Please increase (or fix...) the drop rate of undaunted shoulder peices from chests.

AtmaDarkwolf

I am tired of this, ranked undaunted to 9, and a full 2 months afterwards of daily runs, and I have a total of THREE v16 shoulder pieces*(multiple helmets of various levels, most v16, but VERY FEW shoulders, and esp less of the one I NEED/WANT, and one could run a v16 dungeon 5+times a day for chances at the helm he wants(No 'random set peice' but rather THE Helmet he/she wants) , but he/she gets ONE - or two if u count the even further disappointing, silver chest - chances at a 'random' shoulder - IE: 0.1% chance @ getting a shoulder, further 1 in 9(ish?) chance to be of the type needed - 1/3 chance for light/med/heavy, and even more diluted, a random splattering of traits of which only 1 or 2 are of any use.

Please, I am getting very, very upset and frustrated at the low rate, and the utter disappointment EVERY F-ING day when the chest(s) open and I See nothing but a pile of soon-to-be deconstructed garbage. Basically 'the undaunted daily' quests mean to me, one or two v16 crafting mats(ancestor silks, etc) and a pair of soulstones.

This slowly is killing any desire to 'play' because now i feel 'pressed' into doing the daily every day, IE: not fun)

So please, Just increase the rate the chests give shoulders. This will NOT affect (in a negitive way) anyone who HAS the shoulders already (so those of you please don't add your 'NO WAY LEAVE IT AS HARD AS IT IS BECAUSE WE HAZ OURZ AND WANTZ U TO SUFFER WITHOUT' comments) and can only improve the desire to run these.

LBxFinalDeath

Meanwhile the struggle to even get into Vet dungeon groups if you're not a healer is real.

Zilch

I agree strongly with this. Ever since IC was released, I have done daily on two characters and I have one pair of shoulders to show for it. One that I wont even use because it's not the armor type I need and it's trait is garbage.

The future monster shoulders which may be introduced down the line, will be harder and harder to get as well.

I think they should just implement a token system or use the gold keys in a way, so that if you have X amount of keys, you can buy a bag of for example Molag Kena shoulders, then when you open the bag, the RNG system decides if you get a well-fitted light piece or something actually useful.

With the current amount of different monster shoulders in the game, I think it's silly that you aren't guaranteed atleast one pair pr. gold key.

Getting a shoulder piece from the set you are looking for, with the right trait and armor type, is ridicoulusly low.

Tryxus

I'd like to take this opportunity to inform all of you that last weekend, I celebrated the 50th dungeon pledge without finding a helmet.

-blows out the cake candles-

Huzzah

PS: RNG just happens to suck at times, deal with it

owenspuppiesb14_ESO

I seem to have more luck with shoulders if I save 4 or 5 keys up and do it all at once. Don't know if it matters but I always get at least one shoulder doing it this way.

eliisra

Ironically they already increased it to like 20% chance or something. But sweeping buffs clearly makes no difference if your character has really bad ring. Than you still get 0 drops.

I get shoulders out of roughly 1/5 chests or so, but not the ones I want of course

Tend to be more lucky if I save up 10+ keys and open all in one go outside of primetime, for some reason.

AtmaDarkwolf

50? well i can say that im easily well into my 80th and possibly 100+ runs (vet, gold keys)

Total keys (adding silver and gold together) is easily WELL over 100.

I have 2-3 shoulders @ v13 or lower(i think, noob mistakes opening them early) and from v10 to v14 I was getting a shoulder every 5th or so key (one per 3 days roughly)

Since v15/16? 3. I've been v16 since I 'decided' to start leveling undaunted seriously, so easily EVERY SINGLE DAY i've done both runs (minus the days WGT/ICP are the pledges, in which I get 2 silver keys rather than 1 gold/1 silver)

Honestly devs, the rate is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH too low, and I 'feel' its a bug with v15-16 characters.


And really, the 'other garbage' in the chest is just insulting. I think, honestly, I'd rather see a 'decent' pile of gold in the chest instead of that garbage. Each day its like a 'Haha, idiot' to us when that chest opens.

