Time to make uppercut interruptible again

Baphomet

With this patch, you can litteraly get in your enemy's face and spam this ability without real consequence.

It's not badly OP, but one would expect that such a powerful ability would have to be used with skill, timing and at some risk, like dark flare, jesus beam, snipe and crystal shards.

The spammage was tolerable in 1.6 but it needs to be adjusted a bit in this build, in my opinion.

xylena

it's pretty much guaranteed to out-dps your opponent since it's so much easier to connect given the nerfs to block and roll... wrecking blow and surprise attack are both OP spammable dps faceroll moves now, but there aren't many other ways to reliably break shield stacks in small scale fights

Makkir

Op honestly has more nerf posts than anyone else on these forums.

Makkir

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2296080/#Comment_2296080

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2296073/#Comment_2296073

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2268238/#Comment_2268238

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2098286/#Comment_2098286

I mean, is there a class you don't want nerfed???

At this point, all anyone can really offer you is

Baphomet

I just like what I think the majority wants - a good, balanced and enjoyable product that is not dictated by FOTM mentality. That's been the goal since beta 2013, but evidently ZOS still needs to be hand-held through the balancing process.

However, it's been a long time since I stopped bother writing walls of text, provide screen shot and numbers and elaborate descriptions because that doesn't get you any further.

But that doesn't mean that misc. issues, oversights and screw-ups shouldn't be pointed out.

Baphomet

Why do defensive, Makkir - does the truth hurt? Or hurt your builds? Please put on your objective glasses and refrain from infantile reactions. That would go a long way.

Makkir

I adapt, like the non cry babies do.

Alucardo

Makkir wrote: »

Op honestly has more nerf posts than anyone else on these forums.

I don't understand. Does that make his point any less valid?

deathscythe

There will never be great balance in a PVP sense. you adjust one thing down another thing becomes too crazy. endless loop. Not like anything is game breaking which should be their first priorities. Like the camo hunter and the recent rearming trap.

Rayste

xylena wrote: »

it's pretty much guaranteed to out-dps your opponent since it's so much easier to connect given the nerfs to block and roll... wrecking blow and surprise attack are both OP spammable dps faceroll moves now, but there aren't many other ways to reliably break shield stacks in small scale fights

Well said. I too agree that wrecking blow and surprise attack are dps facerolls. @ZOS_RichLambert

Wollust

Yea we should just keep on nerfing everything that seems slightly strong

Galalin

Wollust wrote: »

Yea we should just keep on nerfing everything that seems slightly strong

Case and point... the entire DK class... ok a little exaggerated but not all that far from the truth.

DK SCRUB OUT

xylena

Yea we should just keep on nerfing everything that seems slightly strong

it doesn't seem slightly strong, it seems like a 1-button win (and i say this as a WB spamming stam dk myself)... @ZOS has actually responded this patch to player feedback regarding 1-button cheese, hence the changes to block, roll, and bolt escape... here's hoping they do the same for faceroll dps like WB and surprise attack, and also unbreakable shield stack spam

*keep in mind also that the champion system offers several powerful ways to mitigate magic/elemental damage, but nearly nothing for mitigating physical damage, which is exacerbating the problem

danno8

Personally I think the quality of the CC should be scaled back. Damage is fine, uninterruptable is fine, empower is fine. But the knockdown + 3.5s stun is not needed for it to be a solid DPS skill. It puts it over the top.

Galalin

danno8 wrote: »

Personally I think the quality of the CC should be scaled back. Damage is fine, uninterruptable is fine, empower is fine. But the knockdown + 3.5s stun is not needed for it to be a solid DPS skill. It puts it over the top.

You may be onto something here... its just to bad it will more than like be over looked

DK SCRUB OUT

Master_Kas

xylena wrote: »

it's pretty much guaranteed to out-dps your opponent since it's so much easier to connect given the nerfs to block and roll... wrecking blow and surprise attack are both OP spammable dps faceroll moves now, but there aren't many other ways to reliably break shield stacks in small scale fights

Surprise attack op ? Give me a break.

If I recall you wanted a stamina whip.

Wb I can agree with , sanot tough. Then whats next nerf concealed weapon / jabs/sweep, crushing shock maybe?

Seen you and only you complain about surprise attack. If stam dks had stammorph you wouldn't be complaining I guess.

( I was for a stamina whip morph, just seen you complain about a skill nearly noone complains about.

