Well now that it is the Imperial Nightblade City

TheShadowScout

Qyrk wrote: »

L2p. Nb melt with my sorc

I can attest to that...
snuck into IC with my nightblde, and got my face melted off by a lone sorc several times without ever noticably getting through their shields...
...also got wrecked by blows from several wandering dragonknights, who must have laughed at my puny efforts to stab them as they dragon-blooded all the damage away and knocked me around...
...and lightspear-jabbed into trouble by a templar and then finished off with a jesus beam, while they healed all the hurt I did...
...oh, and done in by a fellow nightblade too, though that was a much closer fight...

So I'd say, in the end, it just depends on how good your opponent is, not what class they use.

Maybe I really ought to slot cloak all the time and run away more...

Korah_Eaglecry

BrassRazoo wrote: »

I think IC is just a big troll by the devs.
They had to know exactly what would happen and how people would react, especially with PvE'ers forced into it.
It really is trash most of the time but it's new so I put up with it.
Basically most people are there to gather stones and trophies first, and second to engage in PvP.
People after stones don't generally look for battles as they know what losing the fight means.
IC is really just a ugly looking farming zone that has annoying penalties that make the farming even more boring than usual.

If you go back and watch one of the ESO Lives, about 4 weeks before its launch. The guy doing the overhaul for skills, the one Gia always flirts with, put a big cheesy smile on and said he couldnt wait for the ganking to begin.

They not only knew it was going to happen, they were counting on it.

leepalmer95

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

L2p. Nb melt with my sorc

I can attest to that...
snuck into IC with my nightblde, and got my face melted off by a lone sorc several times without ever noticably getting through their shields...
...also got wrecked by blows from several wandering dragonknights, who must have laughed at my puny efforts to stab them as they dragon-blooded all the damage away and knocked me around...
...and lightspear-jabbed into trouble by a templar and then finished off with a jesus beam, while they healed all the hurt I did...
...oh, and done in by a fellow nightblade too, though that was a much closer fight...

So I'd say, in the end, it just depends on how good your opponent is, not what class they use.

Maybe I really ought to slot cloak all the time and run away more...

Oh theres dk's which still use dragon blood, poor guys.

SoulAffliction

Coming from someone who never tried out PVP until this update, I actually like IC. Yes, the trophy grind is rough, yes the outrageous cost of mats for gear.... Even with all the negatives from a PVE perspective, I really enjoy PVP. I actually get excited now when I see enemy factions to see if my build style works or if I need to make any adjustments.... Just wish Cyrodil wasn't so dead/empty so I could PVP more instead of having to wait so long in que to get into IC. My 2 cents

TheShadowScout

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If you go back and watch one of the ESO Lives, about 4 weeks before its launch. The guy doing the overhaul for skills, the one Gia always flirts with, put a big cheesy smile on and said he couldnt wait for the ganking to begin.

They not only knew it was going to happen, they were counting on it.

IC has always been advertised as gankfest, back from when we first heard about he concept last year... I for one knew exactly what I was getting into when I bought the DLC! Didn't everyone?

BaldusMageezack

hahaha thanks for the stones OP

IKilled007

josh5813 wrote: »

You are not alone. Players have been saying from day 1 of the Imperial City, those stones are rare to come by and if you're killed by another player the 80% you lose as a result of being killed by another player is beyond harsh.

Rare to come by? LOL

Ch4mpTW

Lol... I've said it numerous times on other threads, and I still will say it now. Nightblades are ridiculous this update. But, did anyone agree with me? Nope. Just people claiming how it was just another whiner, who is QQ'ing and being "salty". Ironically enough, I'm seeing more and more threads about just how overpowered and ridiculous Nightblades are. Hmm... How interesting and ironic.

Flaminir

NB's are strong granted....

I'm a Sorc.... if the NB doesn't get through my shields in their initial burst then 9 times out of 10 I win or they bug out..

.....And 9 times out of 10 they don't get through the shields!

If you gave me a choice between a top notch stam or magicka build in any of the classes right now in IC I'd still rock a magicka Sorc!

MrGrimey

Someone call the whaaaaaamblance for this crybaby

RatedChaotic

Definately a l2p issue.

OGLezard

josh5813 wrote: »

You are not alone. Players have been saying from day 1 of the Imperial City, those stones are rare to come by and if you're killed by another player the 80% you lose as a result of being killed by another player is beyond harsh.

@josh5813 ROFLMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH TV stones are NOT rare to come by.....every mob drops them......if you get your multiplier higher they drop more....chest have them....portals....bosses....quest..... not rare at all. So whatever players you are talking to must not have the dlc and are stupid enough to think they drop from cyrodill....... smh rare LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Sallington

josh5813 wrote: »

You are not alone. Players have been saying from day 1 of the Imperial City, those stones are rare to come by and if you're killed by another player the 80% you lose as a result of being killed by another player is beyond harsh.

josh5813 wrote: »

those stones are rare to come by .

Callous2208

Every time I kill a guy sneaking around in IC and he drops a bunch of stones I tell the guildies, "that guy should've banked sooner, I bet he logged off and is raging on the forums right now. " If you like safe farming you could always help your alliance take the gated campaign. So much carefree looting in Axe the other night, thanks NA/EP.

