Azura's Star (NA) - Low Population is broken

MountainHound

The low population is such a useless mechanic and is broken. Why penalize a faction that is trying to play by making them go 3rd. Also, this is another reason that people entering into IC should not account toward population space on servers.

I was amazed yesterday when:

EP had 1 scroll and a couple of keeps
DC had 5 scrolls, emp
AD had their home shields, 0 keeps nothing.

Now realistically, DC should have been turning over more points each tick? Wrong,

AD 99+
DC 68+
EP 40+

I mean how does this make sense? As of this post, the faction rankings are:

EP 11k (80+) - Holds everything, is ok they should be on high turnover of points
AD 8.1k (74+) - Holds 1 more keep than DC
DC 6k (24+) - Holds just glade atm

When looking at the population screens, DC and AD has 1 bar, and EP has 2 bars.

This whole system is broke and needs fixing. The faction with low pop needs buffs to their characters not to the campaign points. Give low pop campaigns +15-20% Spell/Weapon/HP/Stamina/Magika/Regen bonuses or something.

MountainHound

*EP has emp as well

MountainHound

AD has emp as well, I will keep you updated of how bad the mechanic is.

Rebeccas04nub18_ESO

Thank you for bringing this up, it doesn't make sense to me either. AD is getting low pop bonus and we're fighting them tooth and nail. All 3 seemed to have balanced population tonight and it was a lot of fun, but there's no reason to give the underdogs any buffs because there isn't any.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

It's still messed up, but it also doesn't help when you attack ep instead of ad either

jhharvest

Right now on Azura all factions are full pop, but AD was still getting their triple score. On top of that, when we finally pushed an AD keep and flags were just about to flag everyone, literally everyone in group got booted out. When we logged back in the server had rolled back and we had to start siege from zero.

Herbatio

MountainHound wrote: »

The low population is such a useless mechanic and is broken. Why penalize a faction that is trying to play by making them go 3rd. Also, this is another reason that people entering into IC should not account toward population space on servers.

I was amazed yesterday when:

EP had 1 scroll and a couple of keeps
DC had 5 scrolls, emp
AD had their home shields, 0 keeps nothing.

Now realistically, DC should have been turning over more points each tick? Wrong,

AD 99+
DC 68+
EP 40+

I mean how does this make sense? As of this post, the faction rankings are:

EP 11k (80+) - Holds everything, is ok they should be on high turnover of points
AD 8.1k (74+) - Holds 1 more keep than DC
DC 6k (24+) - Holds just glade atm

When looking at the population screens, DC and AD has 1 bar, and EP has 2 bars.

This whole system is broke and needs fixing. The faction with low pop needs buffs to their characters not to the campaign points. Give low pop campaigns +15-20% Spell/Weapon/HP/Stamina/Magika/Regen bonuses or something.

its friday night October 10th, 11:30 pm, AD is pop locked AND STILL getting the low pop bonus points, fix this crap ZOS, make abasolutely no sense for AD to be getting points for **** all, they get the low pop bonus constantly, dont think ive ever seen them without it, whats goin on here but alas, the Devs play here so guess it wont change.

SkylarkAU

Herbatio wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

The low population is such a useless mechanic and is broken. Why penalize a faction that is trying to play by making them go 3rd. Also, this is another reason that people entering into IC should not account toward population space on servers.

I was amazed yesterday when:

EP had 1 scroll and a couple of keeps
DC had 5 scrolls, emp
AD had their home shields, 0 keeps nothing.

Now realistically, DC should have been turning over more points each tick? Wrong,

AD 99+
DC 68+
EP 40+

I mean how does this make sense? As of this post, the faction rankings are:

EP 11k (80+) - Holds everything, is ok they should be on high turnover of points
AD 8.1k (74+) - Holds 1 more keep than DC
DC 6k (24+) - Holds just glade atm

When looking at the population screens, DC and AD has 1 bar, and EP has 2 bars.

This whole system is broke and needs fixing. The faction with low pop needs buffs to their characters not to the campaign points. Give low pop campaigns +15-20% Spell/Weapon/HP/Stamina/Magika/Regen bonuses or something.

its friday night October 10th, 11:30 pm, AD is pop locked AND STILL getting the low pop bonus points, fix this crap ZOS, make abasolutely no sense for AD to be getting points for **** all, they get the low pop bonus constantly, dont think ive ever seen them without it, whats goin on here but alas, the Devs play here so guess it wont change.

