Does anyone else find some of the in game conversation really condescending towards their character?

Tannakaobi

It's not a problem so much, but too often it happens on the main questline. For example:

Spinner Maruin says 'Ask nicely' when he wants me to follow his story to change Anna... whatever her name is. How about, no! Tell the bloody story or I'll stab you in the face!

I'm supposed to be a legend helping the poor folk of Tamriel, the least I expect is a little respect and this is not the first time. I've noticed this countless times. Anyone else agree?

Shunravi

Favorite npc dialogue example: "I bet you have to study to be a half wit."

Yea, the dialogue is a tad condescending.

Epona222

No, you aren't the only Vestige, there are thousands of us heroes out there. Don't expect the world to fall at your feet. (And no you aren't going to become guildmaster of the Fighter's Guild or archmage of the Mage's Guild either, you are just another recruit like the rest of us).

Spearshard

You're a nobody, slowly building up esteem in the people's eyes. So, a guy asked you to use your manners? Personally I found most of the dialog from npc's hilarious, especially Raz's.

Tannakaobi

Shunravi wrote: »

Favorite npc dialogue example: "I bet you have to study to be a half wit."

Yea, the dialogue is a tad condescending.

I really wouldn't mind if I could be rude right back, but too often you have to suck it up with some dialog that is completely out of character to my image of my RPG character.

Shunravi

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Favorite npc dialogue example: "I bet you have to study to be a half wit."

Yea, the dialogue is a tad condescending.

I really wouldn't mind if I could be rude right back, but too often you have to suck it up with some dialog that is completely out of character to my image of my RPG character.

Yea. That's annoying.

BalticBlues

Not only you, all honorable people in Tamriel deserve a little respect.
Is it possible that you do not want to pay a little respect to the story?

anitajoneb17_ESO

That's typical Elder Scrolls.

Even in Skyrim, when we were the only one Dovahkiin savior of the world, the universe and everything else, some NPCs talked to us like we were the worst scumbags.
I kinda like that ! :-) These dialogues are fun.

Tannakaobi

Spearshard wrote: »

You're a nobody, slowly building up esteem in the people's eyes. So, a guy asked you to use your manners? Personally I found most of the dialog from npc's hilarious, especially Raz's.

Why should I have manners if they don't? I'm not complaining about the NPC dialog, I'm complaining about 'my' dialog options.

AlnilamE

What? Somebody stole your sweetroll?

:-P

Tannakaobi

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

That's typical Elder Scrolls.

Even in Skyrim, when we were the only one Dovahkiin savior of the world, the universe and everything else, some NPCs talked to us like we were the worst scumbags.
I kinda like that ! :-) These dialogues are fun.

In my experience of other TES games you could give it right back though. Or at least it fitted in the 'story'. You would expect thieves and assassins to be rude. Not some beggar asking for you to save him.

UrQuan

AlnilamE wrote: »

What? Somebody stole your sweetroll?

:-P

Yes! As a matter of fact somebody did!

SHADOW2KK

UrQuan wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What? Somebody stole your sweetroll?

:-P

Yes! As a matter of fact somebody did!

To Oblivion with the foul knave!!!

Tannakaobi

AlnilamE wrote: »

What? Somebody stole your sweetroll?

:-P

Have an awsome for a great insult. But this is my point, you had a reason to say such a thing. Often in the game it seems out of place.

Such as my example. None of my dialog was rushed or rude. He just asked for my manners out of the blue, as if I was rude or something. Again, I wouldn't mind if it was the consequence of me picking a rude dialog beforehand, but it wasn't.

AnnieBeGood

'Do you know the Cloud district? What am I saying!! Of course you don't' - Skyrim of course. Rude man. I am the Thanes right hand you know.

UrQuan

Tannakaobi wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What? Somebody stole your sweetroll?

:-P

Have an awsome for a great insult. But this is my point, you had a reason to say such a thing. Often in the game it seems out of place.

Such as my example. None of my dialog was rushed or rude. He just asked for my manners out of the blue, as if I was rude or something. Again, I wouldn't mind if it was the consequence of me picking a rude dialog beforehand, but it wasn't.

