Is it true ? Did they listen to our prayers regarding Cloak ?

Dracane

Today in guild chats, I've seen people talking about an incoming cloak penalty. Source is supposed to be a Dev comment or something (I'm not sure)
They've said, you will no longer regenerate Magicka while cloaked.

Great news in my opinion I've expected a cost stack, but it's still awesome.
So does anyone know something official about this ? Even if not, so far all rumors regarding TESO were true. There were many rumors in the past and they turned out to be true. So maybe there is hope and Nightblade supremacy might get turned down by a bit *Fingers crossed*

Someone was so friendly to post the source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2274406/#Comment_2274406

It was a comment from Gina Bruno

"Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.

Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time."

UltimaJoe777

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

If true the tears on this board will be real. On the flip side be careful what you wish for as less defensive options mean more, ahem MOAR, offensive spam.

TequilaFire

Now if we can just get Crystal Frags nerfed as well.
Really though the nerfs need to end.

Gilvoth

if you seriously think that not only nightblades but also cloak is overpowered, then you need some guidance and directing in what is happening in elderscrolls online with the nightblade class and all of its weaknesses and inabilities to not only keep up with damage output but also survivability.

we have had some help recently with the last big patch, but we are still behind in our class compared to the other classes in both survivability and also damage output.
its been this way since beta.
nothing about the ability to cast invisibility is doing any harm or damage to anyone at all. infact compare it to bolt escape that enables them to not only harm you with damage from it but also STUN you? that is a bit over powered for an escape ability.
casting invisibility to escape when we need to survive is not overpowered.

Dracane

TequilaFire wrote: »

Now if we can just get Crystal Frags nerfed as well.
Really though the nerfs need to end.

Blockable, dodgeable, reflectable, only a 35% chance to proc. Easy enough to counter Sorcerer can't spam class abilities, at least give them something good which is frags

Dracane

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if you seriously think that not only nightblades but also cloak is overpowered, then you need some guidance and directing in what is happening in elderscrolls online with the nightblade class and all of its weaknesses and inabilities to not only keep up with damage output but also survivability.

we have had some help recently with the last big patch, but we are still behind in our class compared to the other classes in both survivability and also damage output.
its been this way since beta.
nothing about the ability to cast invisibility is doing any harm or damage to anyone at all. infact compare it to bolt escape that enables them to not only harm you with damage from it but also STUN you? that is a bit over powered for an escape ability.
casting invisibility to escape when we need to survive is not overpowered.

Then you have no pvped and haven't experienced the frustration. Nightblade is the hardest class to kill by a large margin unless you don't fully focus your build on hunting Nightblades and even then....

ColoursYouHave

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

Dracane

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

Especially all those Stamina Nightblades claiming they could only cloak 3 times. Pff
They can cloak and roll dodge as often as they want. I see it EVERY day and it's not funny at all. They can just spam all of that and still hit like a god. Nightblades have full control over each battle, they can decide what is going to happen and what not.

Yes sure, bad Nightblades are easy to kill. But bad Templars and Sorcerers are even easier to kill So this is no argument.

Gilvoth

Dracane wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if you seriously think that not only nightblades but also cloak is overpowered, then you need some guidance and directing in what is happening in elderscrolls online with the nightblade class and all of its weaknesses and inabilities to not only keep up with damage output but also survivability.

we have had some help recently with the last big patch, but we are still behind in our class compared to the other classes in both survivability and also damage output.
its been this way since beta.
nothing about the ability to cast invisibility is doing any harm or damage to anyone at all. infact compare it to bolt escape that enables them to not only harm you with damage from it but also STUN you? that is a bit over powered for an escape ability.
casting invisibility to escape when we need to survive is not overpowered.

Then you have no pvped and haven't experienced the frustration. Nightblade is the hardest class to kill by a large margin unless you don't fully focus your build on hunting Nightblades and even then....

i started eso in early beta almost 3 years ago and as soon as i got to level 10 on early release i stayed perminantly in cryodiil, and only left for the main quest and some short pve things to get me more skyshards and points.
i live perminantly in the imperial city sewers, so i know a bit more then what your suggesting.

