Should fear break on XX damage?

Docmandu

Devotion

there is already a way to break it. breaking on dmg would just make pvp even simpler

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes, I'm a NB

Here are a couple things people need the consider.

If the ability broke on damage. There would be no point to cc someone with fear if they were out of stamina.

However if the user has stamina to break free, why would anyone break free instead of just waiting till they get damaged.
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All that needs to be done is have the ability made possible to cc break instantly rather then the delay people are getting. I miss clicked my poll answer. My answer is no because of my reasons above.

If this changed happend fear would have to made impossible to cc break and used as a get away cc.

Not gonna happen tho

Master_Kas

No, I'm a NB

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Emma_Overload

Yes, I'm NOT a NB

If they nerfed Fear to break on damage, it would be just a weak as Rune Prison, and you know ZOS would NEVER let NBs become as weak as Sorcs!

Omgwtfbbq321

Yes, I'm NOT a NB

I would like it to break on damage, but I am talking 10k, 15k damage. Sometimes, with full stamina it fails to break, so at least I'd come out with some health.

Wollust

No, I'm NOT a NB

No, just stop it with those ridiculous nerfs on everything.
It won't be fun anymore when every skill is nerfed because people can't be asked to l2p. Let classes have their individual "OP" stuff. Who cares? Revert nerf on Wings, Streak, block and whatever more. All unnecessary and 95% l2p issues.

I do however want to state that the break free mechanic should be fixed/improved, as it often happen to bug out and not do anything at all (not only fear).

Lava_Croft

No, I'm a NB

I think the next thread should be about nerfing Agony.

Angarato

No, I'm a NB

silly poll answers. it shouldnt break on damage and yes i'm a nightblade. who also gets feared by other nightblades constantly. L2P

Master_Kas

No, I'm a NB

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

If they nerfed Fear to break on damage, it would be just a weak as Rune Prison, and you know ZOS would NEVER let NBs become as weak as Sorcs!

Bahahahahaha @DeanTheCat

eliisra

No, I'm NOT a NB

What would be the point? In any combat involving more than 2+ enemies I'm still going to be cc'ed every 7-8 second. So with or without Fear, I have to mash my break free key like a *** robot, as soon as the immunity is gone.

Yes, Fear can be slow or unresponsive to break when it's laggy (like a few other skills), the skill animation delays it somehow. But nerfing Fear because of lag lol?

FriedEggSandwich

No, I'm NOT a NB

Fear is fine, I have more issues with fossilize because you have to break free from the stun and then dodge-roll out of the root if you want to be able to face your opponent. So fossilize drains my stamina more than fear.

Derra

Yes, I'm NOT a NB

Master_Kas wrote: »

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Fear being instant cast long duration CC that ignores block (well you can´t reactively block it anyway bc instant) makes it the best cc in the game.

Let it break after ~10k dmg to give people a chance to react or lower it´s duration.

Mojomonkeyman

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Fear being instant cast long duration CC that ignores block (well you can´t reactively block it anyway bc instant) makes it the best cc in the game.

Let it break after ~10k dmg to give people a chance to react or lower it´s duration.

I would prefer a GW2 like solution. Big visual indicator that makes avoidance possible, good reaction times granted.

Maulkin

No, I'm NOT a NB

I just want CC break to not bug out and CC immunity to be granted properly. That's all.

strikeback1247

Yes, make it break on 100k damage :^)

Lucky28

No, I'm NOT a NB

Fear needs adjustments, that can't be denied (i really am quite sick of being chain feared over and over) but i don't really think breaking on damage is the correct answer.

Derra

Yes, I'm NOT a NB

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Fear being instant cast long duration CC that ignores block (well you can´t reactively block it anyway bc instant) makes it the best cc in the game.

Let it break after ~10k dmg to give people a chance to react or lower it´s duration.

I would prefer a GW2 like solution. Big visual indicator that makes avoidance possible, good reaction times granted.

Sounds fine by me too.

revonine

No, I'm a NB

Fix the problem with CC breaking from fear sometimes first then we'll talk again. It's an issue for other NB's too and it's annoying.

Master_Kas wrote: »

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Yeah I know. Seems people suddenly have a vendetta against NB's and won't be happy until they gut the class completely.

Master_Kas

No, I'm a NB

revonine wrote: »

Fix the problem with CC breaking from fear sometimes first then we'll talk again. It's an issue for other NB's too and it's annoying.

Master_Kas wrote: »

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Yeah I know. Seems people suddenly have a vendetta against NB's and won't be happy until they gut the class completely.

Yep, most people complaining about it (most not all) seems they don't want NB's to be stealthy, nor bursty, nor be able to heal themselves (vigor stam complains for example). What exactly do they want NB to be? A free kill? Walking practice dummy? I don't know.

In my opinion, nb's should be extremly stealthy/mobile with big burst, but squishy.

