Negate( Exploit/Bug/ Ind?) at WGT(white Gold Tower)

hazune

Hello,
i would like to announce that Negate ( ulti sorc) eliminates Lighting clock at the last boss at WGT( white gold tower new dung.)
You throw into the middle and lighting disappear.
Pleas Zenimax one again, see to your bugged/exploits.



ZOS = 0 unser only ban/and delate post.

VoiDGhOs7

Why its an exploit since negates does its job to dispell the effect?

OGLezard

oh god this again. Let me guess, animation cancelling is an exploit? Block casting is an exploit? Do you even know what exploit is WITHOUT googling the definition, or do you (like so many others) like to throw that word around ?

Garion

Woo negate is actually useful for something! Let's hope it stays this way!

VoiDGhOs7

Since negate dispells the barrier around Molag Kena you can basically dps down the boss and avoid to die.

G0ku

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Since negate dispells the barrier around Molag Kena you can basically dps down the boss and avoid to die.

Guess what, we dps down the boss and avoid to die without a sorcerer in our group. Don´t know what OP intentions are. Maybe butthurt because he ain´t got a sroc in his group?

willymchilybily

isn't this the point of the ultimate to dispel enemy buffs (and Stun mobs)..... I don't have a PvE group to do dungeons with, so sorry if I'm missing the point, or how this is an exploit.

You think this game mechanic should not work for this example because it makes it too easy or something?

VoiDGhOs7

The OP is talking about this.

Molag Kena (White Gold Tower): Negate (Sorcerer) can make the Lightning Cloak ability of Molag Kena (invulnerability during her phase with the 4 adds spawning around her) disappear. This allows you to just proceed to kill the boss.

Basically if there is an alternative to the mainstream way to kill the boss then that alternative is considered an exploit.

Nifty2g

Don't make a thread lol better to just mail them not let the community know you can exploit and how to do it

Cuyler

Nifty2g wrote: »

Don't make a thread lol better to just mail them not let the community know you can exploit and how to do it

^this

AlnilamE

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

The OP is talking about this.

Molag Kena (White Gold Tower): Negate (Sorcerer) can make the Lightning Cloak ability of Molag Kena (invulnerability during her phase with the 4 adds spawning around her) disappear. This allows you to just proceed to kill the boss.

Basically if there is an alternative to the mainstream way to kill the boss then that alternative is considered an exploit.

So you're saying that Negate should so dispel the ads as well and get her into the next phase again?

eliisra

Most raids used Negate to avoid AA mechanics for almost a year. Exploiting? I personally assumed it was indented

While I dont think negating that electric fence is 100% ZoS intention. We cant be sure, since they never say *** all. Probably wont be fixed, if ever, until Orsinium comes out. Lf1M sorc vWGT is already a thing, so little late trying to control the situation with hush hush.

UrQuan

Yeah, I'm not sure if this can be considered an exploit. Negate is only good as an ultimate if it can make a significant difference in boss fights by screwing with some of their mechanics. For PVE anyway, I'm not making any judgments on whether it's any good in PVP.

Although between this and the Clannfear thing I just heard about on the forums today, it sounds like sorcs have massive advantages in certain group dungeon content... If my highest level sorc wasn't a lowly VR2 I could probably sell my services for dungeons

Personofsecrets

I, for one, am happy that an effect works as described and am really tired of mechanics ignoring how abilities are supposed to work.

PBpsy

Light attacks do damage pls nurf

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hey everyone,

This is a known bug that we are currently testing a fix for. If it passes, the fix will go out before Orsinium is live.

Paulington

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

Cuyler

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

This is a known bug that we are currently testing a fix for. If it passes, the fix will go out before Orsinium is live.

You guys should leave it so MAC users have a way to finish the dungeon any word on the KENA MAC CRASH fix?

Tankqull

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

The OP is talking about this.

Molag Kena (White Gold Tower): Negate (Sorcerer) can make the Lightning Cloak ability of Molag Kena (invulnerability during her phase with the 4 adds spawning around her) disappear. This allows you to just proceed to kill the boss.

Basically if there is an alternative to the mainstream way to kill the boss then that alternative is considered an exploit.

well no it it doesent, or atleast never did for me, what you can dispell and what the original poster is writing is the lightning CLOCK the lightning AE circling slowly around. the center of the platform wtch atleast from my perspective is ok, having a sorc halfing its DPS (or cripling it even more) to create some convinience is atleast from my perspective a fair trade.

Paulington wrote: »

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

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Ezareth

The encounter is already easy enough if I was able to complete it. Making what is currently the endgame encounter in this patch trivial should not be intended and should be fixed.