It wasn't what you said, it was the way you said it. He could see the rudeness and thinly-veiled contempt in your eyes.

Morimizo

"You think I'm being smart with you?

How would YOU know?"

No one can trash the ego like a lady Bosmer.

Would like it if, you know, once you save Tamriel from eternal damnation in the icy fires of Coldharbour, folks could at least recognize that this was accomplished. No need to be gushing with gratitude, but a:

"Thanks for not letting my children get eaten by Ogrims" would be nice. You know, once in a while.

AlnilamE

Tannakaobi wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What? Somebody stole your sweetroll?

:-P

Have an awsome for a great insult. But this is my point, you had a reason to say such a thing. Often in the game it seems out of place.

Such as my example. None of my dialog was rushed or rude. He just asked for my manners out of the blue, as if I was rude or something. Again, I wouldn't mind if it was the consequence of me picking a rude dialog beforehand, but it wasn't.

Well, the guards that said that to me in Skyrim didn't have a reason. I do like the condescension, and sometimes they actually realized you did something good and will mention it instead.

Some of the comments are extra funny in some circumstances.

Like when my bosmer templar goes sell her loot in Mournhold and the clothier asks "What? Have you never seen a wood elf before?" :-P

newtinmpls

Tannakaobi wrote: »

I really wouldn't mind if I could be rude right back, but too often you have to suck it up with some dialog that is completely out of character to my image of my RPG character.

/headshake&facepalmcombined

What... khajiit got your tongue? I talk back all the time to the screen, the NPCs and even taunt the sweepers in IC. I game with (and am generally on skype with) three other people who do the same thing.

The "game" as presented online is a starting point, not the end of what you can do.

Kuroinu

In a single player a game, maybe this would matter more. But an MMO, too many heroes. Although the main story is solo so...I don't know this game has had some weird decisions sometimes.

I love group play, especially for important things like a main story, this game is way too solo whilst leveling up to max level. People may disagree, but sometimes forcing group content is a good thing. But that's just my perspective, at the very least, the main story should have had the option to group up and definitely have been made more difficult in a group. I mean it's the main story and you fight Molag Bal and all his goons, but it's so easy that there is very little sense of achievement in the end.

Honestly, I'd like to see an alternative version of the Main Story. I guess you could say a Veteran mode, but to be even more honest, I wish it was just like that to begin with lol.

PBpsy

I actually like that some people do not recognize me. They have no freaking way to know who am I and what I have been up to. I am not that guy from tv or something. It actually bothers me when some guy instantly recognises me as that guy that saved those chickens halfway across the continent. How the snip would they know?

Tannakaobi

PBpsy wrote: »

I actually like that some people do not recognize me. They have no freaking way to know who am I and what I have been up to. I am not that guy from tv or something. It actually bothers me when some guy instantly recognises me as that guy that saved those chickens halfway across the continent. How the snip would they know?

Yeah but, I'm talking about the dialog with a Bosmer who I am helping save his God! It may be a little bit more important to him that some chickens.

I dunno, all I'm saying is that if someone was trying to save the life of my mother or someone close, I would treat them with respect.

UrQuan

AlnilamE wrote: »

[Some of the comments are extra funny in some circumstances.

Like when my bosmer templar goes sell her loot in Mournhold and the clothier asks "What? Have you never seen a wood elf before?" :-P

Well, mirrors aren't that common, and you could be an orphan, so it is theoretically possible that even as a bosmer you've never seen a wood elf before...

Rodvic

Epona222 wrote: »

No, you aren't the only Vestige, there are thousands of us heroes out there. Don't expect the world to fall at your feet. (And no you aren't going to become guildmaster of the Fighter's Guild or archmage of the Mage's Guild either, you are just another recruit like the rest of us).

Technically there is only one Vestige in the lore.

Tannakaobi

UrQuan wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

[Some of the comments are extra funny in some circumstances.

Like when my bosmer templar goes sell her loot in Mournhold and the clothier asks "What? Have you never seen a wood elf before?" :-P

Well, mirrors aren't that common, and you could be an orphan, so it is theoretically possible that even as a bosmer you've never seen a wood elf before...