Markaeus

The thing is.. the shoulders from the chests and keys is random.. random set pieces, random traits, and random armor weights.. people who say that they expect to get the exact piece they want or need when they turn in their keys dont understand the idea of randomness. lets do the math.. lets say there are 10 vet dungeons, 30 possible pieces of monster shoulder gear.. <10 monster sets, multiplied by 3 possible armor weights> now.. take those 30 pieces of possible shoulders, and multiply that by the 6 traits that are possible drops (afaik Nirnhoned isnt a possibility) You are looking at a chance of 180 different pieces of undaunted monster shoulders.. on top of that you arent guaranteed to get a monster shoulder from every chest.. but even if you were given a 100% chance of getting a random Monster set shoulder. you still have a 1:180 chance of getting the one you want.. those are pretty slim odds, in my mind.. part of the fun of getting the keys is the chance that you MIGHT get the piece you want.. it's all part of the RNG system.. Yes.. I also agree that it's a pain in the butt to get that Blood Spawn Heavy Reinforced shoulder piece in vet 16 that I've been wanting since I made my tank. but that's all part of the game.. I am currently sitting on like 10 shoulders that arent ideal.. so I'm using a light infused shoulder for right now.. it happens.. but hey.. the set bonus is nice, and that is what I want the most.. by not limiting myself to a specific trait, and being glad that I got the set piece I want, I have just increased my chances of getting something that I want.. Yeah.. the ideal piece is a pain in the rear to get.. but I still have my set bonus that i want.. and I can get that bonus all the while and continue to try for that ideal piece.. It's all RNG people.. it's part of the game.

Zilch

Markaeus wrote: »

The thing is.. the shoulders from the chests and keys is random.. random set pieces, random traits, and random armor weights.. people who say that they expect to get the exact piece they want or need when they turn in their keys dont understand the idea of randomness. lets do the math.. lets say there are 10 vet dungeons, 30 possible pieces of monster shoulder gear.. <10 monster sets, multiplied by 3 possible armor weights> now.. take those 30 pieces of possible shoulders, and multiply that by the 6 traits that are possible drops (afaik Nirnhoned isnt a possibility) You are looking at a chance of 180 different pieces of undaunted monster shoulders.. on top of that you arent guaranteed to get a monster shoulder from every chest.. but even if you were given a 100% chance of getting a random Monster set shoulder. you still have a 1:180 chance of getting the one you want.. those are pretty slim odds, in my mind.. part of the fun of getting the keys is the chance that you MIGHT get the piece you want.. it's all part of the RNG system.. Yes.. I also agree that it's a pain in the butt to get that Blood Spawn Heavy Reinforced shoulder piece in vet 16 that I've been wanting since I made my tank. but that's all part of the game.. I am currently sitting on like 10 shoulders that arent ideal.. so I'm using a light infused shoulder for right now.. it happens.. but hey.. the set bonus is nice, and that is what I want the most.. by not limiting myself to a specific trait, and being glad that I got the set piece I want, I have just increased my chances of getting something that I want.. Yeah.. the ideal piece is a pain in the rear to get.. but I still have my set bonus that i want.. and I can get that bonus all the while and continue to try for that ideal piece.. It's all RNG people.. it's part of the game.

That's fine and all, but the system could really use some improvements. What is the idea of having different armor types or traits if one could potentially never get them? I don't care if I have to pay 100 gold keys to get a specific monster piece. I would do it in a heartbeat. At least I would be certain to get it. The RNG system is just hideous.

Tryxus

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

50? well i can say that im easily well into my 80th and possibly 100+ runs (vet, gold keys)

Total keys (adding silver and gold together) is easily WELL over 100.

I have 2-3 shoulders @ v13 or lower(i think, noob mistakes opening them early) and from v10 to v14 I was getting a shoulder every 5th or so key (one per 3 days roughly)

Since v15/16? 3. I've been v16 since I 'decided' to start leveling undaunted seriously, so easily EVERY SINGLE DAY i've done both runs (minus the days WGT/ICP are the pledges, in which I get 2 silver keys rather than 1 gold/1 silver)

Honestly devs, the rate is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH too low, and I 'feel' its a bug with v15-16 characters.


