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How To Fix Cloak For Everyone
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DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
This is not fair at all and your suggestion hasn't taken skill balance into account. Leave cloak alone.
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DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
if that happens, stamblades will not be able to effectively use cloak. its manablades spamming cloak, not stamblades. do not punish stamblades for something a mana blade does. I personally like the OPs fix; I myself don't think cloak needs any "fix" but as long as I can still use it with a stamblade I can live with the change. I have played in worse scenarios.
That doesn't matter. They chose a STAMINA build. Our stamina sorcerers still have to deal with the Streak nerf.1 -
DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
yea lets make cloack that useless that even the last solo pvp players will quit or join brain afk zerg groups. good idea.
If anti-zerg speeches and solo PvP is the most important thing, than why did 99.99% of the NB community support and push for the Streak nerf and also Shield Breaker spam? That's exactly why sorcs cant effective solo PvP these days.
I dunno, until I see NB's supporting changes that allows templars and DK's to start solo roaming again like back in 1.5, I wont shed a tear when Cloaks gets nerfed.
what? I do not recall seeing "99.99% of the NB community supporting a streak nerf" I know because I was playing in those times. In fact I, a long time NB, vocally OPPOSED the streak nerf, and would support it being returned to its former glory. and 99.99% of NBs supporting shield breaker spam? What? either I am the .01% or you are WAY overgeneralizing:/
"until I see NBs supporting changes to templars and DKs via soloing I won't shed a tear when cloak gets nerfed" I am currently playing a mana Dk and trying to find ways to be effective in small group battles/1v1s:/ Maybe if you would take the time to see past your blind hate you would realize that not all NBs want nerfs for everything but NB. Until you realize this, I won't shed a tear when you come to the forums complaining about how a NB killed you.
Edited by Cody on October 29, 2015 12:41AM0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.PS4 Pro NA0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
This is not fair at all and your suggestion hasn't taken skill balance into account. Leave cloak alone.
Hang on while I reflect on the gutting of sorc port and then lol at this post.
"Gutting of the sorc?"
Are you f'ing serious?
And if you are, you think gutting NB's is a reasonable way to balance things?No magicka regen while cloaked is a far better solution (and that will actually be implemented).
While your design is intriguing, in practice it may not work as well as you hope. NB'S would just stack enough regen to perma cloak through the mag cost.
If they had to stack that much regen they would have no burst, but I guess that's your whole point isn't it? You whiney sorcs are the worst, git gud like the many skilled sorcs who aren't on here crying about NB's. Your problem is with Stamina burst damage, and if it isn't then you got bigger issues than merely gitting gud. Maybe try playing with both hands or take off the blindfold?
I play a stam sorc and routinely wreck house. Play something else besides a nightblade and learn what good means.
My problem was never with nightblade damage. I think its a little high, maybe could be lowered, but they aren't any more or less bursty than any other class. Hell I can two shot people from stealth it isn't special.
Right now any class can stack magicka regen and burst and be effective at both so your theory kind of goes out the window.
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DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty0 -
Barlthump✭✭✭Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
Classic whine QQ of a sorc, I got nerf ed to balance the game? Now everyone needs a nerf so I can be OP again. Streak is a 100% escape skill which can't be countered. While cloak has a chance of escape. Why not just slot an impulse or magelight on your bar and watch how nightblades from cloak run away? Oh wait you wanna run that pure single target build on both bars so you can be OP right? It's alright, I understand. When this nerf hits stam blades are all going to just die off slowly in PvP. Or maybe not cause we will get better as compared to Sorcs like you.
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Barlthump✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
yea lets make cloack that useless that even the last solo pvp players will quit or join brain afk zerg groups. good idea.
Wow really? Don't be a crybaby. Sorcs were still able to spam Streak with that. Sounds like you're one of those guys i face who spends 95% of the time in cloak healing while i stand there waiting for you to unpause the game.
Yeah cause a magicka class being able to spam streak is so hard to fathom. This cloak nerf doesn't affect magicka nightblades. It only kills stamina nightblades. I have a suggestion let the cloak nerf hit but please make a stamina morph for skills like strife so we get some form of self sustain.
