Valkyn Skoria: Bugged or Secret Nerf?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I was wondering if anyone had info on whether the proc rate on this is actually broken or if there was a hidden cool down added or something to that effect. There has been a lot of debate about what to replace this set piece with as it doesnt seem to proc anymore. I believe there was mention of a damage reduction in one of the patch notes, but I havent seen anything to suggest a nerf in the actual proc rate. The tool tip still says 4% chance on damage from DoTs. I am a DK that runs up to 6 DoTs at a time. Pre IC, this would proc on average every 7-10 seconds on a single target fight. Now I am lucky if i get 1 proc on a minute long fight with virtually the same rotation. Last night, I ran Spindle and got 2 procs on bloodspwan for a whopping 500 added DPS and ZERO procs on the final boss. Something just doesnt seem right.

Rayste

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I was wondering if anyone had info on whether the proc rate on this is actually broken or if there was a hidden cool down added or something to that effect. There has been a lot of debate about what to replace this set piece with as it doesnt seem to proc anymore. I believe there was mention of a damage reduction in one of the patch notes, but I havent seen anything to suggest a nerf in the actual proc rate. The tool tip still says 4% chance on damage from DoTs. I am a DK that runs up to 6 DoTs at a time. Pre IC, this would proc on average every 7-10 seconds on a single target fight. Now I am lucky if i get 1 proc on a minute long fight with virtually the same rotation. Last night, I ran Spindle and got 2 procs on bloodspwan for a whopping 500 added DPS and ZERO procs on the final boss. Something just doesnt seem right.

They added a cool down on it per patch notes. I believe the cool down is like 6-10 seconds. It needed a fix as it was spiking DPS by quite a bit. There was a reason it was 'required' before.

EDIT: you may want to change your title because it is neither of those. This thread will go south fairly quickly.

Erraln

Initial reaction: Yea, something's up.

I defeated Lurb's attendants and proceeded to maintain Boundless Storm until they respawned (the troll got me the second time ;P). 4% of 235 should be closer to 8-12 procs, not 4. Will test with other dots.


Liquid Lightning

Concussion is a 6% disintegrate chance, operating below 25% health. So, with a 2% higher chance to proc than skoria, it went off more times in the last quarter of health than skoria did total? What?

Flame Reach


Full Dot bars


It failed to register on the recount, due to not proceeding enough times from 7-8 dot skills. Not the intended behavior, I'd hope.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Rayste wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

They added a cool down on it per patch notes. I believe the cool down is like 6-10 seconds. It needed a fix as it was spiking DPS by quite a bit. There was a reason it was 'required' before.

EDIT: you may want to change your title because it is neither of those. This thread will go south fairly quickly.

You got a link to which notes? They mentioned damage reduction, dont remember the cooldown. I have gone 2 minutes without a single proc, while runnning 5 DoTs. I can't imagine the meant to nerf it out of existence. It wasnt really that OP last patch. it was maybe 1200-1700 DPS, when pulling 22-24k. It would normally proc about every 8-10 seconds. Now I am lucky to get 250-500 DPS on one proc every 30-45 seconds. Seems broken to me...

Vangy

I used to use valkyns too before ic. I've since switched to molag kena shoulders and run 1 extra 2 set bonus because valkyns doesn't seem to be doing much anymore. Nothing about it in patch notes though so im clueless as well.

Joy_Division

Proc rate is much lower as of right now. Anyone who pays attention to their FTC recaps will know this.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Vangy wrote: »

I used to use valkyns too before ic. I've since switched to molag kena shoulders and run 1 extra 2 set bonus because valkyns doesn't seem to be doing much anymore. Nothing about it in patch notes though so im clueless as well.

I have gone to Nerien'eth since patch. I am also messing with Kena 2-piece, but my rotation/sustain needs some work to keep this up 24/7. I don't personally like the one-piece option because with my build, the only extra set piece i could add would be health from torugs pact, which doesnt help DPS. I get more DPS from Nerien'eth than I would from the extra spell damage from one-piece kena. Nerien'eth is now similar DPS to Skoria pre-patch single target (prob a touch less on average), and frankly much more DPS on AoE, so the argument that Skoria was OP isnt a good one because Nerien'eth does almost the same now. It's big weakness is moving single targets as they often seem to walk out of the range of the lich bombs that takes a few seconds to go off.