And really, the 'other garbage' in the chest is just insulting. I think, honestly, I'd rather see a 'decent' pile of gold in the chest instead of that garbage. Each day its like a 'Haha, idiot' to us when that chest opens.

Yeah, same:

- got the 50 vet runs achievement, all gold keys
- farmed Spindleclutch a few dozen times for Bloodspawn
- farmed Darkshade several times for Engine Guardian

In the end, nothing. No helmet at all on this character.

But I find plenty of shoulders from the chests: i even have several versions of Malubeth Shoulders (diff armor types with Infused/Divines), Molag Kena Heavy with Divines (currently wearing), Nerien'eth several shoulders,...

So yeah, I'm srsly considering giving up on pledges. Might be better in the end too: with Molag Kena Shoulders, I no longer have to rely on Magnus Robes 4pcs effects + Monster 2 pc effects (Bloodspawn/Engine). I can use Kagrenacs 5 pcs effect instead with added Spell Damage boost from Kena.

Then again, it would be nice if I find Engine or Bogdan helmets for when I need to heal instead of DPS

Spearshard

If rng was all equal, and we didn't end up with a heavy shoulder with training or we'll fitted as say, a light armor user it wouldn't be as bad, but nothing is so frustrating as having a long run of decon trash and finally seeing a helm or shoulder, and completely utterly useless.

usmcjdking

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Meanwhile the struggle to even get into Vet dungeon groups if you're DPS is real.

FTFY

AtmaDarkwolf

Tryxus wrote: »

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

50? well i can say that im easily well into my 80th and possibly 100+ runs (vet, gold keys)

Total keys (adding silver and gold together) is easily WELL over 100.

I have 2-3 shoulders @ v13 or lower(i think, noob mistakes opening them early) and from v10 to v14 I was getting a shoulder every 5th or so key (one per 3 days roughly)

Since v15/16? 3. I've been v16 since I 'decided' to start leveling undaunted seriously, so easily EVERY SINGLE DAY i've done both runs (minus the days WGT/ICP are the pledges, in which I get 2 silver keys rather than 1 gold/1 silver)

Honestly devs, the rate is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH too low, and I 'feel' its a bug with v15-16 characters.


And really, the 'other garbage' in the chest is just insulting. I think, honestly, I'd rather see a 'decent' pile of gold in the chest instead of that garbage. Each day its like a 'Haha, idiot' to us when that chest opens.

Yeah, same:

- got the 50 vet runs achievement, all gold keys
- farmed Spindleclutch a few dozen times for Bloodspawn
- farmed Darkshade several times for Engine Guardian

In the end, nothing. No helmet at all on this character.

But I find plenty of shoulders from the chests: i even have several versions of Malubeth Shoulders (diff armor types with Infused/Divines), Molag Kena Heavy with Divines (currently wearing), Nerien'eth several shoulders,...

So yeah, I'm srsly considering giving up on pledges. Might be better in the end too: with Molag Kena Shoulders, I no longer have to rely on Magnus Robes 4pcs effects + Monster 2 pc effects (Bloodspawn/Engine). I can use Kagrenacs 5 pcs effect instead with added Spell Damage boost from Kena.

Then again, it would be nice if I find Engine or Bogdan helmets for when I need to heal instead of DPS

wow..sorry about that luck but, no offense, I think u missed the point of the thread.

The thing is, with helmets, even if the drop rate was only 1-5%, U CAN run said dungeon 10-20 times in one night if u so choose. Thats MANY chances a day for the helmet.

