The Orsinium DLC

charisma316

Okay lets make Elder Scrolls Online A Solo Game cause after all this isnt a MMO which means Massive Multiplayer Online lets completely disregard that and put out a SOLO One Person Arena so we can distance ourselves as a community and do stuff alone and group even less than we do already cause you tend to make it so hard for us to group as is

and Hey Zenimax also a Champions Points Cap????????????

Hello Lets nerf our loyla players who come here day in day out and play the game and do content to earn the champions points and lets bring in a system of nerfing everyone cause a few kids in PVP dont like being killed

SORRRYYYY GUYS but if you take the time to earn your power and get lots of champions points you should by right be more powerful than someone who just picked up the game this is another pvp nerf you guys are imposing to screw over the entire game in general as the majority of Elder Scrolls Players ARE PVE Players and we could care less about having a online e peen contest on who is somebody stronger in a video game so dont screw over your loyal fan base because we earned our champions points and wanna earn more so we can be strong as crap for our PVE Content

Let Alone Both consoles have a ACHIEVEMENT yes for gettting 1200 champions points for each Warrior Mage and Thief which nobody has anyway but lets put a goal in front of your players and then say No sorry guys you cant do it

before you put out these changes think about what your doing

If I wanted a solo game where im told i can only be this strong no matter how much i play i will play a SIngle Player Game not an MMO

Release some Group Content and scale the existing trials so people actually group together then give us this lame SOLO Arena Content

I love this game but you guys are ruining it in so many ways

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AnAngryGinger

Heh heh. e peens

Prof_Bawbag

They'll probably tweak the achievement. However, to a lot of people it would be no more unobtainable than the Emperor achievement. I find it hard to believe that anyone with a full time job and any sort of family/social life added onto that could ever obtain the emperor achievement.

Even if I was by far the best PvPer out there, I still simply wouldn't have the time to get that one.

OtarTheMad

This is the first solo content to come out since launch. Group content, although weak, came out all of the first year and a half. Before you blow a fuse I did say they were weak but still it was group content.

The nerfs I am not a fan of and the Champion Point cap HAD to happen, I am sorry. If you played on the PTS when they gave us testers all of the points- you could clearly notice the difference. With max CPs you could solo keeps, resources, trials, DSA and vDSA. It was a joke. The fact that some people grinded until there eyes bled probably led to this cap because I know of players who already have over 1,000.

ZOS has never made it a secret that they prefer to cater to both crowds, solo players and group players, and this is the solo players turn. Murkmire is right around the corner which is Craglorn Jr. So I wouldn't freak out so quickly.

imredneckson

charisma316 wrote: »

Okay lets make Elder Scrolls Online A Solo Game cause after all this isnt a MMO which means Massive Multiplayer Online lets completely disregard that and put out a SOLO One Person Arena so we can distance ourselves as a community and do stuff alone and group even less than we do already cause you tend to make it so hard for us to group as is

and Hey Zenimax also a Champions Points Cap????????????

Hello Lets nerf our loyla players who come here day in day out and play the game and do content to earn the champions points and lets bring in a system of nerfing everyone cause a few kids in PVP dont like being killed

SORRRYYYY GUYS but if you take the time to earn your power and get lots of champions points you should by right be more powerful than someone who just picked up the game this is another pvp nerf you guys are imposing to screw over the entire game in general as the majority of Elder Scrolls Players ARE PVE Players and we could care less about having a online e peen contest on who is somebody stronger in a video game so dont screw over your loyal fan base because we earned our champions points and wanna earn more so we can be strong as crap for our PVE Content

Let Alone Both consoles have a ACHIEVEMENT yes for gettting 1200 champions points for each Warrior Mage and Thief which nobody has anyway but lets put a goal in front of your players and then say No sorry guys you cant do it

before you put out these changes think about what your doing

If I wanted a solo game where im told i can only be this strong no matter how much i play i will play a SIngle Player Game not an MMO

Release some Group Content and scale the existing trials so people actually group together then give us this lame SOLO Arena Content

I love this game but you guys are ruining it in so many ways

I don't know enough about this DLC yet so I'm going to do some more research on it and pray to the Nine that this DLC works out with good content, fun gameplay, and some just much needed patch work.

BackFreckle

You can still get the achievment, the cap is only for points you can allocate per season cap

Xendyn

Bolding the pertinent parts

At this time, you will not be able to allocate more than 501 Champion Points.