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WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
This is not fair at all and your suggestion hasn't taken skill balance into account. Leave cloak alone.
Hang on while I reflect on the gutting of sorc port and then lol at this post.
"Gutting of the sorc?"
Are you f'ing serious?
And if you are, you think gutting NB's is a reasonable way to balance things?No magicka regen while cloaked is a far better solution (and that will actually be implemented).
While your design is intriguing, in practice it may not work as well as you hope. NB'S would just stack enough regen to perma cloak through the mag cost.
If they had to stack that much regen they would have no burst, but I guess that's your whole point isn't it? You whiney sorcs are the worst, git gud like the many skilled sorcs who aren't on here crying about NB's. Your problem is with Stamina burst damage, and if it isn't then you got bigger issues than merely gitting gud. Maybe try playing with both hands or take off the blindfold?
I play a stam sorc and routinely wreck house. Play something else besides a nightblade and learn what good means.
My problem was never with nightblade damage. I think its a little high, maybe could be lowered, but they aren't any more or less bursty than any other class. Hell I can two shot people from stealth it isn't special.
Right now any class can stack magicka regen and burst and be effective at both so your theory kind of goes out the window.
Also please reread my original post since you are missing the critical next word in the sentence.
I got a v16 DK, NB, and Stamina Sorc and a v1 Templar, don't need to be told to play something else or to learn to get good.
Sure, you can reach 2kish magicka regen while retaining burst, but how will this work if Cloak gets the Bolt Escape treatment? The way Cloak has to be spammed no amount of regen will allow mageblades to overcome such a nerf, it will kill their resource management. Halting regen while in Cloak would be just as bad.
As a stam sorc you can have caltrops on an overload bar so it doesn't even interfere with your damage rotation or survival skills, caltrops is a very effective counter for Cloak, and it is plenty useful otherwise.
Anyway, I'll let you get back to "wrecking house" and calling for nerfs on the forums. I find that those 2 things rarely go hand in hand however.Edited by WreckfulAbandon on October 29, 2015 1:38AMPC NA
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DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
If they change Cloak that it can do damage, it can stun, and it can instantly teleport me 30m away... Then yes, give cloak the Bolt treatment.Siblings-in-Prison
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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
yea lets make cloack that useless that even the last solo pvp players will quit or join brain afk zerg groups. good idea.
Wow really? Don't be a crybaby. Sorcs were still able to spam Streak with that. Sounds like you're one of those guys i face who spends 95% of the time in cloak healing while i stand there waiting for you to unpause the game.
No Nightblade besides me can heal just from being in stealth. I wear 5 Shadow Walker (maxed at VR14) which grants 2k health and stamina 1k in PvP when in stealth or in cloak and NOT moving. As a stamina build to run that set and use in more then three times I had to chance my two Heavy armor for to Light. Plus 14% magic cost reduction in the CP, with magic and stamina drinks
Cloak in really very useable on stamina Nightblades unless you stack magic cost reductions. Just like I do on my Stamina Sorcerer 2l 5m 14% magic cost reduction with magic and stamina drinks. Streak, Lighting Form (sprint for four seconds) streak again you will never catch me. Even with a gap closer one stun from my streak and running will quickly put me out of your range.
Stamina builds can use magic if you wanted to but most don't cause they shouldn't have to. Stamina should work without the use of magic.Edited by kendellking_chaosb14_ESO on October 29, 2015 2:06AMChaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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Angarato✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »I'll probably get a lot of hate for it but I'll go ahead.
I don't think NB's cloak needs to be nerfed, I'd also like to point out that NBs have other options available, such as Shadow image, and that nerfing cloak would probably not stop NBs.
@KenaPKK made a good point: Cloak on its own is unreliable, unlike bolt escape. Actually, I didn't mind the nerf to escape bolt, because I thought the increased cost was already stackable (I had Kassadin from LoL in mind). However, detect pots could have their duration increased by a few seconds.
Might as well see a buff to DKs and Temps instead of a nerf, magicka NBs are, in my opinion, actually quite balanced, and they'd be the first to suffer from this change, instead of stam NBs.
Things need to happen, like the star of the CP system giving reduction to DoTs should probably be replaced by reduced physical damage taken, which would balance stam VS magicka more, while also making DoTs more viable.
