how can i jump to walls in cyrodiil keeps and capture keeps inside out?

Waseem

please @ZOS_GinaBruno let the community post what we need to do in order to get on roof of keep that doesnt belong to our alliance while the keep is main door and side doors are locked only outside maingate open
it is widely used by majority of players (DC to be exact) in PC EU Spellbreaker
i know it has been submitted many times by players but i dont see its getting fixed anytime soon, so why just not it be a feature so all players use it and have a fair play instead a minority of players to keep using it secretly versus other players that doesnt
i got surprised when i went to the roof to see whats going on QQ
https://youtu.be/ifv1oM70epA

lolo_01b16_ESO

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out how they are doing it.

Btw. I only saw DKs, NBs and WWs inside inner keeps without the wall being broken.

themdogesbite

Waseem wrote: »

please @ZOS_GinaBruno let the community post what we need to do in order to get on roof of keep that doesnt belong to our alliance while the keep is main door and side doors are locked only outside maingate open
it is widely used by majority of players (DC to be exact) in PC EU Spellbreaker
i know it has been submitted many times by players but i dont see its getting fixed anytime soon, so why just not it be a feature so all players use it and have a fair play instead a minority of players to keep using it secretly versus other players that doesnt
i got surprised when i went to the roof to see whats going on QQ
https://youtu.be/ifv1oM70epA

Go above maingate, Gapclose on Mage guards, profit!

Scamandros

stand in the corner of keep doors and cast spell symetry until you go through

Teargrants

Oh, you never saw my explanatory video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpNOPXvSvs

SirAndy

Besides the obvious gap closer exploits, which require another player or NPC, there's the postern door "bug" which allows players to jump onto the outer wall using invisible collision boxes that are near the edge of the door frame.

Any player can use these to get on the outer walls ...

Ghostbane

Pour some skooma over your head and think some happy thoughts!

Waseem

thanks for clarifying these exploits, i'll spread the good news

Teargrants

Ghostbane wrote: »

Pour some skooma over your head and think some happy thoughts!

Instructions unclear, drank skooma and walked the moon path to elsweyr.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Waseem wrote: »

please @ZOS_GinaBruno let the community post what we need to do in order to get on roof of keep that doesnt belong to our alliance while the keep is main door and side doors are locked only outside maingate open
it is widely used by majority of players (DC to be exact) in PC EU Spellbreaker
i know it has been submitted many times by players but i dont see its getting fixed anytime soon, so why just not it be a feature so all players use it and have a fair play instead a minority of players to keep using it secretly versus other players that doesnt
i got surprised when i went to the roof to see whats going on QQ
https://youtu.be/ifv1oM70epA

Off topic but always Rez first no matter what's happening even when you're not sure always Rez

Omgwtfbbq321

Sometimes players will just hide up the top when a castle/keep is being taken over. A lot of the time, if I am the only one there. I will let them take it. If there is no resistance, they don't normally come looking up the top. Then I just jump down and pick off the NPCs until I can take the flags.

DannyLV702

Players just hide inside while it's being taken over. I do it with my NB all the time and get free kills

sirston

leave the chains alone they got nerfed to nothing almost this is a valid tactic! its the keep owners fault for not having sentry's patrolling the walls.

babanovac

I never understood why this is frowned upon, or even considered exploit. If you have the balls to jump into a keep full of defenders, you should be allowed to.

If you are a defender and can't deal with those one or two DKs jumping in, you're just bad and deserve to lose that keep imho.

Wollust

I think it adds a bit more fun and pressure if people can actually enter a keep before the walls are sieged. But then again, I really like jumping into keeps.

Jaronking

Last night I jumped into a keep on the back of a EP player killed him then EP strongest player in the game attacked me.The invincible EP lag.He was so power my attacks wouldn't even show up.I couldn't even kill a guard because how bad the lag was.The funniest thing about it was that it was only 7 of us at the keep.2 EP and 5 of us (DC) were trying to take it.All the DC EP and AD was fighting at Alessia.

MountainHound

You are not the same @waseem by any chance that played Socom?

Waseem

MountainHound wrote: »

You are not the same @waseem by any chance that played Socom?

no its not me. i dont throw nades 24/7 in FPS anyway
games i ever played with nickname Waseem are
AVA (back on ijji) a bit on aeria
GunZ
Soldier Front
Battlefiled 2- 4- hardline
and GTA, u name it i played it.

Waseem

babanovac wrote: »

I never understood why this is frowned upon, or even considered exploit. If you have the balls to jump into a keep full of defenders, you should be allowed to.

If you are a defender and can't deal with those one or two DKs jumping in, you're just bad and deserve to lose that keep imho.

thats cute

kadar

Yeah, I...kinda think this is a fun mechanic.