Xantaria

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if you seriously think that not only nightblades but also cloak is overpowered, then you need some guidance and directing in what is happening in elderscrolls online with the nightblade class and all of its weaknesses and inabilities to not only keep up with damage output but also survivability.

we have had some help recently with the last big patch, but we are still behind in our class compared to the other classes in both survivability and also damage output.
its been this way since beta.
nothing about the ability to cast invisibility is doing any harm or damage to anyone at all. infact compare it to bolt escape that enables them to not only harm you with damage from it but also STUN you? that is a bit over powered for an escape ability.
casting invisibility to escape when we need to survive is not overpowered.

/lol

UltimaJoe777

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if you seriously think that not only nightblades but also cloak is overpowered, then you need some guidance and directing in what is happening in elderscrolls online with the nightblade class and all of its weaknesses and inabilities to not only keep up with damage output but also survivability.

we have had some help recently with the last big patch, but we are still behind in our class compared to the other classes in both survivability and also damage output.
its been this way since beta.
nothing about the ability to cast invisibility is doing any harm or damage to anyone at all. infact compare it to bolt escape that enables them to not only harm you with damage from it but also STUN you? that is a bit over powered for an escape ability.
casting invisibility to escape when we need to survive is not overpowered.

Yeah gonna have to disagree with you here. Nightblades are nowhere near as bad off as you claim. Seriously who gives a f**k about metagame builds that's all anyone ever talks about and it blinds them to true potential.

Gilvoth

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

im not saying your lying, but, i dont believe what your saying is the truth.

ColoursYouHave

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

im not saying your lying, but, i dont believe what your saying is the truth.

Do you have a non-vet AD character? I'll go into BWB right now and show you...

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

I hope that the cloak gets nerfed a lot, got attacked by a NB the other day in the sewers for a minute or two, he never got out of stealth long enough to be attacked, sure, he couldn't kill me but still, it's still annoying to not be able to fight back without specific setups just for NB's

Levo18

Aright since the whiners won and NBs will become useless which class do we pick next to totally destroy? Maybe sorc again? Oh no DK it has to be DK so guys lets find something about DK and cry for nerfs the next weeks 24/7 .

/sarcasm off

Seriously this game will die faster than expected with all those nerfs....

Dracane

Nightblade is the master class, how can you even try to disagree ?
In Imperial city, they have FULL control. They can reset a battle whenever they wish (also in Cyrodiil) things are not working the way you want ? No problem, cloak solves the problem for you or yeeees why not pulling a boss or monsters and they aggro other players because my overpowered cloak removes all aggro from me.

It was only a matter of time when the cloak penalty comes. Bolt Escape is no more, blocking isn't as reliable as it used to be, roll dodging is supposed to be weaker (which appearently is not the case for Nightblade, they can permadodge like every before in some cases). But cloak is OP. This explains why most people play Nightblades, there are so many of them, because Nightblade is the only class with an escape that has no penalty

Xantaria

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

im not saying your lying, but, i dont believe what your saying is the truth.

Do you have a non-vet AD character? I'll go into BWB right now and show you...

It's true people can cloak forever, I'm seeing it on a daily basis.

Isbilen

If you are still looking for the source, it's here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2274406/#Comment_2274406

Xantaria

The worst thing about cloak is this:

A nightblade can whenever he sees that the fight is not going in his favour reset the fight at any given time without any penalty. He has complete control on the fight.

Dracane

Levo18 wrote: »

Aright since the whiners won and NBs will become useless which class do we pick next to totally destroy? Maybe sorc again? Oh no DK it has to be DK so guys lets find something about DK and cry for nerfs the next weeks 24/7 .

/sarcasm off

Seriously this game will die faster than expected with all those nerfs....

Blocking got nerfed, bolt escape, shields and roll dodge. Cloak got buffed/fixed (even though this skill never said anything about canceling gap closers, so I count this as a buff) and of course the heavy nerf to detection potions. It's obvious that cloak, which used to be ultra strong even before gets nerfed now to be in line with everything else.

Gilvoth

lets take a look at a recent discussion reguarding your post,

QUOTE:

Ever since they bug fixed cloak alongside releasing IC cloak has been the center of attention for a lot of players. Did people not think mixing pve with pvp in tight sewers with hard hitting mobs that NB's wouldn't be the ones to shine? especially mixing pver's and pvper's together.

As a Magicka NB i can tell a huge difference between players who know how to play vs players in IC just for stones. If i fight an experienced player I usually find myself in a lot of trouble, between caltrops/detect pots/magelight/other AOE's/mark target. I don't have huge shields, I don't have class heals, I'm not super tanky.