Anyone that has over 501 Champion Points when the Orsinium DLC game pack is published will have all their Champion Points reset, and will only be able to allocate 501 Champion Points.
You will not lose any points over 501, you just won’t be able to spend them.
You can continue to earn Champion Points over the cap, but won’t be able to spend them until the next time the cap is raised.


Now, where's that lol dump truck...

Epona222

I love incoherent rants!

charisma316

Epona222 wrote: »

I love incoherent rants!

is reading hard for you

Epona222

LOLOLOL.

Apparently not as hard as writing, spelling, and grammar are for some.

SHADOW2KK

Love the rant though OP, basically ranting about CPs, so it is not fair on everyone as it is as you said a MMO, that everyone plays to make it fairer, you do not lose the CPs you have gained.

In general your rant seems to stem from the fact that you are possibly a high CP player who feels threatened and has major epeen issues about many things.

Qyrk

charisma316 wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I love incoherent rants!

is reading hard for you

Not as hard as spelling and grammar, capitalisation and coherent writing, it seems. (Epona beat me to it )

SHADOW2KK

Qyrk wrote: »

charisma316 wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I love incoherent rants!

is reading hard for you

Not as hard as spelling and grammar, capitalisation and coherent writing, it seems.

This

LEGENDARYYY

I'm fine with solo content for an MMO. Even though its a massive multiplayer online game it doesn't mean that everyone has to be bunched up at all times.

Variety is the key to success in my opinion.

SHADOW2KK

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

I'm fine with solo content for an MMO. Even though its a massive multiplayer online game it doesn't mean that everyone has to be bunched up at all times.

Variety is the key to success in my opinion.

Exactly, there should be something for everyone.

NativeJoe

charisma316 wrote: »

Okay lets make Elder Scrolls Online A Solo Game cause after all this isnt a MMO which means Massive Multiplayer Online lets completely disregard that and put out a SOLO One Person Arena so we can distance ourselves as a community and do stuff alone and group even less than we do already cause you tend to make it so hard for us to group as is

~~~~~Nativejoe: it's supposed to be a EVERYTHING sort of game. thats why their ambitions far out pace their actual product. this is just another step towards that. every play style, every time schedule... in short ...no matter how you choose to spend your time in eso, your supposed to have meaningful progress, and feel like it too.

and Hey Zenimax also a Champions Points Cap????????????

Hello Lets nerf our loyla players who come here day in day out and play the game and do content to earn the champions points and lets bring in a system of nerfing everyone cause a few kids in PVP dont like being killed

SORRRYYYY GUYS but if you take the time to earn your power and get lots of champions points you should by right be more powerful than someone who just picked up the game this is another pvp nerf you guys are imposing to screw over the entire game in general as the majority of Elder Scrolls Players ARE PVE Players and we could care less about having a online e peen contest on who is somebody stronger in a video game so dont screw over your loyal fan base because we earned our champions points and wanna earn more so we can be strong as crap for our PVE Content

Let Alone Both consoles have a ACHIEVEMENT yes for gettting 1200 champions points for each Warrior Mage and Thief which nobody has anyway but lets put a goal in front of your players and then say No sorry guys you cant do it

before you put out these changes think about what your doing

~~~~~Nativejoe: They have spent months thinking about it. and people with 1500+ CP showing off by being unkillable vs bosses they designed for 12 man teams, and people being nearly invincible in pvp vs 5~10 people is ridiculousness. It's game breaking which is the long and short of it. establishing "seasons" is the only way to "slow" the power creep. The disparity between a new player and a old player shouldn't be held in just the CP. Trust me... ur skill cancling, macro's and knowledge base will still give you more then enough of a edge...so stop the panic. in the long term this won't solve the issue completely ..because in a years time the disparity between a new comer and a elite will be right back to where it is today. it's just a bandaid. It's not going to kill the game, because wow and every other mmo out there back in the day had *yearly* resets where everyone was thrown back in the same level playing field and had to regear and the new comers could then angle themselves to get on band wagon towards progression. ESO has a serious issue they created. they don't have this option do to the champion point system....and no one knows how to fix it.

If I wanted a solo game where im told i can only be this strong no matter how much i play i will play a SIngle Player Game not an MMO

Release some Group Content and scale the existing trials so people actually group together then give us this lame SOLO Arena Content

I love this game but you guys are ruining it in so many ways

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Keepercraft

Some stuff find in internet

freespirit

Xendyn wrote: »

Bolding the pertinent parts

At this time, you will not be able to allocate more than 501 Champion Points.

