Stamina Morph anytime soon?

MaxwellC

Just as the title says I was wondering if @ZOS_RichLambert mentioned anything regarding the DK abilities during the live stream and the much needed stam morps for them.
I really want a stam flame lash stamina variant that scales off my max stamina, please @ZOS_RichLambert

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Alucardo

Take my money

wrathofrraath

Flame Lash should be stam all day, just leave molten whip magicka. We gave you Unstable Flame and have Burning Embers' gnarly heal, you can have Flame Lash's gnarly heal.

Alucardo

wrathofrraath wrote: »

Flame Lash should be stam all day, just leave molten whip magicka. We gave you Unstable Flame and have Burning Embers' gnarly heal, you can have Flame Lash's gnarly heal.

That's a deal.

MaxwellC

I know right, if we got flame lash as a stamina morph that would just be awesome since the damage would be a much needed thing for all DKs plus the heals would be fantastic!

Legedric

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Just as the title says I was wondering if @ZOS_RichLambert mentioned anything regarding the DK abilities during the live stream and the much needed stam morps for them.
I really want a stam flame lash stamina variant that scales off my max stamina, please @ZOS_RichLambert

-Discuss

No, not a single word.

Neither Rich Lambert nor The Wrobel (both were on the show) said anything worth mentioning you are not already able to read on the DLC website or the PTS patchnotes...

Alucardo

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I know right, if we got flame lash as a stamina morph that would just be awesome since the damage would be a much needed thing for all DKs plus the heals would be fantastic!

Yep. I'm all for magicka dumps in stam builds, but I just feel like DK has far too many at the moment. Hardened armour, igneous shield, then for a heal I'll drop talons, flame lash and then again for the power lash. That's a butt load of magicka for a stamina setup. It would be greatly balanced out if lash wash was stam morphed. Magicka DKs will still have their spammable damage dealing version of lava whip, while stam DKs get access to a heal.

SirCritical

Swallow Soul to be stamina based. Funnel Health could remain magicka based, as a basic ability for NB healers, but this stamina morph would be good for those who can't/don't want to reach Vigor.

Asmael

My Magicka DK disagrees and will kill anyone attempting to take her Lava whip.

My Stam DK says "Might as well stick to Puncture + Master's Sword".

#TimeForAThirdMorphForAllSkills?

Alucardo

SirCritical wrote: »

Swallow Soul to be stamina based. Funnel Health could remain magicka based, as a basic ability for NB healers, but this stamina morph would be good for those who can't/don't want to reach Vigor.

Yeah I'm rank 4 at the moment - just over half way to 5. It takes a long time to gather enough AP in DC on BWB. Overall I just feel like it's one of those spells that should definitely have a stam morph - kind of like Biting Jabs for templars, surprise attack for Nightblades, and Sorcs.. well, yeah, I guess they got bound armaments hue.

ZigoSid

I approve !

wrathofrraath

Asmael wrote: »

My Magicka DK disagrees and will kill anyone attempting to take her Lava whip.

My Stam DK says "Might as well stick to Puncture + Master's Sword".

#TimeForAThirdMorphForAllSkills?

Or just make everything scale off the highest stat.

Boom.

LBxFinalDeath

Know what could do with a stamina morph?

The werewolf healing skill.

I mean it is meant for stamina builds after all.

Alucardo

wrathofrraath wrote: »

Or just make everything scale off the highest stat.

Boom.

While this does seem like a good idea, I do like to have magicka sinks so I'm not digging into my stamina primarily. I find it better for sustainability

Alucardo

Asmael wrote: »

My Magicka DK disagrees and will kill anyone attempting to take her Lava whip.

My Stam DK says "Might as well stick to Puncture + Master's Sword".

#TimeForAThirdMorphForAllSkills?

I would be all for the puncture and master sword combo, but my chances of getting one are pretty slim in BWB

Avalon

Why not just make all abilities based on whichever stat is highest?

Molag_Crow

Yes. I'm lvling my DK and I was quite surprised that there's no Stamina morph on Flame Lash AND the Werewolf howl, but then again... wouldn't you think that a werewolf stamina heal could be slightly OP in a way? @LBxFinalDeath

MaxwellC

Sorry magicka DKs they could either provide both versions of whip morph to give heals (magicka gets extra flame damage + heals, while stamina gets weapon/stamina scale + heals).