Functionally, I just like Skoria better (it always hits) and I got the perfect helm/shoulders drops in v16. It also synergies better with my DK flame/DoT build. If my build can't take advantage of Skoria, then no build can. Shame they will continue to collect dust. Kena is likley going to trump everything once we figure out the best rotation and sustain for max uptime, but I wish we could get some clarification about what is going on with Skoria. I will continue to believe it's broken until someone @ZOS explains what is going on...

Armitas

They destroyed skoria and made nerein'eth far better than skoria ever was. Trust me throw that thing away and put on nerein, it can easily do over 1k dps on its own.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Armitas wrote: »

They destroyed skoria and made nerein'eth far better than skoria ever was. Trust me throw that thing away and put on nerein, it can easily do over 1k dps on its own.

Exactly what I did. Doesn't mean I don't want to know what actually happened. The proc rate tool tip has not changed, so as they title says, either a secret nerf (or fundamentally changed in same way) or it is broken. If broken, I want to know (and want it fixed). It would be great to use Skoria on long single target, Nerien'eth on AoE, and Kena on burst fights. Or we can all just wear Nerien'eth...

Sensesfail13

Of course it was nerfed if people like something in game, well screw them, lets nerf everybody and make players that dont know the game better by buffing them and forcing them into zergs. Sounds like a plan.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Of course it was nerfed if people like something in game, well screw them, lets nerf everybody and make players that dont know the game better by buffing them and forcing them into zergs. Sounds like a plan.

Yeah, that's frankly not an answer, more of a general complaint. Yes the damage was nerfed as stated (maybe reasonable, maybe not), but we are talking about the proc rate. The tooltip states the proc rate of 4% on damage done by a DoT, which hasn't change since last patch. If I am running the same DoTs, the proc rate shouldn't change, but it clearly has. To me that suggests a broken mechanic, not a nerf.

HungryHobo

What was the change with AoE / Single target proc chances for elemental effects or something? Could the same modifiers for that affect the proc chance of the set possibly?

Or what if proc'ing the set when it is on cooldown resets the cooldown for that initial proc?

stonerskate109

As a templar my skoria procs literally every time the cool down shuts off so idk mine seems to work fine honestly it works great

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I actually havent tested this in quite a while. I have heard it might have been fixed. I will mess with it today. A DK build should be able to proc this as well as or better than pretty much any build out there. There is no reason a Templar should get this to proc more than a DK. All we do is DoT. haha

Tanis-Stormbinder

Was anyone able to verify if the Valkyn Skoria set was fixed before maintenance.

Malmai

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I was wondering if anyone had info on whether the proc rate on this is actually broken or if there was a hidden cool down added or something to that effect. There has been a lot of debate about what to replace this set piece with as it doesnt seem to proc anymore. I believe there was mention of a damage reduction in one of the patch notes, but I havent seen anything to suggest a nerf in the actual proc rate. The tool tip still says 4% chance on damage from DoTs. I am a DK that runs up to 6 DoTs at a time. Pre IC, this would proc on average every 7-10 seconds on a single target fight. Now I am lucky if i get 1 proc on a minute long fight with virtually the same rotation. Last night, I ran Spindle and got 2 procs on bloodspwan for a whopping 500 added DPS and ZERO procs on the final boss. Something just doesnt seem right.

Its usless now.

Armitas

Malmai wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I was wondering if anyone had info on whether the proc rate on this is actually broken or if there was a hidden cool down added or something to that effect. There has been a lot of debate about what to replace this set piece with as it doesnt seem to proc anymore. I believe there was mention of a damage reduction in one of the patch notes, but I havent seen anything to suggest a nerf in the actual proc rate. The tool tip still says 4% chance on damage from DoTs. I am a DK that runs up to 6 DoTs at a time. Pre IC, this would proc on average every 7-10 seconds on a single target fight. Now I am lucky if i get 1 proc on a minute long fight with virtually the same rotation. Last night, I ran Spindle and got 2 procs on bloodspwan for a whopping 500 added DPS and ZERO procs on the final boss. Something just doesnt seem right.

Its usless now.

This is what ZOS does. They see one pole is higher than the other so they shorten the high pole and lengthen the low pole and clap the dust from their hands after the work and say "there, now that pole is no longer higher than the other pole". And of course all they actually did, by that ridiculous series of changes, was reverse the order of the poles. This is what they do time and time again. I really think they treat the live server as a secondary PTS server.