It's because for the other 12-16 hours of the day EP is on 3 bars and rolling the map while AD is on 1

jhharvest

Skylark, it's always good fighting you in Cyro but can you actually say this is right?

MountainHound

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

It's still messed up, but it also doesn't help when you attack ep instead of ad either

That is very true. BUT nothing can stop AD's low population bonus. We could take everything off of them back to their shields and still they would get a higher score than both EP + DC a tick. I'd say EP started hitting DC however by back capping the DC scroll from us at Allessia but we are not 10 years old here (I am so yeah, YOU STARTED HITTING US!)

*some* order has been restored at least(BTW if you can't tell, I play DC. I don't like EP/AD obviously but I'm pointing out how silly the low pop cap is).





Ok, so this is some what restored although it still baffles me why AD gets more than DC (obvious QQ is obvious) as we hold our scrolls, few more keeps/resources etc.

I have some solutions for what zos can do to improve this whole system:

1) Now that IC has been out for awhile, remove it from every campaign but 1. This will make all the PVE players join that campaign and contain them there. It is obvious when running around Cyrodiil that a pop lock DC is not present.

2) Ok, say those population bars represent 100 players (I don't know obvs). Whatever the lowest faction has, the other 2 can only have 1 bar above it. Say AD is on 1 bar, DC/EP can only go to 2 bars. Say AD has 2 bars, EP/DC can go to 3 bars. Then totally remove low bonus points. Maybe give the lowest faction an XP/AP boost to encourage more players to play there. This *should* to some extent lower lag although the lag IMO apart from the crash has not been that bad. Definately an improvement to 30 minute tower lag we use to encounter.

So what does this actually do? It will put a stop to the servers when EP/AD has pop lock / 3 bars for the majority of the day and yes, SPREAD their players out. It'll mean in Chillrend where EP enjoys pop lock, they'll only be able to go to 2 bars until more ad/dc logs in to make it even. O and guess what, if AD/EP complain they can't get into their campaigns, it MIGHT encourage some players to move over to DC.

I'd also try and encourage ZoS to stop the creation of players on factions that are clearly higher popped than others. Even just a hint on character selection screen "x alliance is busy, may encounter PVP ques" to *try* and even factions out.

This brings me to my next point of 1 faction USER accounts. That is a talk for a different topic as I've already rambled for far to long over my morning coffee.

If TLDR: Just read point 2. My solution that would work.

jhharvest

MountainHound wrote: »

That is very true. BUT nothing can stop AD's low population bonus. We could take everything off of them back to their shields and still they would get a higher score than both EP + DC a tick.

In fact, no. Low pop bonus is 3 times multiplier to your score. If you have no keeps, outposts, resources or scrolls, you'll get 0 points. Thus the "sensible" option is to push the low pop faction until they have absolutely nothing, and keep them like that, or they'll be gaining a lot of points very quickly.

Obviously I think this scoring system is fundamentally broken like this. Instead of encouraging the underdog to play more, it seems like it's more encouraging the other factions to beat on the underdog even more.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

Yep it is now required you take every enemy keep and open their gates with this mechanic in place.

jhharvest wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

That is very true. BUT nothing can stop AD's low population bonus. We could take everything off of them back to their shields and still they would get a higher score than both EP + DC a tick.

In fact, no. Low pop bonus is 3 times multiplier to your score. If you have no keeps, outposts, resources or scrolls, you'll get 0 points. Thus the "sensible" option is to push the low pop faction until they have absolutely nothing, and keep them like that, or they'll be gaining a lot of points very quickly.

Obviously I think this scoring system is fundamentally broken like this. Instead of encouraging the underdog to play more, it seems like it's more encouraging the other factions to beat on the underdog even more.

xaraan

The fact that players continually create EP characters to be on the zerg side (red pretty much owns all campaigns due to population except the one they ignore (haderus) and they'd probably be able to take it as they wished) means I don't feel too sorry for them.