WillhelmBlack

All these saying just l2p. Seriously, go l2p yourself. How can anyone survive 3-4 NB's stun locking you, morons?

OP, I know how you feel not being able to solo anymore, I can handle 2 but when I kill 1 and have 1 left and a 3rd comes in with another Ambush, you're toast. I wouldn't bother mate unless you have a large group, in IC or not. PvP is dead, all about the zergs and AvA now.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

This is ridiculously inaccurate. I completed the kill 20 Sorcerers quest in about 10 minutes on Saturday. Sorcs are everywhere in IC. Also, I'll just be that guy ... L2P.

There are roughly 125 different ways to counter NBs. Some use potions. Some use skills. I spam Breath of Life, and then do an AoE when they go stealth. Learn one or two of them the complain if you must.

Also whomever said that stones were hard to come by is just plain wrong. These sky is falling posts are getting irritating.

Sallington

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

All these saying just l2p. Seriously, go l2p yourself. How can anyone survive 3-4 NB's stun locking you, morons?

OP, I know how you feel not being able to solo anymore, I can handle 2 but when I kill 1 and have 1 left and a 3rd comes in with another Ambush, you're toast. I wouldn't bother mate unless you have a large group, in IC or not. PvP is dead, all about the zergs and AvA now.

Very very very very few people should be able to survive 1v3 or 1v4, why do people just expect to win when they're outnumbered? I don't get that logic.

HairyFairy

BuggeX wrote: »

i allways like when i get ganked by nbs, only class i can kill easy with my DK

lol yeah i just can't win ever i mean I'm a NB and i have a nice advantage over most, but im going to cry a lot about other classes because i suck at playing mine....

buck up little camper, we're not that amazing of a class, just figure out how to beat us, it's really not too hard.

here...i got it for ya! Razor Caltrops! oh my god what? does that work? he can't cloak anymore when in them? wow who knew???

HairyFairy

MikeB wrote: »

The most annoying thing about NB's with this iteration of ESO is the perma-stealth. NB's no longer perma-roll, they just perma-stealth and run. We had a group of 4 kill a solo NB 8-10 times or more over the weekend (he started all the fights), and he didnt quit until he killed all of us once. He didnt do this by out playing us or being more skilled, mind you we were on guard after his first death, he waited 30 or so minutes after his last death, after we moved 2 districts just to avoid the bother of him, until we got in a bad situation and pulled a boss (on accident due to a dumba** in the group) and when most of us were already close to death and killed us. He did nothing to deserve or earn the stones he received, we more than proved we could kill him, with ease and all of us at least once 1v1, and he got 80% of our collective stones and we never saw him again. THIS is what IC is all about. It's not a PvP area like most and ZOS like to claim, its a PvE area with PvP annoyance.

What do people do when in the arena district? They go to the arena in the middle and continuously AoE the door to keep any apposing faction out, not because they are afraid they will loose their stones, its because they want to down the bosses and not have to deal with PvP while doing so. When you go into IC you see nothing but solo or small group PvE farmers, Zerg PvE farmers or solo gankers (mostly NB's). You very rarely see a Zerg of people strictly wanting to do PvP, the ONLY reason people Zerg in IC is because they dont want want to lose their TV stones due to the cost of mats to craft V16 gear. Remove the loss of TV stones and you remove the need/want to Zerg. Well other than the fact the banner men and the Molag Bal event requiring a small Zerg to down.

You use the term 'Zerg' far too loosely. QQ..QQ...QQ

Sallington

HairyFairy wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

The most annoying thing about NB's with this iteration of ESO is the perma-stealth. NB's no longer perma-roll, they just perma-stealth and run. We had a group of 4 kill a solo NB 8-10 times or more over the weekend (he started all the fights), and he didnt quit until he killed all of us once. He didnt do this by out playing us or being more skilled, mind you we were on guard after his first death, he waited 30 or so minutes after his last death, after we moved 2 districts just to avoid the bother of him, until we got in a bad situation and pulled a boss (on accident due to a dumba** in the group) and when most of us were already close to death and killed us. He did nothing to deserve or earn the stones he received, we more than proved we could kill him, with ease and all of us at least once 1v1, and he got 80% of our collective stones and we never saw him again. THIS is what IC is all about. It's not a PvP area like most and ZOS like to claim, its a PvE area with PvP annoyance.

What do people do when in the arena district? They go to the arena in the middle and continuously AoE the door to keep any apposing faction out, not because they are afraid they will loose their stones, its because they want to down the bosses and not have to deal with PvP while doing so. When you go into IC you see nothing but solo or small group PvE farmers, Zerg PvE farmers or solo gankers (mostly NB's). You very rarely see a Zerg of people strictly wanting to do PvP, the ONLY reason people Zerg in IC is because they dont want want to lose their TV stones due to the cost of mats to craft V16 gear. Remove the loss of TV stones and you remove the need/want to Zerg. Well other than the fact the banner men and the Molag Bal event requiring a small Zerg to down.

