Puncturing Sweep/Biting Jabs Currently Bugged. Please Fix!

RinaldoGandolphi

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

The Templar Skill Biting Jabs/Puncturing Sweeps is currently bugged and not doing the correct damage in PVP.

"Launch a relentless assault, striking enemies in front of you four times with your Aedric spear and dealing X Magic Damage with each strike.
The nearest enemy takes 140% additional damage and is knocked back on the last hit.
Also heals you for of damage done. "

The bug is:

When a Templar is hitting a Damage Shield, the Skill does not receive its 140% Bonus that should then be reduced to to 70%

As an example, if your Puncturing Sweeps does 800 tooltip damage, and you hit a player without a damage shield, the skill will do 400 damage + 70%(280) for a grand total of 680 damage before armor/spell resist mitigations.

When using Puncturing Sweeps against a damage shielded player such as Hardened Ward, Blazing Shield, etc, the Puncturing Sweep will only hit for 400 damage and does not receive its 140% damage increase - 50%, in other words, the 70% increase is not applying to attacks against damage shields at all. I noticed this the other night fighting multiple people with damage shields, CLS shows just a straight half of tooltip damage, but the bonus is applied if not hitting a damage shield. Its fairly simple to reproduce.

Can this please be looked into and possibly fixed, as this bug renders Puncturing Sweeps a core Templar ability absolutely useless against any damage shield. Thank you.

david31741

I believe it has been this way for a while and one of the most annoying issues as a Magicka Templar - pvp is challenging enough as a magicka based class in pvp...

Firerock2

Since it has to deal with Templars and it currently makes them weaker then its probably working as intended

Docmandu

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As an example, if your Puncturing Sweeps does 800 tooltip damage, and you hit a player without a damage shield, the skill will do 400 damage + 70%(280) for a grand total of 680 damage before armor/spell resist mitigations.

I wonder... 140% more damage.. do they mean *2.40 (140% extra damage) or *1.40 (as in 40% extra damage)

Also the cyro 50% debuff, shouldn't that be on the total value, as in 800*(1.40 or 2.40 - see above)*.50 (cyro debuff) .. else it would be counted double, no?

Dredlord

True you would not double apply the damage reduction to both the base value and the damage modifier for the main target.

BrassRazoo

Yep. That's what we need, more spam.

Zlater

Nooo, nobody touch this ability! It's one of the very few that are 'just right' please don't buff it, nerf it, fix it or rebalance it. Don't draw attention to this, it's my temps bread and butter, and I don't want it to undergo the sorc/DK treatment procedure.

RinOkumara

Docmandu wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As an example, if your Puncturing Sweeps does 800 tooltip damage, and you hit a player without a damage shield, the skill will do 400 damage + 70%(280) for a grand total of 680 damage before armor/spell resist mitigations.

I wonder... 140% more damage.. do they mean *2.40 (140% extra damage) or *1.40 (as in 40% extra damage)

Also the cyro 50% debuff, shouldn't that be on the total value, as in 800*(1.40 or 2.40 - see above)*.50 (cyro debuff) .. else it would be counted double, no?

It means *2.40

Mr_Nobody

Working as intended. And if not - you can heal.

Someone tag this comment as Z and mark your question as answered.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Interesting need to test that

Alcast

Docmandu wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As an example, if your Puncturing Sweeps does 800 tooltip damage, and you hit a player without a damage shield, the skill will do 400 damage + 70%(280) for a grand total of 680 damage before armor/spell resist mitigations.

I wonder... 140% more damage.. do they mean *2.40 (140% extra damage) or *1.40 (as in 40% extra damage)

Also the cyro 50% debuff, shouldn't that be on the total value, as in 800*(1.40 or 2.40 - see above)*.50 (cyro debuff) .. else it would be counted double, no?

140% more damage which is damage*2.4

Mulgorrah

Puncturing Sweep is also graphically bugged after the Imperial DLC patch. Does anyone else experience this or is it literally just me? When I'm fighting multiple mobs and strafing around, my avatar glitches and slips its aiming way left or way right (as in 90 degrees), often missing where my cross-hair is and I've realized that it misses out on doing damage sometimes as well. Would love some other opinions on if anyone is experiencing this or not, thanks!

tplink3r1

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Yep. That's what we need, more spam.