But, I agree with you. You wouldn't want me to fix it though. I'd cap the # of campaigns at what the lowest population filled up (meaning there would probably be only like 2 campaigns) and have a dynamic pop cap so that if the other pops were on 2 bar, that's as high as red could get as well. And if they were locked, then players in one faction would just have to sit in queue for hours. (Though I'd also sell faction changes in the crown store if players wanted to take it upon themselves to balance the factions out).

Zyle

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

manny254

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Zyle

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

manny254

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

xaraan

Hey genius, we were trying to get our scroll back. And it was one group while the other group tried (and failed obviously) to defend against the red zerg. Unlike blue who was taking our scroll gate keeps when we had zero scrolls for no reason but to be jerks instead of fighting reds. Also, our "locked" population I gotta assume half are in sewers b/c every single fight we are outnumbered 2 to 1 if we are lucky, 5 to 1 or more if not. Neither reds or blues seem to be able to accomplish anything with less than 50 players unless it's PvDoor.

Zyle

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

xaraan wrote: »

Hey genius, we were trying to get our scroll back. And it was one group while the other group tried (and failed obviously) to defend against the red zerg. Unlike blue who was taking our scroll gate keeps when we had zero scrolls for no reason but to be jerks instead of fighting reds. Also, our "locked" population I gotta assume half are in sewers b/c every single fight we are outnumbered 2 to 1 if we are lucky, 5 to 1 or more if not. Neither reds or blues seem to be able to accomplish anything with less than 50 players unless it's PvDoor.

Hey genius, EP had one of your scrolls too, and AD kept pushing while EP used AD (obviously) to get emp. From what I saw, no you guys have plenty above ground.

EDIT: Just read your last sentence, it's funny you should say that because the running theory over here is AD can't accomplish anything without double teaming up.

manny254

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Zyle

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Way to read what you want to. I pointed how it made no sense for AD to push DC while DC is in last, had 1 of your scroll where EP had 1 too, and EP was obviously about to push for emp. You basically GAVE EP emp because you were butthurt by a group of DC pushing south earlier in the day?

manny254

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Way to read what you want to. I pointed how it made no sense for AD to push DC while DC is in last, had 1 of your scroll where EP had 1 too, and EP was obviously about to push for emp. You basically GAVE EP emp because you were butthurt by a group of DC pushing south earlier in the day?

EP would night/daycap emp so that is really a non issue. We also did not give it to them. Every AD group on the server was there except ours.

No one seems to be butt hurt except you. You where angry enough to complain about it on the forums without us saying anything.

The point stands that you can not push us then be surprised that we push you back. Having the least amount of score does not give you a license to do what every you want, and expect the other factions to ignore you. If score was the prime deciding factor in what you where doing you would have pushed EP.

xaraan

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

xaraan wrote: »

Hey genius, we were trying to get our scroll back. And it was one group while the other group tried (and failed obviously) to defend against the red zerg. Unlike blue who was taking our scroll gate keeps when we had zero scrolls for no reason but to be jerks instead of fighting reds. Also, our "locked" population I gotta assume half are in sewers b/c every single fight we are outnumbered 2 to 1 if we are lucky, 5 to 1 or more if not. Neither reds or blues seem to be able to accomplish anything with less than 50 players unless it's PvDoor.

Hey genius, EP had one of your scrolls too, and AD kept pushing while EP used AD (obviously) to get emp. From what I saw, no you guys have plenty above ground.

EDIT: Just read your last sentence, it's funny you should say that because the running theory over here is AD can't accomplish anything without double teaming up.

We went after that scroll first actually. We pretty much just took either opportunity to grab the scroll b/c we had a much smaller force trying to fight a huge zerg (god knows where most of our AD were, like I said, I assume half were in sewers, we only had two other small groups talking to us the whole evening). Plenty above ground? We had two partially full raid groups hit Glade b/c we knew of the amount of blues running around from earlier and one hit the keep holding the scroll when the other returned to fight the reds. You wanna see a zerg, try the 60+ blues that were fighting 20 AD at Ash yesterday (and failing) before the server crashed.

But again, you are crying that we went for our scroll - YOUR faction put the scroll there - that isn't "pushing you to the gate" when we go for our scroll and then leave the keep empty for you to PvDoor it. When a couple hours before that, blue was taking BB and BM for no reason (we had no scrolls) b/c I assume they were afraid to push on red and actually fight for emp keeps? You guys need to look in the mirror.

