Stamina cancel animation

Lokov

More and more armless players start using third-party programs for a macro of cancellation of animation and repeated attack for very short period. It turns out that they can kill other player in 0.5-1 seconds. Can u finally fix it or ban that exploit users?!

ShadowDisciple

Lokov wrote: »

More and more armless players start using third-party programs for a macro of cancellation of animation and repeated attack for very short period. It turns out that they can kill other player in 0.5-1 seconds. Can u finally fix it or ban that exploit users?!

woot?

SleepyTroll

Lokov wrote: »

More and more armless players start using third-party programs for a macro of cancellation of animation and repeated attack for very short period. It turns out that they can kill other player in 0.5-1 seconds. Can u finally fix it or ban that exploit users?!

How are you supposed to prove macros? Also why does everyone think that you can get 5 skills off in 1 second with animation cancel? You can't period end of story. Snipe, hold heavy atack press poison injection/silvershards. 3 attacks land all at same time no macro Camaflauge hunter proc makes it 4(flight time of lethal arrow.is why you can do this). That doesn't even require animation cancelling practise since ur only canceling the heavy atack wich is stupid easy.even if they did it with a macro you would die either way. Also sure maybe people macro, but macros don't account for server latency if you set your macro up for a ping of 50 most likely when you get server delay or higher ping in pvp you macro is going to skip steps. Macros are not why you die. You can do the same *** without macros.

Lokov

im not telling about easy 3step macros or cancel animation action where u do only light attack + skill + bash. I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. This is not normal.
By the way, for some reason it is available only in a stamina build, I never met nightblade in a magicka which could do the similar things ))) I want to play my NB in magicka but because of these exploits they are obviously worse then in stamina.

Alucardo

Lokov wrote: »

I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. This is not normal.

It's not normal, and nor is it possible. Macros don't hack into the game and change the mechanics and times it takes for an animation to play out. I think you're full of it.

Vangy

Alucardo wrote: »

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Lokov wrote: »

I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. This is not normal.

It's not normal, and nor is it possible. Macros don't hack into the game and change the mechanics and times it takes for an animation to play out. I think you're full of it.

^ this.

These are just the sweet sweet tears by someone who got pwnt and now wants something to blame. Ambush + medium weave with surprise itself should take a second or more. No way did your opponent get off everything in that time unless u have some seeeeeeerious lag issues and it "seemed" to you like it was a second or so but in actuality nothing special happened. There is no conspiracy involving players using macros and hacking such that they can get multiple abilities off in a shorter period of time. This cannot be done. Server mechanics cannot be overwritten or ignored.

Van_0S

Lokov wrote: »

More and more armless players start using third-party programs for a macro of cancellation of animation and repeated attack for very short period. It turns out that they can kill other player in 0.5-1 seconds. Can u finally fix it or ban that exploit users?!

How about nerfing magicka completly to the ground. Then I guess your request will be accepted.

Lokov

Vangy wrote: »

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Alucardo wrote: »

Lokov wrote: »

I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. This is not normal.

It's not normal, and nor is it possible. Macros don't hack into the game and change the mechanics and times it takes for an animation to play out. I think you're full of it.

^ this.

These are just the sweet sweet tears by someone who got pwnt and now wants something to blame. Ambush + medium weave with surprise itself should take a second or more. No way did your opponent get off everything in that time unless u have some seeeeeeerious lag issues and it "seemed" to you like it was a second or so but in actuality nothing special happened. There is no conspiracy involving players using macros and hacking such that they can get multiple abilities off in a shorter period of time. This cannot be done. Server mechanics cannot be overwritten or ignored.

bla bla bla... do u trust in your own words?))) i have no lags or delays, so don't try to hide this problem, cuz you look as that who uses this exploit and doesn't want that it fixed )) The mechanics can be changed and changes by players using third-party programs for writing of a macro. I tried to program a mouse and the keyboard for receiving such result. I can tell that when using a macro players with lower ping get huge advantage because can cancel animation of abilities by means of bash attacks and micro blocks combinations. If animation can't be cancelled, as well as thought initially, all players will be in much more equal conditions.

Vangy

Lokov wrote: »

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Vangy wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lokov wrote: »

I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. This is not normal.

It's not normal, and nor is it possible. Macros don't hack into the game and change the mechanics and times it takes for an animation to play out. I think you're full of it.

^ this.

These are just the sweet sweet tears by someone who got pwnt and now wants something to blame. Ambush + medium weave with surprise itself should take a second or more. No way did your opponent get off everything in that time unless u have some seeeeeeerious lag issues and it "seemed" to you like it was a second or so but in actuality nothing special happened. There is no conspiracy involving players using macros and hacking such that they can get multiple abilities off in a shorter period of time. This cannot be done. Server mechanics cannot be overwritten or ignored.

bla bla bla... do u trust in your own words?))) i have no lags or delays, so don't try to hide this problem, cuz you look as that who uses this exploit and doesn't want that it fixed )) The mechanics can be changed and changes by players using third-party programs for writing of a macro. I tried to program a mouse and the keyboard for receiving such result. I can tell that when using a macro players with lower ping get huge advantage because can cancel animation of abilities by means of bash attacks and micro blocks combinations. If animation can't be cancelled, as well as thought initially, all players will be in much more equal conditions.