The shoulders are ONE CHANCE A DAY. And the chest has ABYSMAL chances to give shoulders after v14 it seems (The chances seem 'fair' below v15, 1 in 5 or so)

Not to be a jerk or anything, just think u didn't read the original post well

And to the poster above that, I'm not asking for 'the perfect shoulders every key' im saying that a SHOULDER PIECE should be in every third or fourth chest. (IE: 1:3 / 1:4 chance to get 'A' shoulder piece, NOT 'THE PERFECT one)

It would NOT hurt ANYONE if the chests gave a shoulder EVERY time (Like you stated, its still about a 1: 150 chance for 'the' right piece u need)

Tryxus

Yeah ik

I was just giving that helmet example to state that the RNG sucks at times and even at certain things for players (my case the helmets, yours the shoulders)

Still, good luck to you. Really hope you find the shoulders with the right traits

AtmaDarkwolf

same to you, hope u get the fancy hat u need.(and i for one would be happy with ANY shoulders for the engine set lol, whatever it might be I can 'make it work'

Sausage

And without players would whine theres nothing to. They just needs to make some clever trading system for BoP items, so if you're so damn unlucky even after 2 month of daily runs, you dont get it, you can take some another route. Ive suggested 1 mill price tag on BoP items, that should hurt a bit, well maybe 3-5 mill now as its so easy to get money from IC, so basically its grind or pay in golds of months work. Or what if player had to give Skill Points to get the item he wants.

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

From what I have seen, there are usually shoulder pieces in every 4th or 5th chest - you just need to have a lot of keys. I have WAY more shoulder pieces than helms. The shoulder piece drop rate is really not an issue for me.

Hint #1: SAVE all your keys until you are Vr16, then use them, so you can get end-game level gear (if lucky)
Hint #2: Save and later use your BLUE keys as well as Gold - you can get shoulder pieces from silver key chests too.
Hint #3: Try to get 75 Champion points into the Shadow (green constellation), to get the Treasure Hunter passive, BEFORE you use your stack of Undaunted keys at vr16. Yes, that passive applies to undaunted chests as well. Even if you don't like the buffs in that tree, just spend 3k to respec your Champion points temporarily, and another 3k to correct them again afterwards - it's worth it.

Samphaa

Yep, starting to get on my nerves tbh, I haven't had anything out of the gold chest for 8 days in a row now, I see so many people running around with kena shoulder piece and I just cannot seem to aquire it, anything would do, I'd take a well fitted or training, at least I'd have the set bonus.

gw2only1b14_ESO

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Meanwhile the struggle to even get into Vet dungeon groups if you're not a healer is real.

Maybe soon they will make solo vet arena

Cuyler

owenspuppiesb14_ESO wrote: »

I seem to have more luck with shoulders if I save 4 or 5 keys up and do it all at once. Don't know if it matters but I always get at least one shoulder doing it this way.

This^
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eliisra wrote: »

Tend to be more lucky if I save up 10+ keys and open all in one go outside of primetime, for some reason.

THis^

DDemon

I seem to be getting more shoulder pieces from silver keys, then I get from gold ones. Some people I have asked experience the same, others have not.

And then there are some that get a shoulder from every key, it seems to be fine for some, while not for others.

I have 3 v16 characters and I try to do the silver and gold on all of them daily, and I get maybe one badly traited shoulder every other day, mostly from the silver keys.

Kutsuu

This is just the way RNG systems work. I got Medium Kena Impen shoulders on my first first silver chest after hitting V16. Someone else might open 100 chests and not get the same.

And that's why I personally prefer token-based loot systems. You know exactly how many times you need to do the daily to get the shoulders you want. I guess it could be a box "Medium Molag Kena" (or whatever set) that gives you a random trait if they want to keep some RNG in the grind.

The way to increase your chances is to level alts. My friends do the nonvet pledge 8 times a day and get 8 times the chances for loot that I do... but it takes a lot of time to do that.

LostRedden

Just let the shoulders or helmet drop from the boss. With the same chance of getting shoulders and helmets from the chests

NateAssassin

I get enough crappy shoulders, I wish I could actually get a helmet I have 2 VR16 helmets, while I have 2 extra Molag Kena shoulders, at least 3 Engine Guardian, and some other shoulders all at VR16.