Malmai

Armitas wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I was wondering if anyone had info on whether the proc rate on this is actually broken or if there was a hidden cool down added or something to that effect. There has been a lot of debate about what to replace this set piece with as it doesnt seem to proc anymore. I believe there was mention of a damage reduction in one of the patch notes, but I havent seen anything to suggest a nerf in the actual proc rate. The tool tip still says 4% chance on damage from DoTs. I am a DK that runs up to 6 DoTs at a time. Pre IC, this would proc on average every 7-10 seconds on a single target fight. Now I am lucky if i get 1 proc on a minute long fight with virtually the same rotation. Last night, I ran Spindle and got 2 procs on bloodspwan for a whopping 500 added DPS and ZERO procs on the final boss. Something just doesnt seem right.

Its usless now.

This is what ZOS does. They see one pole is higher than the other so they shorten the high pole and lengthen the low pole and clap the dust from their hands after the work and say "there, now that pole is no longer higher than the other pole". And of course all they actually did, by that ridiculous series of changes, was reverse the order of the poles. This is what they do time and time again. I really think they treat the live server as a secondary PTS server.

Yep you can see they got no exp or clue what are they doing.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Yes, it is very obvious if you have played with Skoria since the patch that the 4% proc rate is a lie. ZOS messed something up in the code for this and have yet to fix it.

I cringe every time I see someone spamming in zone chat looking for a CoA helm farm group. Poor fools.

Jumper45

They might have added a internal cooldown maybe? Not sure but the proc rates on all/some of the sets seem to have changed not just Skoria which makes me think it was on purpose. -shrug- Infernal Maw takes quite the effort to make spawn now vs before and tooltip was not changed. Before it would spawn really without me trying. Just getting Magicka back with resto heavies would pop him out. Now i have to light attack a bunch of times (about 15) just to get it to pop out. Personally these sets need to be all damage not just Light/heavy attacks with a lowish percent. Once you get up there VR1+ for some people using light and heavies takes a back seat and does not synergize well with builds.

Scyantific

Jumper45 wrote: »

They might have added a internal cooldown maybe? Not sure but the proc rates on all/some of the sets seem to have changed not just Skoria which makes me think it was on purpose. -shrug- Infernal Maw takes quite the effort to make spawn now vs before and tooltip was not changed. Before it would spawn really without me trying. Just getting Magicka back with resto heavies would pop him out. Now i have to light attack a bunch of times (about 15) just to get it to pop out. Personally these sets need to be all damage not just Light/heavy attacks with a lowish percent. Once you get up there VR1+ for some people using light and heavies takes a back seat and does not synergize well with builds.

Maw of the Infernal always sucked, tbh.

I tested Skoria vs Nerien'eth this past weekend and yeah, Nerien'eth proc'ed way more often than Skoria by a country mile.

I have a DK, but it's barely V1 so I'll have to push it to v16 if I want to test Skoria on that class.

Jumper45

Scyantific wrote: »

Jumper45 wrote: »

They might have added a internal cooldown maybe? Not sure but the proc rates on all/some of the sets seem to have changed not just Skoria which makes me think it was on purpose. -shrug- Infernal Maw takes quite the effort to make spawn now vs before and tooltip was not changed. Before it would spawn really without me trying. Just getting Magicka back with resto heavies would pop him out. Now i have to light attack a bunch of times (about 15) just to get it to pop out. Personally these sets need to be all damage not just Light/heavy attacks with a lowish percent. Once you get up there VR1+ for some people using light and heavies takes a back seat and does not synergize well with builds.

Maw of the Infernal always sucked, tbh.

I tested Skoria vs Nerien'eth this past weekend and yeah, Nerien'eth proc'ed way more often than Skoria by a country mile.

I have a DK, but it's barely V1 so I'll have to push it to v16 if I want to test Skoria on that class.

Maw isnt so bad after the buff. it used to proc as soon as it came off cooldown before. Was pretty handy as a templar healer since you spend all your time heavy attacking for magicka anyways.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

So the short answer is: Still Broken.

While I don't disagree that they tend to take things too far with balancing, I really just want answers from someone @ZOS. If @ZOS_RichLambert or anyone else would chime in, that would be outstanding. Was an internal cooldown added? Is the tooltip flatout wrong? I just want to know! I know the damage was reduced, but the proc rate should be the same. However, the thing simply doesnt proc anywhere close to the previous rate, and I run 7 DoTs at once when my standard is up. I have done 90 second fights with 0 procs. This cant be working as intended, and if it is, the little faith I had left is gone.

usmcjdking

I have the lingering suspicion that the procs are NOT RNG, but PRC.