And I'm sure there are some AD groups that fit that bill of zerg, but those two groups - we all know what guilds they are - aren't running in this campaign and were not running there at all tonight, even as guests or whatever you wanna call that jumping campiagn crap. But most of the leaders of enemy faction guilds know who our guild is and wouldn't say we can't accomplish anything without numbers - we are almost always outnumbered and still winning and when we get beats, it's usually by a crazy amount of enemy players - you should have seen how many reds it took to stop our scroll runs (if they had only outnumbered us 2 to 1, they'd have failed, and their leader knew they would have lost, so he knew he'd need more).

Zyle

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Way to read what you want to. I pointed how it made no sense for AD to push DC while DC is in last, had 1 of your scroll where EP had 1 too, and EP was obviously about to push for emp. You basically GAVE EP emp because you were butthurt by a group of DC pushing south earlier in the day?

EP would night/daycap emp so that is really a non issue. We also did not give it to them. Every AD group on the server was there except ours.

No one seems to be butt hurt except you. You where angry enough to complain about it on the forums without us saying anything.

The point stands that you can not push us then be surprised that we push you back. Having the least amount of score does not give you a license to do what every you want, and expect the other factions to ignore you. If score was the prime deciding factor in what you where doing you would have pushed EP.

Your statement would make sense if: one group of said faction represented entire faction; i have no idea who pushed south when you had no scrolls, but I seem to remember AD farm groups in our backkeeps while EP had all 6 scrolls not too long ago. Want me to sum up all of AD based on the actions of one AD group? Sounds kind of ridiculous right?

So you get mad at DC supposedly pvdooring keeps....yet it's okay because EP would night/daycap emp? Yeah way to contradict yourself.

2 AD raids between glade and warden, I saw Ash burst and flip to red within 2minutes, you really wanna try and say your faction was doing everything to prevent their emp push? Yeah I didn't think so.

You seem to have a hard time understanding what butthurt means. I made one comment, and you got butthurt and had to respond with a generic non related statement. Then I ask you to respond to my comment, and get all butthurt about that. You are very petty.

Zyle

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Way to read what you want to. I pointed how it made no sense for AD to push DC while DC is in last, had 1 of your scroll where EP had 1 too, and EP was obviously about to push for emp. You basically GAVE EP emp because you were butthurt by a group of DC pushing south earlier in the day?

EP would night/daycap emp so that is really a non issue. We also did not give it to them. Every AD group on the server was there except ours.

No one seems to be butt hurt except you. You where angry enough to complain about it on the forums without us saying anything.

The point stands that you can not push us then be surprised that we push you back. Having the least amount of score does not give you a license to do what every you want, and expect the other factions to ignore you. If score was the prime deciding factor in what you where doing you would have pushed EP.

I'll respond to your last paragraph specifically in this post: Why do you keep saying "you"? I wasn't there?

Zyle

xaraan wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

xaraan wrote: »

Hey genius, we were trying to get our scroll back. And it was one group while the other group tried (and failed obviously) to defend against the red zerg. Unlike blue who was taking our scroll gate keeps when we had zero scrolls for no reason but to be jerks instead of fighting reds. Also, our "locked" population I gotta assume half are in sewers b/c every single fight we are outnumbered 2 to 1 if we are lucky, 5 to 1 or more if not. Neither reds or blues seem to be able to accomplish anything with less than 50 players unless it's PvDoor.

Hey genius, EP had one of your scrolls too, and AD kept pushing while EP used AD (obviously) to get emp. From what I saw, no you guys have plenty above ground.

EDIT: Just read your last sentence, it's funny you should say that because the running theory over here is AD can't accomplish anything without double teaming up.

We went after that scroll first actually. We pretty much just took either opportunity to grab the scroll b/c we had a much smaller force trying to fight a huge zerg (god knows where most of our AD were, like I said, I assume half were in sewers, we only had two other small groups talking to us the whole evening). Plenty above ground? We had two partially full raid groups hit Glade b/c we knew of the amount of blues running around from earlier and one hit the keep holding the scroll when the other returned to fight the reds. You wanna see a zerg, try the 60+ blues that were fighting 20 AD at Ash yesterday (and failing) before the server crashed.