You use the term 'Zerg' far too loosely. QQ..QQ...QQ

Everything other than a 2 man group is a zerg now-a-days. Really, anything that kills anyone ever is a zerg.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

There was a 20 on 20 EP vs AD fight in the Temple district on Saturday in Chillerend. The EP wiped AD for the following reasons.

1) I didn't see any healers in AD. Not sure why everyone took the 50% healing reduction to mean that healers aren't needed. If anything good ones are more vital than ever.
2) Their army of NBs kept thinking that leaping into a Templar casting heals would work. It doesn't.
3) They had massive losses because some people refuse to look left or right before attacking. I got a half dozen kills just by turning my Jesus Beam onto people who seem to have thought that fighting someone one on one in a 40 man fight was a good idea. It isn't.

All in all the amount of people who complain about things that can be solved with just an ounce of situational awareness is staggering. Some of you are your own worst enemy and refuse to accept it.

Bfish22090

Have you realized detect pot > nb?

Osteos

Where are all these nefarious nightblades?

I haven't been ganked entering the sewers once.
I haven't been ganked using a sewer exit from the districts.
I haven't been ganked using a sewer to enter the districts.

I have been zerged over by a sea of yellow or red in the sewers and the districts.

I have been in several small scale fights both in the city and the sewers, sometimes I win sometimes I lose. These fights have been with every class. I enjoy these fights

I have yet to see this band of marauding nightblades in my travels.

Kammakazi

WillhelmBlack

Sallington wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

All these saying just l2p. Seriously, go l2p yourself. How can anyone survive 3-4 NB's stun locking you, morons?

OP, I know how you feel not being able to solo anymore, I can handle 2 but when I kill 1 and have 1 left and a 3rd comes in with another Ambush, you're toast. I wouldn't bother mate unless you have a large group, in IC or not. PvP is dead, all about the zergs and AvA now.

Very very very very few people should be able to survive 1v3 or 1v4, why do people just expect to win when they're outnumbered? I don't get that logic.

Why not? If you had the skill and a more balanced patch?

Hope499

josh5813 wrote: »

, those stones are rare to come by is beyond harsh.

Joking?

You can net an easy 5k in 30 min within your starting area....

Sav72

Play a NB and then complain.....I am a stam NB i can only cast Shadow cloak 4 times before running out of magika.

About Stones your best bet is get a group, go to your factions sewers, kill mobs near your sewer faction entrance, when you have around 300 stones, which should take you less then 30mins if not less, run to bank and deposit.

Losing stones is what makes it fun, and worth playing with caution.

Please don't make PVP a care bear servers.

Sallington

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

All these saying just l2p. Seriously, go l2p yourself. How can anyone survive 3-4 NB's stun locking you, morons?

OP, I know how you feel not being able to solo anymore, I can handle 2 but when I kill 1 and have 1 left and a 3rd comes in with another Ambush, you're toast. I wouldn't bother mate unless you have a large group, in IC or not. PvP is dead, all about the zergs and AvA now.

Very very very very few people should be able to survive 1v3 or 1v4, why do people just expect to win when they're outnumbered? I don't get that logic.

Why not? If you had the skill and a more balanced patch?

If you have the skill you could do it now. I don't know why everything thinks they have the skill to win outnumbered fights.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Sallington wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

All these saying just l2p. Seriously, go l2p yourself. How can anyone survive 3-4 NB's stun locking you, morons?

OP, I know how you feel not being able to solo anymore, I can handle 2 but when I kill 1 and have 1 left and a 3rd comes in with another Ambush, you're toast. I wouldn't bother mate unless you have a large group, in IC or not. PvP is dead, all about the zergs and AvA now.

Very very very very few people should be able to survive 1v3 or 1v4, why do people just expect to win when they're outnumbered? I don't get that logic.

Why not? If you had the skill and a more balanced patch?

If you have the skill you could do it now. I don't know why everything thinks they have the skill to win outnumbered fights.

I've won a few 1 on 5s. It takes an extraordinary set of circumstances to do it. You have to be really good, have a plan and execute it perfectly. Even the you're going to lose more often than not by a wide margin even attempting to do it. A balanced fight means you can compete 1 on 1, not 1 on 3 or more.

The last time I did it I could see my opponents coming and I bat swarmed them when they turned the corner followed by a few Jesus Beams and Breath of Lifes. It only worked because they panicked and never interrupted my beams.

eliisra

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Maybee you could adjust the stone loss so we don't lose all our ****ing stones to 4-12 ambushing nightblades everytime we go peek around a corner.? this is getting ****ing ridiculous.

When I'm on my NB in IC, I also get ambushed by 4-12 NB's and loose all my stones...just saying

Other than that, I think sorcs are pretty damn popular to still. Definitely the best class out there v.s the NB invasion. All that mobility makes it pretty easy to keep up with cloak attempts and shade teleports.

Magicka templar + DK however, bit futile bothering. I mean even if Cloak and Bolt Escape was removed from the game entirely, you wouldn't be able to catch a single NB+ sorc, because you're always going to be slower than a slug(DK's even lack gap closer). Go play in groups and get a speedy buff bot.