OrphanHelgen

People complaining about sorc being underpowered.
People complaining about wgt being too hard.

Sorc find a way 1 month later.

Pls nerf sorc, pls make wgt harder.


My point is, players find a way, and rumors spread.
Is it really that bad to constantly improve?

PBpsy

Paulington wrote: »

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

It is their quest to turn the ultimate system into something more interactive and diverse . When everyone will use comet they will finally achieve their goals. Be thankful that Sorcs still have a class ulti worth a damn.

tordr86b16_ESO

PBpsy wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

It is their quest to turn the ultimate system into something more interactive and diverse . When everyone will use comet they will finally achieve their goals. Be thankful that Sorcs still have a class ulti worth a damn.

Stop crying, really. The pve endgame in eso is laughable, they should fix this just to increase the difficulty just a "tiny" bit.

PBpsy

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

It is their quest to turn the ultimate system into something more interactive and diverse . When everyone will use comet they will finally achieve their goals. Be thankful that Sorcs still have a class ulti worth a damn.

Stop crying, really. The pve endgame in eso is laughable, they should fix this just to increase the difficulty just a "tiny" bit.

Crying? Sorry just pointing up facts. Maybe you should stop imagining cries.

Kerioko

Templar Shards, when synergy is used, along with a few other synergy spells, get rid of the lightning too. So it is not just negate that works. Granted, we found that this only works in hard mode.

Sorcs are still useful, however, due to the pet aggro bug with the third boss!

usmcjdking

TESTED: Negate magic will INACTIVATE the enrage buff Flesh Atronachs' (much like how it used to interact with PVP Werewolf in Cyro) receive for it's duration but will not dispel it.

Indicators: Tank not getting 1 shot. Atronach shrinking to normal size. Movement speed returned to initial speed.

Xantaria

Tankqull wrote: »

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

The OP is talking about this.

Molag Kena (White Gold Tower): Negate (Sorcerer) can make the Lightning Cloak ability of Molag Kena (invulnerability during her phase with the 4 adds spawning around her) disappear. This allows you to just proceed to kill the boss.

Basically if there is an alternative to the mainstream way to kill the boss then that alternative is considered an exploit.

well no it it doesent, or atleast never did for me, what you can dispell and what the original poster is writing is the lightning CLOCK the lightning AE circling slowly around. the center of the platform wtch atleast from my perspective is ok, having a sorc halfing its DPS (or cripling it even more) to create some convinience is atleast from my perspective a fair trade.

Paulington wrote: »

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

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I misunderstood that, thank you for clarifying!

Personofsecrets

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

This is a known bug that we are currently testing a fix for. If it passes, the fix will go out before Orsinium is live.

Why are abilities working the way they are worded a bug?

Look at immovable for example, isn't it odd that that ability doesn't stop it's user from being knocked down by the Mage in AA?

Or look at Rapid Maneuver for a moment, isn't it strange that the Planar Inhibitors slow effect overrides that abilities negation of snares?

Why do you think that you updated the game to include the buff system that it currently has? Well, part of the reason is so that the game is more easily understood. I don't see how the developers facilitate the understanding of the game and it's mechanics, if mechanics are going to, arbitrarily, not be affected by skills that should be able to affect them. Such piecemeal application of abilities only ensures that the game become more esoteric in how players understand it.

And, by the way, I still have no idea what different enemies elemental weaknesses are or if those weaknesses are even present in most enemies. You have much work to do and bigger things on your plate than making sure that negate doesn't get rid of a ground aoe (like it should).

GreenSoup2HoT

Well, thank's for the info. Time to get my helm befor the dlc drop's. JK. Seriously though. This is why exploit's get out of hand. PM Zos.

UltimaJoe777

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Wait, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, negate magic doing the thing it is intended to do (You know, negate magic.) is a bug?

This skill has already been nerfed into the floor to the point where it is totally unused in PvE, why do you want to make it even more useless than it already is?

If you must make it never negate magic when you actually want to negate magic, replace the ultimate with something useful.

It is their quest to turn the ultimate system into something more interactive and diverse . When everyone will use comet they will finally achieve their goals. Be thankful that Sorcs still have a class ulti worth a damn.

Stop crying, really. The pve endgame in eso is laughable, they should fix this just to increase the difficulty just a "tiny" bit.

Yeah, especially since there is no such thing as endgame in an MMORPG.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Why its an exploit since negates does its job to dispell the effect?

Because it makes negate actually useful again. That's how we know its not working as intended.

Eric Wrobel nerfed negate into uselessness because an effect you could walk right out of or break out of at any time was way to OP.

He obviously didn't nerf it enough.