Anyone that has over 501 Champion Points when the Orsinium DLC game pack is published will have all their Champion Points reset, and will only be able to allocate 501 Champion Points.
You will not lose any points over 501, you just won’t be able to spend them.
You can continue to earn Champion Points over the cap, but won’t be able to spend them until the next time the cap is raised.


Now, where's that lol dump truck...

@Xendyn especially for you......

Korah_Eaglecry

You can still group for the actual 20 hours of new quests through out the zone.

You can still group for the two new open dungeons.

You can continue to go back and redo dungeons through out the game.

You can still go into PvP and group up.

You can still group up for Trials.

You just cant group for ONE SINGLE ENDGAME ARENA!


But lets keep fearmongering. And pretending as if this ONE SINGLE ZONE. Is going to be the end of group content. The end of Trials (Which we know for a fact we are getting more of). Lets pretend you poor little Hardcore Endgamers, who have had endgame content far longer than PvPers and Casual PvEers, are being chased out of the game. That ZOS doesnt care about you. That this one zone is destroying the MMO atmosphere.

Because you know. Its not as if this kind of whining. Is actually going to amount to anything.

Zorrashi

Why wouldn't there be a new solo zone?
The demand is there. With their title and advertising, they attracted no small number of solo players. With that sort of audience it is totally ok (and even expected) for them to create content that is tailored to them.

But it is important to remember that not all of the game is tailored toward them. As it stands, the solo player has had no new endgame content since release. With lower and upper Craglorn they tried to satisfy group PvEers, with the Imperial City they tried to satisfy PvPers, and now they are going to try and satisfy solo PvEers.

Just chill, it is simply our turn in the DLC rotation...your time will come son enough. But I would like to leave on the note that MMO does not necessarily mean "you have to group". It just means that there is more than one player around in the game world (Massively Multi-player). Solo players have just as much of a right to be here as any grouper here.

Keepercraft

Zorrashi wrote: »

Why wouldn't there be a new solo zone?

Because we have one multi adventure zone and one PvP adventure zone.

Remember, Zenimax slowly prepare for change veteran ranks and game will don't have WoW like locations low-lvls. New patch will be scaling mining nodes with your crafting skill, so it is one step to lave veteran lvl system. :]

JD2013

Too much solo content!

Not enough solo content!

Too much group content!

Not enough group content!

This is what ZoS has had to put up with since launch. I wish I could keep score of how many say each one. Tally the numbers.

I kinda feel sorry for them at times, because they are trying to appease people who will never be appeased. They should go back to making the game that THEY want.

UrQuan

JD2013 wrote: »

Too much solo content!

Not enough solo content!

Too much group content!

Not enough group content!

This is what ZoS has had to put up with since launch. I wish I could keep score of how many say each one. Tally the numbers.

I kinda feel sorry for them at times, because they are trying to appease people who will never be appeased. They should go back to making the game that THEY want.

You missed this part:

Too much PVP content!

Not enough PVP content!

SHADOW2KK

UrQuan wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Too much solo content!

Not enough solo content!

Too much group content!

Not enough group content!

This is what ZoS has had to put up with since launch. I wish I could keep score of how many say each one. Tally the numbers.

I kinda feel sorry for them at times, because they are trying to appease people who will never be appeased. They should go back to making the game that THEY want.

You missed this part:

Too much PVP content!

Not enough PVP content!

Naw sorry matey, not valid imo, theres never actually been PvP content, IC does not count, but defo agree on the not enough PvP content, you get used to it, been like that from day 1..

LordSemaj

charisma316 wrote: »

Hello Lets nerf our loyla players who come here day in day out and play the game and do content to earn the champions points and lets bring in a system of nerfing everyone cause a few kids in PVP dont like being killed

This is less of an issue for them than you may think. The game is a Buy to Play model, not a sub or free to play game.

In a Subscription game, everyone is equal and developers focus on what content and changes will generate them the most concurrent subscriptions. The more players playing simultaneously, the more money they are receiving. So content that encourages being on EVERY SINGLE DAY (like freakishly long WoW Daily Quests) is encouraged in a subscription game. Grinding reputation, grinding for points, grinding in general is encouraged with Raiding being the big ticket money maker since even if the raid goes perfectly, only half the players get a single piece of usable loot. Better wait till next week and try again (longer sub time). Those of you who have played this game since launch may have noticed how drastically it has changed over time, due in no small part to a change in business model.