You my friend need a tin foil hat. I repeat there is no conspiracy. Everything a macro can do, a player can do. Macros DO NOT allow you to squeeze in lets say 3 snipes or 3 surprise attacks into 1 second. If you think this is possible, let me reassure you that you are WRONG. Are you even reading the things you are typing yourself??

here let me quote you.

"I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. "

YOU CANNOT DO THIS WITHOUT DOWNRIGHT HACKING THE SERVER. Macros WILL NOT let you do this. WILL NOT. So stop the QQ and learn how to animation cancel? really its not that hard. If you want macros to be dealt with then yes thats a different issue. You however are blaming macros because you "THINK" (wrongly btw) that players are getting off multi abilities in a shorter time than possible. You should stop posting because the more you post the more.... "misinformed" you seem.

Also im not the only one who thinks your full of it. Either everyone else here is a lying macro using hacking scum that can magically hack the servers to fire off multiple abilities in 1 second or your post is nonsense. Which do you think is more likely?

JaJaLuka

Lokov wrote: »

im not telling about easy 3step macros or cancel animation action where u do only light attack + skill + bash. I mean, for example, situations when some players can execute ambush+heavy attack+surprise attack+surprise attack+Executioner in a 1 second or less. This is not normal.
By the way, for some reason it is available only in a stamina build, I never met nightblade in a magicka which could do the similar things ))) I want to play my NB in magicka but because of these exploits they are obviously worse then in stamina.

I SUSPECT what you're talking about has something to do with a wrecking blow + heavy attack weave where they both hit at the same time. It's a stupid and frustrating bug, but not a macro. That plus cloak is annoying.

Another aspect that might cause confusion is lag (you may not be seeing the attacks as they are happening) and might be getting hit with them (at least locally on your screen) within about half a second. I got called a hacker once for killing someone with overload at a normal speed (3-4 light attacks without animation cancelling) while they were on a siege weapon, on his screen all of my attacks hit in less than a second. It took a little bit for his "local" (his computer/internet/personal gameplay experience) to catch up with what had happened in "actual game time".

On a side note, I lolled increadibly hard when the guy messaged me with "play it back in your mind, you know I'm right" after I told him I had just attacked him at a normal speed.

revonine

Look OP I'm afraid you cannot alter the game engine through your client like that using macros. Skills have internal GCD's that you can't bypass. You only speed up or shorten the animation of the skill using animation cancelling not the GCD.

What you might be experiencing is health desync. Snipe has been annoying me lately with this. Attacks hit you but register no damage on your health bar. Then suddenly you drop dead when your client decides to catch up with all the damage you've been taking and your death recap shows 5 hits.

willymchilybily

post a video of what you have experienced that you think is exploiting, is always best when stating exploits.

Lokov

unfortunately I can't shoot video all the time and waiting that someone will execute this focus but if I will lucky enough.. well surely I will give the link to video.

Alucardo

Animation cancelling isn't going anywhere, so don't bother wasting your time

MrBeatDown

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Lokov

lol they say it just cuz cant fix it.
Why then they entered a delay on change of panels and said that in order that players with higher ping could play it as equals with players with a low ping )))

Call me the paranoid but it seems to me that He tells "part of the game" simply because doesn't know how to correct it and doesn't want to look incompetent )))
If it was the conceived part of game, would work absolutely with all abilities and in any sequence of abilities and actions

Lokov

And ty for vid MrBeatDown

leepalmer95

Some people amaze me on this forum xD

Believe me if people could somehow use macro's to use 5 skill in a second you'd know

revonine

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Some people amaze me on this forum xD

Believe me if people could somehow use macro's to use 5 skill in a second you'd know

It's always easier to point fingers rather than to take a moment to actually understand what's going on.

zornyan

Lokov wrote: »

lol they say it just cuz cant fix it.
Why then they entered a delay on change of panels and said that in order that players with higher ping could play it as equals with players with a low ping )))

Call me the paranoid but it seems to me that He tells "part of the game" simply because doesn't know how to correct it and doesn't want to look incompetent )))
If it was the conceived part of game, would work absolutely with all abilities and in any sequence of abilities and actions

You can't use 5 skills in one second.

Every single skill in this game had a one second global cooldown, you can't use more than one skill per second, macro or not, there's no way to bypass it, once a skill is used you have to wait for the global cooldown before you can use another skill.

Xvorg

Lokov wrote: »

lol they say it just cuz cant fix it.
Why then they entered a delay on change of panels and said that in order that players with higher ping could play it as equals with players with a low ping )))

Call me the paranoid but it seems to me that He tells "part of the game" simply because doesn't know how to correct it and doesn't want to look incompetent )))
If it was the conceived part of game, would work absolutely with all abilities and in any sequence of abilities and actions

Weaving is quite easy. Even there are mechanics which are waaaaay easier than that.

Try any spammable such as strife. Hold heavy attack (always) with a resto or a lighting staff, then block and then strife.

Tadaaaaaa