As a stam DK I often run out of magicka so much that I had to put reduction of magicka cost (v16 legendary) on both my rings just to keep it low enough. I use Magicka only for keeping me alive e.g. dragons blood in combination with igenous shield. If they gave me flame lash as a stamina morph then I could easily get a cc on them with talons followed up with power lash on those talon'd.

LBxFinalDeath

Since every other skill takes stamina and drains your pool pretty fast....I'd personally say it wouldn't be OP in PvP at least.

Would it add a lot more survivability to werewolves? Yes.

Do WW need survivability since they are basically a giant "attack me" sign to enemies in PvP? Yes.

I can see it being semi-OP in PvE though due to the lack of 30+ players potentially raining down death and destruction on you...and of course the non-gimped heal is pretty large.

This is all just my opinion though.

Molag_Crow

Yeah tbh I would prefer a Stamina morph to the Werewolf heal for PvP especially. The only time I've seen Werewolves shine in PvP is when they have Emperor.

Anhedonie

This is what I can't really understand. Making Flame Lash a stamina morph is so obvious, this idea just pokes you in the eyes.

ZOS_Julien

Hello there,

Thread moved in Combat & Character Mechanics.

MaxwellC

@ZOS_Julien

Julien why must you mess with the forum post >.<!

danno8

Stamina...magicka...after a while you kind of wonder what the difference is anymore.

All stamina morphs of magical abilities still look and feel magical. I wish they would add new "weapon oriented" skills in the class lines rather than shoehorning weird magical stamina morphs that make no sense aesthetically.

SneaK

NO!!!!! Strongly against this.

That would only cripple Magicka DKs even more. Stamina users have access to great DPS and heals already.... you have Rally and Vigor, which are pretty much the best heals in PvP at the moment.

Alucardo

ZOS_Julien wrote: »

Hello there,

Thread moved in Combat & Character Mechanics.

DUDE. I was hoping for something constructive

Alucardo

SneaK wrote: »

NO!!!!! Strongly against this.

That would only cripple Magicka DKs even more. Stamina users have access to great DPS and heals already.... you have Rally and Vigor, which are pretty much the best heals in PvP at the moment.

I'm sick to death of people telling me I have to use a 2h for heals. It's getting really tiresome. Why can't I use S+B on both bars and at least have one class heal ability (do not even mention DB).

SneaK

Alucardo wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

NO!!!!! Strongly against this.

That would only cripple Magicka DKs even more. Stamina users have access to great DPS and heals already.... you have Rally and Vigor, which are pretty much the best heals in PvP at the moment.

I'm sick to death of people telling me I have to use a 2h for heals. It's getting really tiresome. Why can't I use S+B on both bars and at least have one class heal ability (do not even mention DB).

Use Vigor. Even Templars don't have a Stamina heal. You also stated earlier you like to have "magicka sinks", so, wait for it.... use GDB.

Alucardo

SneaK wrote: »

Use Vigor. Even Templars don't have a Stamina heal. You also stated earlier you like to have "magicka sinks", so, wait for it.... use GDB.

"Use Vigor" - the goto guy for heals, right? Wrong. What if you're a PVEr? You have to slog through months of PVP just to obtain this spell. I'm still working for it now and I PVP on a daily basis.
GDB no longer gives us the 33% healing, so it's absolutely useless and not many people use it any more.

drzycki_ESO

My stamina DK would love this but my magicka DK thinks she's gimped enough and doesn't want to lose anymore options.

Alucardo

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

My stamina DK would love this but my magicka DK thinks she's gimped enough and doesn't want to lose anymore options.

I definitely agree Magicka DK needs some love, but at the moment they have both the most reliable heals in the DK skill lines: Embers and Lava whip. Stamina users are forced to reach outside their favourite class and seek alternative routes like Vigor (only available by doing a lot of PVP) and Rally (forces you to use a 2h weapon). It just doesn't seem very fair.
They should give stam users whip, but absolutely look into other ways to make magicka dks useful again.