Ara_Valleria

Master_Kas wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

it's pretty much guaranteed to out-dps your opponent since it's so much easier to connect given the nerfs to block and roll... wrecking blow and surprise attack are both OP spammable dps faceroll moves now, but there aren't many other ways to reliably break shield stacks in small scale fights

Surprise attack op ? Give me a break.

If I recall you wanted a stamina whip.

Wb I can agree with , sanot tough. Then whats next nerf concealed weapon / jabs/sweep, crushing shock maybe?

Seen you and only you complain about surprise attack. If stam dks had stammorph you wouldn't be complaining I guess.

( I was for a stamina whip morph, just seen you complain about a skill nearly noone complains about.

Surprise attacks are op.

GreenSoup2HoT

If you could bash uppercut, people would just spam there instant cast's and nothing really will change.

I hate it too but im one of them. I would rather spam wrecking blow then surprise attack. At least i need to stay on target to land the skill.

Trashkan

What about incapacitating strike? No bash can stop that come on people grow up everyone has ccs. Here's an idea get a sword and board and use reverberating bash. If you didn't try yet well its not our fault

Trashkan

Cause it works everytime and not only is it useful against that try reverberating bash next time a templar uses there pokey sticks.

Molag_Crow

Indeed. I don't mean to hi-jack this topic, but if anybody doesn't understand why Wrecking Blow is so flawed and stupid, you may want to come over and have a little look at my topic on the subject of broken CC Immunity and Wrecking Blow.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213831/wrecking-blow-cc-immunity-is-broken-video-proof/p1

Trashkan

It's like talking to a brick wall... for everyone who thinks it's so easy to hit someone in pvp with this I test you to try with success it's real easy to say that guy is o.p because he has wrecking blow. We should be questioning the skills of player and give kudos to a nice build.

Trashkan

And all those videos prove is that you have light armor on and got to close to a guy with a 2 hander I don't complain when a mage shoots me or a bow crit me come on let's be honest if you think a mage with light armor can go toe to toe close combat with a med or heavy armor 2 hander your mistaken improve your build and try to be more effective from range I don't even know why this is a discussion once again go try and be effective against a Night blade with a 2 hander and I will tell you good luck bud

Trashkan

And by the way the topic says make it interuptable and it is I told you reverberating bash!!!!!

SHADOW2KK

Right OP, ok, so you die to it, then it needs to be nerfed?, you can roll dodge or step back, and crystal frags etc use a aimbot, there is no skill involved imo and I come from a more fps background.

I mean arrows curve to you, but hey its ok, you can roll dodge

Always keep rollin

But hey again, you will probs want roll dodge to be buffed again eh:P

It is what it is, adapt and accept.

Most PvPers arent gonna just stand there and let you hit them with WB, they will move, but oh no , the whiners ask for nerf after nerf just cos they cannot handle it.

/facepalm

danno8

Trashkan wrote: »

What about incapacitating strike? No bash can stop that come on people grow up everyone has ccs. Here's an idea get a sword and board and use reverberating bash. If you didn't try yet well its not our fault

Why use reverberating bash when WB has an even better CC built it to the skill? That's the problem with WB, it has EVERYTHING you need, hence the spam.

To get something similar on a different build that does not use WB you would need a CC skill, another skill to proc empower and then a high damage instant skill that can't be interrupted.

WB needs to lose something. My preference is for the CC, so that DPS builds can still use it to get high DPS.

thelordoffelines

Trashkan wrote: »

And by the way the topic says make it interuptable and it is I told you reverberating bash!!!!!

Reverberating bash is a cc not an interrupt.

Molag_Crow

@Trashkan if you genuinely believe Wrecking Blow spam requires any kind of skill in the slightest, then you are truly one lost individual. That's as nice as I can put it.

Trashkan

I can say the same about impulse and crystal frag and biting jabs and snipe and ect ect ect..... oh and by the way yeah my doo doo twinkles!!!!

SHADOW2KK

Trashkan wrote: »

I can say the same about impulse and crystal frag and biting jabs and snipe and ect ect ect..... oh and by the way yeah my doo doo twinkles!!!!

so need the lol button back:(

GreenSoup2HoT

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Trashkan if you genuinely believe Wrecking Blow spam requires any kind of skill in the slightest, then you are truly one lost individual. That's as nice as I can put it.

Do you think instant cast's require any skill either?

The only skill in this game is given to the player's who know when to block/roll and cc every 6 second's. Also keeping your DoT's up.

It dosent matter if you jabb's spam, wb spam, surprise att spam, talon's whip spam, etc. If you do not do what i said above you have no skill. If people do above while spamming these skill's then there is skill involved. It's called a rotation.