In a Free to Play game, the 1% of addicts are paying for 99% of the costs. Casuals and free players don't matter aside from inflating the number of users logged in to create a functioning social experience. They also serve as work mules for the payers by supplying them with materials that require time investment (grinding) while they pay the free players in premium currency. Neverwinter has a gold exchange program so that players who pay for premium currency don't have farm gold themselves and can sell their real money exchanges to the grinders. This lets them purchase things on the auction house they actually want, encouraging a loot system that doesn't bind gear on pickup. But as the 1% are where all the money is actually coming from, developers are encouraged to create content and cash shop items that appeal to THEM. Addiction mechanics and jackpot boxes become the norm as the goal is to get a single person to spend his life savings.

But again, this is a Buy to Play game. Subscriptions exist but they comprise a mixture of Veterans and Newbies, anyone who simply doesn't feel like going without the extra XP bonuses or the "free" crowns it comes with. So there really aren't any differences to exploit as anyone who buys the game or buys a DLC is paying the same as anyone else who does it. Which places emphasis for the developers on drawing in NEW PLAYERS! The old players, the loyal veterans as you put, don't matter anymore unless they are purchasing DLC regularly. To keep them, one simply needs to provide DLC worthy of purchase. If they quit for three months between each DLC, who cares? What's vitally important is attracting fresh blood that will purchase the base game and all existing DLC. Whether they end up playing all of the content doesn't even matter just so long as the purchase is made. This encourages developers to put forth mechanics that make getting into the game EASIER. This includes lowering XP requirements to level (such as the VR nerfs), reducing barriers to entry (such as the CP cap/catch-up), and having slightly outdated gear easily obtained (no one needs V14 gear resources anymore, easy catch up).

Presently, they're doing right by their business model. A model which does not promote daily player retention but instead banks on new blood and new content for sale. As long as you buy Orsinium for the new gear and zones, they couldn't care less if you're unhappy that you can't progress any further. If it starts affecting sales, they'll do something about it.

Lord Xanhorn

Go back to the V10 zone you did in Calwell's Gold. Now pay 25 bucks to do it again...No thanks. I'll pass.

UrQuan

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Too much solo content!

Not enough solo content!

Too much group content!

Not enough group content!

This is what ZoS has had to put up with since launch. I wish I could keep score of how many say each one. Tally the numbers.

I kinda feel sorry for them at times, because they are trying to appease people who will never be appeased. They should go back to making the game that THEY want.

You missed this part:

Too much PVP content!

Not enough PVP content!

Naw sorry matey, not valid imo, theres never actually been PvP content, IC does not count, but defo agree on the not enough PvP content, you get used to it, been like that from day 1..

You completely missed the point...

Sabaticus

Fantastic DLC. Just what was needed. Now all flavors of players can play their game the way they enjoy it. Solo, group, or PvP. Happiness reigns in the lands.

NBrookus

Wasn't just a month ago a ton of wailing and gnashing of teeth that there was no PvE for solo players in IC?

SHADOW2KK

Sabaticus wrote: »

Fantastic DLC. Just what was needed. Now all flavors of players can play their game the way they enjoy it. Solo, group, or PvP. Happiness reigns in the lands.

Defo sounds good in theory, but I am sure some of us will find something to rant/whine/want something nerfed, as per usual.

Cant please everyone.

I however like the sound of it, although more of a hybrid player.

Volkodav

Ya know what's really sad? The insane amount of demands everyone puts on ZOS.When I got into this game,I never once thought about the monetary reasons ZOS had for this or that.What add ons for X amount of money,or how they jockey to get new players so they can make more money.Money,money,money.That's all everyone on these forums seem to think of. What does it matter if you dont get more points.Yet all I see is gimme more,more,more. It just seems that this is all people want.More of this or more of that.No caps,want more rewards,dont get enough of what this one wants,or that one wants.
You're all kinda beating your heads into the walls with frustration,when they've given us so much already.A whole lot more than most other MMOs,and more care with lore,looks,and content.If there isnt enough of what you want,just adjust your want list a bit and ease off.Enjoy what you have to play with.
Yeah,I have my own little wish list,but I'm not going bugnutz cos I cant have what I want. Everyone should be old enough here to know you cant always get what you want.
(just my humble opinion)