I have been wrecked by abnormally tanky DK's who take flight for 10-15k dmg.
I have been wrecked by sorcs who can still streak multiple times and hit like a truck with 13k light attacks (overload or so)/crystal frag procs for 10k
I have been wrecked by templars who are competent and dont just smash their head on the keyboard hoping to out heal everything.
I have been wrecked by wrecking blow spammers who hit for 9k an attack

The list could go on for a while but oh cloak is the issue yes cloak. Take some time and learn how to play your class, ask for advice, ask for tips how to deal with something. Don't just come and cry nerf. This generation of MMO players are truly cancer.

end quote:

source:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219383/cloak-only-an-issue-since-imperial-city/p1

Dracane

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

lets take a look at a recent discussion reguarding your post,

QUOTE:

Ever since they bug fixed cloak alongside releasing IC cloak has been the center of attention for a lot of players. Did people not think mixing pve with pvp in tight sewers with hard hitting mobs that NB's wouldn't be the ones to shine? especially mixing pver's and pvper's together.

As a Magicka NB i can tell a huge difference between players who know how to play vs players in IC just for stones. If i fight an experienced player I usually find myself in a lot of trouble, between caltrops/detect pots/magelight/other AOE's/mark target. I don't have huge shields, I don't have class heals, I'm not super tanky.

I have been wrecked by abnormally tanky DK's who take flight for 10-15k dmg.
I have been wrecked by sorcs who can still streak multiple times and hit like a truck with 13k light attacks (overload or so)/crystal frag procs for 10k
I have been wrecked by templars who are competent and dont just smash their head on the keyboard hoping to out heal everything.
I have been wrecked by wrecking blow spammers who hit for 9k an attack

The list could go on for a while but oh cloak is the issue yes cloak. Take some time and learn how to play your class, ask for advice, ask for tips how to deal with something. Don't just come and cry nerf. This generation of MMO players are truly cancer.

end quote:

source:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219383/cloak-only-an-issue-since-imperial-city/p1

Tell the person who wrote this: You are a bad Nightblade and need to learn how to be OP, which is easy with this class.
(agreed though, Mark target is extreeemly strong) But only available to Nightblades, how much controversy.
In fact I'd say Mark Target needs a nerf. It's detection component should only last 10 seconds.

TequilaFire

Dracane wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Now if we can just get Crystal Frags nerfed as well.
Really though the nerfs need to end.

Blockable, dodgeable, reflectable, only a 35% chance to proc. Easy enough to counter Sorcerer can't spam class abilities, at least give them something good which is frags

With a ridiculous range and quite spammable.
I have a vet sorc so I know.

Xantaria

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

lets take a look at a recent discussion reguarding your post,

QUOTE:

Ever since they bug fixed cloak alongside releasing IC cloak has been the center of attention for a lot of players. Did people not think mixing pve with pvp in tight sewers with hard hitting mobs that NB's wouldn't be the ones to shine? especially mixing pver's and pvper's together.

As a Magicka NB i can tell a huge difference between players who know how to play vs players in IC just for stones. If i fight an experienced player I usually find myself in a lot of trouble, between caltrops/detect pots/magelight/other AOE's/mark target. I don't have huge shields, I don't have class heals, I'm not super tanky.

I have been wrecked by abnormally tanky DK's who take flight for 10-15k dmg.
I have been wrecked by sorcs who can still streak multiple times and hit like a truck with 13k light attacks (overload or so)/crystal frag procs for 10k
I have been wrecked by templars who are competent and dont just smash their head on the keyboard hoping to out heal everything.
I have been wrecked by wrecking blow spammers who hit for 9k an attack

The list could go on for a while but oh cloak is the issue yes cloak. Take some time and learn how to play your class, ask for advice, ask for tips how to deal with something. Don't just come and cry nerf. This generation of MMO players are truly cancer.

end quote:

source:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219383/cloak-only-an-issue-since-imperial-city/p1

Did you just write that you don't have heals as a magicka nightblade?

I'm stunned

Dracane

TequilaFire wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Now if we can just get Crystal Frags nerfed as well.
Really though the nerfs need to end.

Blockable, dodgeable, reflectable, only a 35% chance to proc. Easy enough to counter Sorcerer can't spam class abilities, at least give them something good which is frags

With a ridiculous range and quite spammable.
I have a vet sorc so I know.

Are you talking about Hardcasted Crystal Shards ? They don't hit really hard and even more predictable than frag procs.