More shield spam?

dodgehopper_ESO

All this talk of spam makes me want to create a character named Loco Moco.

zornyan

Mulgorrah wrote: »

Puncturing Sweep is also graphically bugged after the Imperial DLC patch. Does anyone else experience this or is it literally just me? When I'm fighting multiple mobs and strafing around, my avatar glitches and slips its aiming way left or way right (as in 90 degrees), often missing where my cross-hair is and I've realized that it misses out on doing damage sometimes as well. Would love some other opinions on if anyone is experiencing this or not, thanks!

I'm getting this too, are you using biting jabs or puncturing sweeps

As I've noticed it doesn't seem to happen with my stamplar using biting jabs.

But my magicka templar it seems to happen to alot, it also seems to cause freezing issues like this

Press puncturing sweeps.

Does 4 hits .

Cast again

First hit lands, then as if the spear is stuck it points in a random directipn, and the 3 remaining hits take nearly 2x as long to actually land.

Like instead of jab jab jab, it's jab....jab.....jab. then I have to wait for a second or two to be able to do anything.

zornyan

In fact when I'm next on my ps4 I'll do some recording of the problems, since it's fairly easy to get footage

jelliedsoup

On pc jabs and heals are the Templars staple,

Mulgorrah

zornyan wrote: »

In fact when I'm next on my ps4 I'll do some recording of the problems, since it's fairly easy to get footage

Thank you! I'm on pc and I get the bug with my magicka templar. Some footage would definitely help as this is my main damage spell so I use it all the time whether its boring or not.

Mulgorrah

Btw I use puncuring sweep not biting jabs

Derra

Strange that there is a topic about it just yet. It´s been like that since 1.6 hit (yeah back in march). I always thought templars would realize way faster than a sorc getting hit by jabs...

Alcast

A Templar Issue? Many of the Bugs that were reported already on the PTS 1.6?

Oh wait, Templars right, ZOS doesnt care.

Derra

Alcast wrote: »

A Templar Issue? Many of the Bugs that were reported already on the PTS 1.6?

Oh wait, Templars right, ZOS doesnt care.

Seems like the bugged explode pet for sorcs. Or about anything that´s bugged and mainly a pvp issue. Just look at drinks in combination with CP/willows. Known bug since IC pts.
If it´s gamebreaking for pve expect a fix.
If it´s gamebreaking for pvp - well nobody pvps anyway so feck that we´ll pass it on to the next unpaid intern.

Kas

just /bug report it. nobody reads threads in this forum unless you start offending people.

Alcast

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

A Templar Issue? Many of the Bugs that were reported already on the PTS 1.6?

Oh wait, Templars right, ZOS doesnt care.

Seems like the bugged explode pet for sorcs. Or about anything that´s bugged and mainly a pvp issue. Just look at drinks in combination with CP/willows. Known bug since IC pts.
If it´s gamebreaking for pve expect a fix.
If it´s gamebreaking for pvp - well nobody pvps anyway so feck that we´ll pass it on to the next unpaid intern.

I think most skillchanges that were made in the past were due to PvP.
But I guess PvE thinks stuff changes bc of PvP and vice versa xD.

In the end we all know ZOS has no clue what they are doing.
I thought that Food/Drinks not being affected by other % increase stuff was "intended" ZOS never gave a statement if its working as intended or bugged?

zornyan

I think a majority of templars use the stamina morph biting jabs, of which doesn't seem to be an issue. Using biting jabs on my stamplar seems fine, it's just puncturing sweeps, which leads me to belive there's a very slight animation change or visual which is causing the bug

I'll have some footage by the weekend hopefully and submit a ticket plus post on here.

Corzz

yep i've noticed this too

pkb16_ESO2

Lets make bets how long it takes till the defs take care of this Bug.
As its a templar skill maybe 1 month, 6 month, 1 year? Never?

Mulgorrah

Agreed, I had a Dev respond a while back...but I've been reading the patch notes and it hasn't gotten anywhere. I even posted screenshots and submitted multiple bug reports. Oblivion.

Lettigall

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Lets make bets how long it takes till the defs take care of this Bug.
As its a templar skill maybe 1 month, 6 month, 1 year? Never?

It will be fixed same time as all other templar bugs- never. Better question is which of abilities will be ninja nerfed with Orsinium update!

zornyan

I've taken some recordings on my ps4 just after it happened, I know how to edit them down but how would one link it to be see on here by someone like gina or rich, i.e someone that might actually take notice.

Got footage of both the jabs freaking out and going in all directions, and some clips of the actual jabs slowing down dramatically and not hitting anything.

xylena

WTB completely overhauled shield bubble mechanics