Have you ever played a TES game where any village/town has not at least one of all races in it? Skyrim and Khajiit is probably the closest, but it's not like they stand outside every town/village in tents... oh wait!

UrQuan

Tannakaobi wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

[Some of the comments are extra funny in some circumstances.

Like when my bosmer templar goes sell her loot in Mournhold and the clothier asks "What? Have you never seen a wood elf before?" :-P

Well, mirrors aren't that common, and you could be an orphan, so it is theoretically possible that even as a bosmer you've never seen a wood elf before...

Have you ever played a TES game where any village/town has not at least one of all races in it? Skyrim and Khajiit is probably the closest, but it's not like they stand outside every town/village in tents... oh wait!

*sigh*
Is there some kind of tag I can add to posts? Maybe a giant banner that says "this post is silly in nature and should not be taken seriously"? Please ZOS, can you add a feature such as this to the forums? I'd be ever so appreciative...

Tannakaobi

UrQuan wrote: »

*sigh*
Is there some kind of tag I can add to posts? Maybe a giant banner that says "this post is silly in nature and should not be taken seriously"? Please ZOS, can you add a feature such as this to the forums? I'd be ever so appreciative...

Indeed... *sigh*

Lightninvash

hunkadunkadunkadunka dunk I like chopsticks

newtinmpls

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Yeah but, I'm talking about the dialog with a Bosmer who I am helping save his God! It may be a little bit more important to him that some chickens.

I dunno, all I'm saying is that if someone was trying to save the life of my mother or someone close, I would treat them with respect.

Maybe you would.

I work in a very multicultural environment, and for some cultures, and some genders it is very important to retain an attitude of .... awareness of the inherent superiority of the speaker (no, I don't actually work with dunmer, but it could be an apt comparison) ESPECIALLY if getting help from them.

newtinmpls

Epona222 wrote: »

No, you aren't the only Vestige, there are thousands of us heroes out there. Don't expect the world to fall at your feet. (And no you aren't going to become guildmaster of the Fighter's Guild or archmage of the Mage's Guild either, you are just another recruit like the rest of us).

Rodvic wrote: »

Technically there is only one Vestige in the lore.

Well it's a breath mint ... no it's a candy mint ... wait!

You are BOTH right.

For a really well-thought-out classy series of articles that explore this, go here:

https://fallingawkwardly.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-metaphysics-of-morrowind-part-1/

For the cheap, quick and dirty answer, keep reading;

In ES lore there is the idea of a Dragonbreak, a .... mushy clump of non-linear time where lots happens, but then after the fact it looks like only a little was done by a few.

ESO takes place (in my head cannon) in a dragonbreak - every single person that is a vestige is contributing (in some way) to the ultimate aim of restoring Nirn. And from their (our) perspective there is more than one of us.

From those "outside" the dragonbreak (which includes most of the NPCs) it looks like "one person" did such and so. As evidenced by the fact that when I group with 12 people in daggerfall, all the NPCs notice is "that hero that saved the king". Simlarly, they never seem to notice the veritable hordes of people mysteriously arriving and vanishing between wayshrines (that apparently just look like "small shrines" to the average NPC).

Along with this, it seems to be only other vestiges that fade in and out of the universe and sometimes fall through it, and see everyone as "black shadows". We/I are weirdly connected to (or maybe disconnected from) Nirn. From our perspective.

Not from theirs.

Tannakaobi

newtinmpls wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Yeah but, I'm talking about the dialog with a Bosmer who I am helping save his God! It may be a little bit more important to him that some chickens.

I dunno, all I'm saying is that if someone was trying to save the life of my mother or someone close, I would treat them with respect.

Maybe you would.

I work in a very multicultural environment, and for some cultures, and some genders it is very important to retain an attitude of .... awareness of the inherent superiority of the speaker (no, I don't actually work with dunmer, but it could be an apt comparison) ESPECIALLY if getting help from them.

That is because some cultures are inherently racist and sexist... but let's not get political.

It was a wood elf! I'm going with 'he was trying to start an argument as an excuse to eat me and I didn't kill him because I was feeling charitable.'