IKilled007

They should just take all the night blade skills away. We've been playing since beta with most of our stuff broken and it's made us the best players in the game. We don't need weapons. We don't need armor. We don't need skills. Might as well take stealth away from us. We're still going to kill you all.

CP5

Dracane wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Now if we can just get Crystal Frags nerfed as well.
Really though the nerfs need to end.

Blockable, dodgeable, reflectable, only a 35% chance to proc. Easy enough to counter Sorcerer can't spam class abilities, at least give them something good which is frags

With a ridiculous range and quite spammable.
I have a vet sorc so I know.

Are you talking about Hardcasted Crystal Shards ? They don't hit really hard and even more predictable than frag procs.

Also "ridiculous range"? It has the same basic 'long range' as most every other skill, with the only exceptions being things like snipe, arrow barrage, and the hawk eye set (+3m bow range).

Malmai

Dracane wrote: »

Today in guild chats, I've seen people talking about an incoming cloak penalty. Source is supposed to be a Dev comment or something (I'm not sure)
They've said, you will no longer regenerate Magicka while cloaked.

Great news in my opinion I've expected a cost stack, but it's still awesome.
So does anyone know something official about this ? Even if not, so far all rumors regarding TESO were true. There were many rumors in the past and they turned out to be true. So maybe there is hope and Nightblade supremacy might get turned down by a bit *Fingers crossed*

Well don't know how people can see me if im slowed or i got caltrops on me ? Fix this or dont even nerf...

ColoursYouHave

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

im not saying your lying, but, i dont believe what your saying is the truth.

Xantaria wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not much of a penalty there really. Cloak has always sapped more Magicka than you could regain. Of course rumors are rumors and I have heard nothing of this myself.

I'd have to disagree. My Magicka NB can cloak indefinitely in BWB. Paired with Concealed Weapon's increased movement speed I am almost always cloaked when I'm not on my horse.

That being said, I like the idea of no Magicka regen while cloaking. As it is currently, even when I'm the one running around cloaking everywhere it feels a little bit too powerful.

im not saying your lying, but, i dont believe what your saying is the truth.

Do you have a non-vet AD character? I'll go into BWB right now and show you...

It's true people can cloak forever, I'm seeing it on a daily basis.

Oh believe me, I know. And just in case anybody else doesn't believe it, I just created a video demonstrating that you can cloak forever (watch the magicka bar, you can see multiple times it fills back up to 100%, and this is even without using potions). At the end I also show how quickly NBs can move while cloaked by pairing it with Rapid Maneuvers and Concealed Weapon.

Watch the video here.

LegacyDM

Xantaria wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

lets take a look at a recent discussion reguarding your post,

QUOTE:

Ever since they bug fixed cloak alongside releasing IC cloak has been the center of attention for a lot of players. Did people not think mixing pve with pvp in tight sewers with hard hitting mobs that NB's wouldn't be the ones to shine? especially mixing pver's and pvper's together.

As a Magicka NB i can tell a huge difference between players who know how to play vs players in IC just for stones. If i fight an experienced player I usually find myself in a lot of trouble, between caltrops/detect pots/magelight/other AOE's/mark target. I don't have huge shields, I don't have class heals, I'm not super tanky.

I have been wrecked by abnormally tanky DK's who take flight for 10-15k dmg.
I have been wrecked by sorcs who can still streak multiple times and hit like a truck with 13k light attacks (overload or so)/crystal frag procs for 10k
I have been wrecked by templars who are competent and dont just smash their head on the keyboard hoping to out heal everything.
I have been wrecked by wrecking blow spammers who hit for 9k an attack

The list could go on for a while but oh cloak is the issue yes cloak. Take some time and learn how to play your class, ask for advice, ask for tips how to deal with something. Don't just come and cry nerf. This generation of MMO players are truly cancer.

end quote:

source:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219383/cloak-only-an-issue-since-imperial-city/p1

Did you just write that you don't have heals as a magicka nightblade?

I'm stunned

There is no dedicated instant class heal for NB on par with DK and Templars. At least Sorcs get insane shield stacking and bolt escape to compensate. NB heals are either useless DOTs or rely on being in melee range and doing damage to others. With all the counters to cloak a Magicka NB has to spam cloak to try and escape. Cloak is really our only surviveability skill and if they nerf then a lot of people will unsubscribe. NBs have been through a lot of *** since launch and this is just a slap in the face.