Had I to tweak NBs, I'd probably fix the number of DoTs purged by Dark Cloak from 1/2/3/4 to 2 at all ranks, increase the magicka cost of Strife by 50%, while reducing the cost of Concealed Weapon (not Surprise Attack) by 25%.
Surprise attack should lose the armor debuff.
Vigor should pop NB's out of Cloak/stealth.
Wrecking Blow should lose sneak attack bonus damage.
Problem solved.
Edit: And either change the tooltip for Green Dragon Blood in Cyrodiil or make it actually heal 33% of missing health. Magic DK's can't permablock-cast in Cyrodiil anymore, so why take away their burst heal too?
if you want suprise attack armor debuff remove than give us the stealth speed from concealed. i get my major breach from piercing mark anyway0 -
Angarato✭✭✭to all the stupid sorcs in this thread. streak isnt cloak. cloak doesnt stun cloak doesnt do damage and cloak can fail under alot of circumstances. streak is guaranteed getaway and the best movement ability in game. nobody can catch up with you if you want to run. if you want cloak to get the same treatment as streak than give it an aoe stun with damage and remove all counters.
you can use a potion to completely *** my cloak. give me a potion that prevents your streak from moving you. give us defensive ability like revealing flare. call it "heavy" that prevents you from streaking, make caltrops stop your streak or any aoe for that matter.
that would be fair. right? #sorclogic
Edited by Angarato on October 29, 2015 2:25AM1 -
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✭to all the stupid sorcs in this thread. streak isnt cloak. cloak doesnt stun cloak doesnt do damage and cloak can fail under alot of circumstances. streak is guaranteed getaway and the best movement ability in game. nobody can catch up with you if you want to run. if you want cloak to get the same treatment as streak than give it an aoe stun with damage and remove all counters.
that would be fair. right? #sorclogic
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Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty
Being able to only cloak a few times in a row needs a penalty?PS4 Pro NA0 -
DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty
Being able to only cloak a few times in a row needs a penalty?
My sorc was able to streak 15-20 times in a row. If you need more cloaks than that in a row then there's something wrong with your play style to begin with...0 -
WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭[DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty
Being able to only cloak a few times in a row needs a penalty?
My sorc was able to streak 15-20 times in a row. If you need more cloaks than that in a row then there's something wrong with your play style to begin with...
If you need to streak 15-20 times in a row maybe you should think about why you need to run away so damn muchPC NA
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Angarato✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »See what I'm saying? This community is filled with pure NBs
wow good counter arguement bro. must be really strange that theres alot of nbs in a post about our ability. so strangeEdited by Angarato on October 29, 2015 2:40AM0 -
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✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »[DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty
Being able to only cloak a few times in a row needs a penalty?
My sorc was able to streak 15-20 times in a row. If you need more cloaks than that in a row then there's something wrong with your play style to begin with...
If you need to streak 15-20 times in a row maybe you should think about why you need to run away so damn much
When did i say i need that many? I'm doing ok with the 5-7 streaks i've been nerfed down to, i use them offensively. Next question please.0 -
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✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »See what I'm saying? This community is filled with pure NBs
wow good counter arguement bro. must be really strange that theres alot of nbs in a post about our ability. so strange
Yeah, by single individuals. Now read the actual threads, and they're filled with dozens of NBs protecting their precious pause button. this thread for starters...Edited by DannyLV702 on October 29, 2015 2:43AM0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty
Being able to only cloak a few times in a row needs a penalty?
My sorc was able to streak 15-20 times in a row. If you need more cloaks than that in a row then there's something wrong with your play style to begin with...
Stamblades can only cloak a few times, and their play style is just fine. Most Stamblades don't have any points in magicka, because they are a stamina build and hybrid builds don't work well. Maybe the penalty you seek should only apply to builds that have invested points into magicka?PS4 Pro NA0 -
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✭✭Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
Classic whine QQ of a sorc, I got nerf ed to balance the game? Now everyone needs a nerf so I can be OP again. Streak is a 100% escape skill which can't be countered. While cloak has a chance of escape. Why not just slot an impulse or magelight on your bar and watch how nightblades from cloak run away? Oh wait you wanna run that pure single target build on both bars so you can be OP right? It's alright, I understand. When this nerf hits stam blades are all going to just die off slowly in PvP. Or maybe not cause we will get better as compared to Sorcs like you.