But again, you are crying that we went for our scroll - YOUR faction put the scroll there - that isn't "pushing you to the gate" when we go for our scroll and then leave the keep empty for you to PvDoor it. When a couple hours before that, blue was taking BB and BM for no reason (we had no scrolls) b/c I assume they were afraid to push on red and actually fight for emp keeps? You guys need to look in the mirror.

And I'm sure there are some AD groups that fit that bill of zerg, but those two groups - we all know what guilds they are - aren't running in this campaign and were not running there at all tonight, even as guests or whatever you wanna call that jumping campiagn crap. But most of the leaders of enemy faction guilds know who our guild is and wouldn't say we can't accomplish anything without numbers - we are almost always outnumbered and still winning and when we get beats, it's usually by a crazy amount of enemy players - you should have seen how many reds it took to stop our scroll runs (if they had only outnumbered us 2 to 1, they'd have failed, and their leader knew they would have lost, so he knew he'd need more).

The assumption that most of said faction is in sewers isn't faction specific, that's in EP zones, and that is in DC zones. Don't even play the zerg card, AD and EP have the capability to zerg every campaign whereas DC can muster enough to do it on 1. I can't even join another campaign because of how heavy AD/EP zergs are on other campaigns.

Incorrect, I am not crying that you went for you scroll. I am POINTING OUT that AD made a decision to recklessly push DC backkeeps for one scroll, and in that process you let EP get emp. Two AD players read my comment and have comprehension issues...again, I'm not upset that you went for your scroll, I'm pointing out how dumb of a time it was to do it.

Just like with Mojican, I have no clue why you guys are so butthurt about a group of DC I had nothing to do with pushing south. That doesn't excuse nor explain the dumb decision to dual push with EP and end up giving EP emp while losing 2 of your own scroll run attempts.

manny254

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

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So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Way to read what you want to. I pointed how it made no sense for AD to push DC while DC is in last, had 1 of your scroll where EP had 1 too, and EP was obviously about to push for emp. You basically GAVE EP emp because you were butthurt by a group of DC pushing south earlier in the day?

EP would night/daycap emp so that is really a non issue. We also did not give it to them. Every AD group on the server was there except ours.

No one seems to be butt hurt except you. You where angry enough to complain about it on the forums without us saying anything.

The point stands that you can not push us then be surprised that we push you back. Having the least amount of score does not give you a license to do what every you want, and expect the other factions to ignore you. If score was the prime deciding factor in what you where doing you would have pushed EP.

Your statement would make sense if: one group of said faction represented entire faction; i have no idea who pushed south when you had no scrolls, but I seem to remember AD farm groups in our backkeeps while EP had all 6 scrolls not too long ago. Want me to sum up all of AD based on the actions of one AD group? Sounds kind of ridiculous right?

So you get mad at DC supposedly pvdooring keeps....yet it's okay because EP would night/daycap emp? Yeah way to contradict yourself.

2 AD raids between glade and warden, I saw Ash burst and flip to red within 2minutes, you really wanna try and say your faction was doing everything to prevent their emp push? Yeah I didn't think so.

You seem to have a hard time understanding what butthurt means. I made one comment, and you got butthurt and had to respond with a generic non related statement. Then I ask you to respond to my comment, and get all butthurt about that. You are very petty.

Regardless of if it was you personally pushing on us is irrelevant. DC harassed our home keeps all night. They had our scroll. You have no room to complain about us wanting to take that keep.

I was simply trying to explain our reasoning in the middle of a battle. We where already committed to the scroll, and there really was not much we could do at that point. The other AD groups went to defend Roe. All we could do is hope for the best from them. There is only so much that we can do as one group, and we can only be in one place.

Zyle

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

So it is acceptable for DC to PVDoor the AD home keeps, but when AD takes DC contested keeps it is the end of the World?

Here is a hint: Don't try to Push AD to the gate when we Have no Scrolls. If you do then don't be surprised when we push you back.

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Update: Tri pop locked in azuras right now, yet they still get bonus. They should also get a bonus for most confusing tactics seen in az so far: DC 3rd place by over 6k difference in score, AD within 500 points of lead, and they help EP push us to gates while EP is backcapping emp keeps. Good stuff

Wanna try actually responding to what I said?