Since you cannot instagib players from sneak anymore (except vamps with camo hunter), everyone can survive a stealth attack if they have 3 braincells. That playstyle is basiclly gutted unless you run into vamps or complete tools.

Now they want our stealth/cloak nerfed, they got it, according to ZOS.

Now our CC?

Well if Fear should act like other stuns and break on damage, then scales should only reflect spellprojectiles like the one from 1H shield/templars eclipse. And sorcs hardened ward scale of health just like dk's and templars shields does.

And ofcourse, all classes heals shall be effective as Breath of Life that templars use.

Doesn't sound so fun does it?

/rant over. Inb4 cloak/nbs are OP comments.

SRIBES

No, I'm NOT a NB

NB damage needs to be toned down via the 8% buff from grim focus or extra damage from stealth and other things. Fear does not need a nerf.

revonine

No, I'm a NB

Master_Kas wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

Fix the problem with CC breaking from fear sometimes first then we'll talk again. It's an issue for other NB's too and it's annoying.

Master_Kas wrote: »

As I thought, when cloak gets its nerf. People will move onto fear/surprise attack/ambush.

Let every class skill be identical so nomatter what you choose, you have the same skill as anyone. Pfft

Yeah I know. Seems people suddenly have a vendetta against NB's and won't be happy until they gut the class completely.

Yep, most people complaining about it (most not all) seems they don't want NB's to be stealthy, nor bursty, nor be able to heal themselves (vigor stam complains for example). What exactly do they want NB to be? A free kill? Walking practice dummy? I don't know.

In my opinion, nb's should be extremly stealthy/mobile with big burst, but squishy.

Since you cannot instagib players from sneak anymore (except vamps with camo hunter), everyone can survive a stealth attack if they have 3 braincells. That playstyle is basiclly gutted unless you run into vamps or complete tools.

Now they want our stealth/cloak nerfed, they got it, according to ZOS.

Now our CC?

Well if Fear should act like other stuns and break on damage, then scales should only reflect spellprojectiles like the one from 1H shield/templars eclipse. And sorcs hardened ward scale of health just like dk's and templars shields does.

And ofcourse, all classes heals shall be effective as Breath of Life that templars use.

Doesn't sound so fun does it?

/rant over. Inb4 cloak/nbs are OP comments.

lol yanno if the nerfers get their way and every class is basically the same and are not unique they will always find something else to complain about anyway xD

I will admit that thanks to the 1.6 meta of instant kill and high burst NB's we're amazing. Crap NB's got easy kills this way. But that was back then as you said. Now unless I stack obscene amounts of weapon damage sacrificing everything else including sustain or my target is semi afk watching Netflix they WILL survive my burst heal themselves back to full, shield up etc and attempt to defend themselves in toe to toe combat. Up goes the detect pot up goes the buffs out comes the CC and suddenly I'm on the defensive. Being a successful NB playing to class strengths became so much harder in this update. And it separates the faceroll NB's from the truly good ones.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Yes, I'm NOT a NB

I get what others are saying. But to me it just makes sense to have it break on damage.

Its one thing to be scared to inaction and quite another to be scared even while being hit.

I do like the suggestion that if it were breakable, to only break after x amount of damage.

I hope it doesnt change though. Looking forward to using it on my new NB!

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes, I'm a NB

ChannelTribes wrote: »

NB damage needs to be toned down via the 8% buff from grim focus or extra damage from stealth and other things. Fear does not need a nerf.

That is not what needs to be done. If a person build's for 100% damage like most night blades these days are doing, then they should have massive damage. Radiant Mage Light being a huge counter to initial stealth / cloaked damage. Damage was already toned down 30% extra.

Instead of Nerfing, let's do some buffing. Nightblades are in a fine place right now. Dks need more stamina morphs and Magicka Dks need a little help (even though Skaffa kills it on Magicka Dk).

Personally a lot of the problem comes down to Rally. If Rally was not as strong Dks could whittle them down with much more ease if there initial 15 seconds failed to kill you. People keep addressing Nightblades damage when its the sustain that's broken. Re-balance Rally and stamina will be worse off but magicka will then see a come back and be more viable.

If stamina builds did not have that op burst heal, they would die and cloak would be needed to regen health. However people can just face tank on a stamina nb because of this.

I think your DK would be fine against a nightblade if you both did not have rally. You would be able to block and use a master sword / enginee guardian and ultimates for regen. Nightblades would need to kill you quick or fail and run away.

Fix how broken Rally is and all stamina builds will not be as strong and balance will suddenly appear.

Tankqull

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I just want CC break to not bug out and CC immunity to be granted properly. That's all.

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Poxheart

Yes, I'm a NB

[quote="revonine;2348163"Yeah I know. Seems people suddenly have a vendetta against NB's and won't be happy until they gut the class completely. [/quote]

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