You're one of those NBs who has never even touched one of these "counters", yet you speak about them lol0 -
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✭✭I got way off track. I don't even want a nerf for cloak. I want a reliable counterDannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Let me get this straight.
The escspe ability from sorc , streak. Everyone QQed so it got nerfed and now they say its fine now.
The escape ability from nightblade, cloak. Way more OP and annoying than streak was before the nerf and people say no its fine dont touch it or i will quit the game.
Uhm?
THIS. And the reason they will win, is because the majority of players are NBs. It's not hard to figure out that being invisible is a really comfortable place to be. But with stealth being probably the most important thing in pvp, it's ridiculous
NB is a class that is supposed to rely on stealth and evasion. It is what it was designed to be. The description for NB on the TESO site even says - "Combine deadly mastery of stealth with insidious siphoning and shadow magic to eliminate your marks with ruthless efficiency. "
You guys want the class to be something other than what it is.
I don't want to take away your cloak. you'll still have it, and still be able to spam it with my idea of a "nerf". Just because you're supposed to be evasive, doesn't mean you should be able to be invisible without penalty
Being able to only cloak a few times in a row needs a penalty?
My sorc was able to streak 15-20 times in a row. If you need more cloaks than that in a row then there's something wrong with your play style to begin with...
Stamblades can only cloak a few times, and their play style is just fine. Most Stamblades don't have any points in magicka, because they are a stamina build and hybrid builds don't work well. Maybe the penalty you seek should only apply to builds that have invested points into magicka?
I don't want to nerf anyone. I want a useful counter.0 -
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✭rDannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »See what I'm saying? This community is filled with pure NBs
wow good counter arguement bro. must be really strange that theres alot of nbs in a post about our ability. so strange
Yeah, by single individuals. Now read the actual threads, and they're filled with dozens of NBs protecting their precious pause button. this thread for starters...
See even I can admit that Cloak is more than a mere pause button in the right hands. That's why I detailed several different ways of weakening the very strong synergies between Cloak and certain skills: Vigor, WB, Surprise Attack.
I'm trying to help ppl get instagibbed less by offering solutions that don't remove a class's only defensive ability.
Cause if that happened, NB's would die even quicker than they do now. Which (I guess I have to add) is pretty damn quick.PC NA
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✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »rDannyLV702 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »See what I'm saying? This community is filled with pure NBs
wow good counter arguement bro. must be really strange that theres alot of nbs in a post about our ability. so strange
Yeah, by single individuals. Now read the actual threads, and they're filled with dozens of NBs protecting their precious pause button. this thread for starters...
See even I can admit that Cloak is more than a mere pause button in the right hands. That's why I detailed several different ways of weakening the very strong synergies between Cloak and certain skills: Vigor, WB, Surprise Attack.
I'm trying to help ppl get instagibbed less by offering solutions that don't remove a class's only defensive ability.
Cause if that happened, NB's would die even quicker than they do now. Which (I guess I have to add) is pretty damn quick.
I agree with this. Something small is all that's needed really.0 -
Senaxu✭✭✭Well i play sorc. and i think the cloak is pretty fair. What for a shield does a nightblade have? If you are skilled you can use your juke potential. If you get catched you are pretty dead. There are detection potions, Radiant Magelight, Scorching Flare and AoE to counter stealth. We sorcerer shouldn't cry about NB's. We're all doing fine.Unbroken EU
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Another thing right now is our cloak us broken atm. Things pulling us out of stealth that shouldn't and people still complaining0
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Infinite12✭✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »They just need the old streak treatment. 50% extra cost if cast again within 4 seconds. that's more than fair, considering people still complained about streak being spammable before IC
That's not even close to being fair. Bolt escape at least gets your away from your enemies. Cloak keeps you very close to your enemies, so a cost increase would do nothing but make it even MORE likely that you're still going to die than it is now.[GT: INFINITE12] XB1 I NA I DC PRIMARILY I
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