Want to respond to what I said?

AD has no scrolls yet DC decided to Capture BM, BB, Roe, and Push Fare. You are surprised that AD pushed you? Want us to hold your hand after you repeatedly pushed our home keeps every time we pushed red?

I'll respond to you when you respond to me? lol...mad bro?

Uh I did respond to you? You qq'ed about AD pushing DC. Please explain to me what I am missing here.

Way to read what you want to. I pointed how it made no sense for AD to push DC while DC is in last, had 1 of your scroll where EP had 1 too, and EP was obviously about to push for emp. You basically GAVE EP emp because you were butthurt by a group of DC pushing south earlier in the day?

EP would night/daycap emp so that is really a non issue. We also did not give it to them. Every AD group on the server was there except ours.

No one seems to be butt hurt except you. You where angry enough to complain about it on the forums without us saying anything.

The point stands that you can not push us then be surprised that we push you back. Having the least amount of score does not give you a license to do what every you want, and expect the other factions to ignore you. If score was the prime deciding factor in what you where doing you would have pushed EP.

Your statement would make sense if: one group of said faction represented entire faction; i have no idea who pushed south when you had no scrolls, but I seem to remember AD farm groups in our backkeeps while EP had all 6 scrolls not too long ago. Want me to sum up all of AD based on the actions of one AD group? Sounds kind of ridiculous right?

So you get mad at DC supposedly pvdooring keeps....yet it's okay because EP would night/daycap emp? Yeah way to contradict yourself.

2 AD raids between glade and warden, I saw Ash burst and flip to red within 2minutes, you really wanna try and say your faction was doing everything to prevent their emp push? Yeah I didn't think so.

You seem to have a hard time understanding what butthurt means. I made one comment, and you got butthurt and had to respond with a generic non related statement. Then I ask you to respond to my comment, and get all butthurt about that. You are very petty.

Regardless of if it was you personally pushing on us is irrelevant. DC harassed our home keeps all night. They had our scroll. You have no room to complain about us wanting to take that keep.

I was simply trying to explain our reasoning in the middle of a battle. We where already committed to the scroll, and there really was not much we could do at that point. The other AD groups went to defend Roe. All we could do is hope for the best from them. There is only so much that we can do as one group, and we can only be in one place.

So what you're telling me is, I can create an EP alt with a few friends, and push AD while they have no scrolls to their gates on those alts, and profit when AD can't get past their own anger and relentlessly push the offenders back to their gates? Get a grip dude, look at the bigger picture and stop being so offended by stuff lol. I actually do have room to complain, because when DC did "harass" your home keeps "all night", it didn't result in EP getting emp.

I'm not asking you to explain or reason as to why you couldn't be in two places at once, I'm asking that you guys admit it wasn't the smartest decision to do what you guys did tonight.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

*Rolls her eyes * The ONLY reason that I (yes a solo player at the time) went to burst Faregyl was because AD interfered with the DC scroll run. The EP had both of your scrolls so you couldn't have touched our scroll but instead of going for your own scrolls, you decided to interfere with the DC attempting to reclaim our scroll. Why didn't the AD take advantage of the distraction of the DC scroll run to get their scrolls back from the EP? At the time, AD had half of the Emp keeps, why would you not push Emp or get your own scrolls back? That would have been logical, but AD doesn't care about winning, they just wanted to troll the DC. So, just a little warning, if AD does the same thing again, I will have to burst one of your keeps again and the next time, I might have company enough to take the keep.

MountainHound

Well, now AD has got a presence and are head to head with EP but the DC faction that was fighting since day 1 is now 8k points behind. How is that not demotivating to anyone on DC forcing them to quit and give up?

Cathexis

Was discussing this with other guildies a couple days ago. They should really scale scoring with population activity.

For example something like

-If a faction has a low population below a threshold, their keeps/scrolls/resources are worth no score
-keeps/scrolls/resources increase in value for the higher pop side(s) as the player to player ratio between the corresponding side(s) evens out

This way scoring only matters if players are available to defend.
Sides are motivated to continue fighting because any two sides can raise their score above a frozen side through combat.

That's it. Scoring balanced.