sure there is a maximum cap of players per server about 600 per faction, BUT Nowhere in the game is there a Mechanic to make the numbers fair. Every game i have played online there has been equal players on each side(not including DC's). If the game was made more fair, with each faction requiring equal numbers online at the same time, i'm certain none of the servers would ever be full. All of them would be medium or 3/4 majority of the time not just 2 servers full, 6 empty. No one wants to go into the empty servers... because they are empty.

Giving ESO+ members a back rub and more entitlements would simply be a bandaid on a serious problem, Sure they would get in faster but the majority of the world would see increased wait times. So people will leave/quit.

Nothing requested was an entitlement.

1.ESO Plus is a paid subscription.
2. The entire community benefits from paid subscribers.
3. If priority queue adds enough subscribers, perhaps the server environment would benefit from more funding to improve current Population caps.

The flaw is in the game design. It's in the low population caps. And pop caps do tell us how many members of each Alliance are allowed in the campaign at one time. ESO Plus members should be at the front of the queue.

simply put basic players are far more valuable then ESO+ members. why make the severe minority happy and annoy the majority who still payed? Its all business in the end.

Mathematically, no. A subscription model is much more valuable to a business (Any Business) and without a strong subscriber base, businesses constantly pursue buyers to turn them into loyal repeat paying customers (subscribers).

Your PC can only render so many players, VRAM fills up very quickly, i have a very good enthusiast grade PC. I am certain if you got the entire 2000 players in one spot on my screen the game would crash(or they just would not display). This game has no strong subscriber base, and the only way to get a strong subscriber base is to get more non subscribers, alot more.

mattlarsonmdl_ESO

StihlReign wrote: »

shredmeister1982 wrote: »

I don't agree with the thought of a priority list, but rather a timeout policy. There are so many people that go afk. The solution to eliminate non-active players over a "elitist" policy. Now, that would be a great win. I call for a 10 minute timeout on afk's. 15 minutes would be extra generous.

Why are the Crown Store and ESO Plus considered "elitist"?

Is the EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION OF DIGITAL CONTENT considered "elitist" as well?

It isn't elitist. The people claiming so are idiots, and probably are teenagers that don't understand how the business world works.
Airlines do this all the time. First class, paid baggage check in, priority seating.. All extra perks you get for paying more $$$..
Pretty much any other industry as well..

The problem is entitled morons don't get that ZOS needs to create a demand for the paid services, by offering attractive benefits.. Other wise they will lose $$ and the game will cease to exist.

But when you are an entitled MMO player, its all about you, and you just everything for free, and then jumps to the next game when the current one failed due to cheapskates not paying for it.

daroule1982

StihlReign wrote: »

shredmeister1982 wrote: »

I don't agree with the thought of a priority list, but rather a timeout policy. There are so many people that go afk. The solution to eliminate non-active players over a "elitist" policy. Now, that would be a great win. I call for a 10 minute timeout on afk's. 15 minutes would be extra generous.

Why are the Crown Store and ESO Plus considered "elitist"?

Is the EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION OF DIGITAL CONTENT considered "elitist" as well?

Did I say that? No, I said an elitist policy. A priority list is what I consider to be an elitist method of going about "pick and choose" Should not be based on money, but the amount of activity a player put into the campaign effort.

StihlReign

shredmeister1982 wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

shredmeister1982 wrote: »

I don't agree with the thought of a priority list, but rather a timeout policy. There are so many people that go afk. The solution to eliminate non-active players over a "elitist" policy. Now, that would be a great win. I call for a 10 minute timeout on afk's. 15 minutes would be extra generous.

Why are the Crown Store and ESO Plus considered "elitist"?

Is the EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION OF DIGITAL CONTENT considered "elitist" as well?

Did I say that? No, I said an elitist policy. A priority list is what I consider to be an elitist method of going about "pick and choose" Should not be based on money, but the amount of activity a player put into the campaign effort.

I don't care about effort in the campaign. I doubt Zos does either. Have you seen my posts on the crappy Gold rewards they continue to give me?

Now a priority queue? That's value. It's something players would be willing to PAY for.

Just like the First class seating another poster mentioned, value added options would benefit the entire player base. In fact the general public is accustomed to this model - it's everywhere and in every product we order and ultimately decide to buy.

I love first class seating btw.

Valen_Byte

As a subscriber, No dude.....back of the line like everyone else.

Garwulf

Extra sauce on a bad meal is still just more sauce not a better meal. Priority queue is just more sauce.

Paying to get into a Cyrodiil priority queue is definitely something I would not do. Paying a subscription for really decent content is another thing.
I was a willing subscriber for long enought to get the Senche reward. In fact I subscribed right through to the point it was not necessary to do so anymore.If ZoS had not broken their promises for decent content I would still be a subscriber.
We all seem to want to complain about companies like Apple but they know how to make money by creating desire for their products. ESO was seemingly created by the exact opposite philosophy.

StihlReign

Garwulf wrote: »

Extra sauce on a bad meal is still just more sauce not a better meal. Priority queue is just more sauce.

Paying to get into a Cyrodiil priority queue is definitely something I would not do. Paying a subscription for really decent content is another thing.
I was a willing subscriber for long enought to get the Senche reward. In fact I subscribed right through to the point it was not necessary to do so anymore.If ZoS had not broken their promises for decent content I would still be a subscriber.
We all seem to want to complain about companies like Apple but they know how to make money by creating desire for their products. ESO was seemingly created by the exact opposite philosophy.

I don't complain about Apple. They made decent products for a while, now Google and Samsung make better products and Apple buys from Samsung.

Priority queue would simply be an added benefit to those willing to pay for it. Some players love questing, others use it to hit level cap so they can continue to PvP at the highest level.

Priority queue is no different than the other additional benefits players receive from the ESO Plus membership or the Crown store — You don't want them, don't buy 'em.

If you want to drive a car without power windows, so be it. I'm never rolling up another window because I don't mind paying for value added amenities for the products I enjoy.