But if we're going to talk Keep Defense vs. Attack balance, let's buff seige damage pls. At least buff it to a degree where people at least have to think about it. Sometimes I forget it exists in it's current state.

Force-Siphon

Typical DC with dat dragon leap swagger

Waseem

The_Outsider wrote: »

Yeah, I...kinda think this is a fun mechanic.

But if we're going to talk Keep Defense vs. Attack balance, let's buff seige damage pls. At least buff it to a degree where people at least have to think about it. Sometimes I forget it exists in it's current state.

i think that siege damage is fine the way it is. if you are an AP farmer who goes with group if 4-5 to take keeps its your personal problem. cyrodiil battles are made to be big, hence.. look at the map of cyrodiil.. you wanna conquer it with 4 players? sieging is fun with large groups. its how its supposed to be

abelsgmx

babanovac wrote: »

I never understood why this is frowned upon, or even considered exploit. If you have the balls to jump into a keep full of defenders, you should be allowed to.

If you are a defender and can't deal with those one or two DKs jumping in, you're just bad and deserve to lose that keep imho.

Sure with all that exploits who do people unkilleable...

bugmom

Rampant cheating and exploits have ruined PvP anyway...

Annra

Whenever I see a player using this cheat, he will be reported by me.

Cody

All is possible if one worships and serves The Lich King.

DreadKnight

A few weeks back (b4 DB) we were seeing some great battles in Cyrodiil, siege, counter siege, pushing forward, retreating, some epic battles and reasonably well balanced too - it was great, just how it was supposed to be (I think), and a culmination of all the re-balancing work that had gone on before.

Then came the update and with it this jumping over the walls crap. I mean, what's the point of the walls now exactly? Keep battles are over in a matter of minutes, and it's completely changed the game play of battles to the point where it's no longer appealing - to me at least.

Has there been any word from ZOS (@ZOS_BrianWheeler) whether this was intentional or not? Might as well get rid of the walls if so, in fact get rid of all of the buildings which would improve lag, and make us battle over flags on an open field - might as well!

I now some people like this new playstyle, and I guess we're adapting, but personally I preferred the epic battles of pre-DB.

DreadKnight

Oh and as an aside, just in case Brian does read this, we were sieging at one of the outposts last weekend, can't remember which one (Sejannus I think (spelling)), and AD were able to fix the wall whilst we were sieging! How is that possible?!?

Tavore1138

Wow epic thread necro, I spent 5 mins going 'I've never seen any of these people' before spotting how old the post was - and ironically it's the red group that is doing this all the time now and our blue team that is constantly sending in videos to ZOS

@DreadKnight - people can repair walls until they drop down to about 94% so if they have a few people repairing inside it is sometimes necessary to co-ordinate 3 or 4 stone trebs to hit at once and take it down to below that level before you can carry on hitting it normally.

Robbmrp

Regardless of who's doing it, it needs to be fixed asap. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_RichLambert, @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno(Welcoime back if you are!) is it possible to get an update on this Exploit? Having people using it daily is such a joke when it's not intended. Please let us know where the fix is with this.

Also, @ZOS_BrianWheeler are Siege Towers or Ladders being added maybe pretty please? They could operate the same way that Rams do and allow a small number of people up to higher levels. Ladders could be two sizes, one for Keep Walls and another for Outposts. The larger the ladder the more people required for it's placement. Lets at least have a realistic way to get into a keep while it's being sieged. Then maybe people wouldn't exploit the dragon leaps....

Ryuho

DreadKnight wrote: »

A few weeks back (b4 DB) we were seeing some great battles in Cyrodiil, siege, counter siege, pushing forward, retreating, some epic battles and reasonably well balanced too - it was great, just how it was supposed to be (I think), and a culmination of all the re-balancing work that had gone on before.

Then came the update and with it this jumping over the walls crap. I mean, what's the point of the walls now exactly? Keep battles are over in a matter of minutes, and it's completely changed the game play of battles to the point where it's no longer appealing - to me at least.

Has there been any word from ZOS (@ZOS_BrianWheeler) whether this was intentional or not? Might as well get rid of the walls if so, in fact get rid of all of the buildings which would improve lag, and make us battle over flags on an open field - might as well!

I now some people like this new playstyle, and I guess we're adapting, but personally I preferred the epic battles of pre-DB.

Exactly this.. Evry1 is hiting like crazy this patch, penetration is broken af, evry1 is using (exploiting) malubeth to be immortal for its duration.. Seriously can't stand this ***! But what should I do? There is no other options (other mmos) better than this bs, at least for now..