How about a true PvP campaign DAO C style!

ZtruK

I purchased this game after PC beta because I loved the gameplay but all the issues back then drove me away. It finally seems the game has some great potential again and there is one thing that is missing for me and it’s a feeling of true PvP progression ala the DAOC realm rank system.
The champion point system would be perfect for this if it only gained ranks from PvP kills, that way it would be similar to DAOC’s RA system. I propose that a new campaign be added that while inside, uses a different champion tree that only gains points from actual player kills within that campaign. When you leave that campaign you go back to your normal tree and any points you gained while inside the “DAOC style” campaign can then be applied to your normal champion tree that exists for PvE and all other campaigns.

It may not be as popular as the other campaigns but I think there are a lot of us that would like to know that champion points were gained through pure PvP. The issue with the shared PvP/PvE system is it that is always seems way more efficient to gain points (whether it is vet exp or champion pints) via PvE. This campaign option would fix that for those who choose to play in it.

Etaniel

Stop asking for stuff that ZOS couldn't even handle in their dreams. They already take 6 months if not more to fix game breaking bugs/issues, how do you expect them to design an entire new passive tree?

ZtruK

It isn't a new passive tree. It's the exact same one. It would be extremely low effort on their end.

It goes like this. Someone who has 300 champion points from regular campaigns goes into this new one. They now have 0 points in their tree. After some PvP kills they get a point and put it in the tree. Whenever they are in this particular campaign, the tree only uses points gained in that particular campaign. If they leave the campaign, they now how 300 points back in their tree just as they had before with 1 point to spend.

Dreyloch

Etaniel wrote: »

Stop asking for stuff that ZOS couldn't even handle in their dreams. They already take 6 months if not more to fix game breaking bugs/issues, how do you expect them to design an entire new passive tree?

I'm with Etaniel here. It'll never happen. We've been suggesting things since launch that just get ignored. Better off just sitting back and waiting for CU to come out.

ZtruK

Dreyloch wrote: »

waiting for CU to come out.

That's simply a given!

In the meantime...

Etaniel

Dreyloch wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Stop asking for stuff that ZOS couldn't even handle in their dreams. They already take 6 months if not more to fix game breaking bugs/issues, how do you expect them to design an entire new passive tree?

I'm with Etaniel here. It'll never happen. We've been suggesting things since launch that just get ignored. Better off just sitting back and waiting for CU to come out.

It's not necessarily that they get ignored, it's that they would be incapable of coding it, even if they wanted to. Their code must be a complete mess really, that everytime they fix the tiniest issue, they create 5 more. Look at when they introduced a gated access campaign this week, poof, new UI bug that shows low pop on all campaigns, poof some people were locked out of IC on other campaigns, every single time, they break something. And there are sooooo many examples of this.

ZtruK

Etaniel wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Stop asking for stuff that ZOS couldn't even handle in their dreams. They already take 6 months if not more to fix game breaking bugs/issues, how do you expect them to design an entire new passive tree?

I'm with Etaniel here. It'll never happen. We've been suggesting things since launch that just get ignored. Better off just sitting back and waiting for CU to come out.

It's not necessarily that they get ignored, it's that they would be incapable of coding it, even if they wanted to. Their code must be a complete mess really, that everytime they fix the tiniest issue, they create 5 more. Look at when they introduced a gated access campaign this week, poof, new UI bug that shows low pop on all campaigns, poof some people were locked out of IC on other campaigns, every single time, they break something. And there are sooooo many examples of this.

I quit due to this before. I always said if they could just fix the lag I would come back. So I'm here. I was hoping they were pivoting to PvP now that the PC year beta for console is finally over.

CtrlAltDlt

ZtruK wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

waiting for CU to come out.

That's simply a given!

In the meantime...

CU?

Scamandros

Cucumber Uprising

PainfulFAFA

Carrots Unleashed

Docmandu

Etaniel wrote: »

Their code must be a complete mess really, that everytime they fix the tiniest issue, they create 5 more.

You mean... like DAoC / Mythic... don't think they ever put up a patch that didn't break something totally unrelated... pity the guys that went to ZOS didn't learn from their mistakes.

It's clear that writing test cases for their code wasn't a top priority.

Jitterbug

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Carrots Unleashed

No way, Carrots went f2p?

Talcyndl

juan0316 wrote: »

CU?

Is a LONG way off - assuming it doesn't implode completely.

Yuke

CU lol...they just found senior programmer last week. Dont expect something soon.

Talcyndl

Yuke wrote: »

CU lol...they just found senior programmer last week. Dont expect something soon.

Well to be fair, they hired TWO senior programmers and will be making a bunch of ANNOUNCEMENTS over the next few weeks/months.

But yeah, anyone waiting for CU will need a lot of patience and faith.

ZtruK

Talcyndl wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

CU lol...they just found senior programmer last week. Dont expect something soon.

Well to be fair, they hired TWO senior programmers and will be making a bunch of ANNOUNCEMENTS over the next few weeks/months.

But yeah, anyone waiting for CU will need a lot of patience and faith.

Yep! I have faith... I guess...

In the meantime, how can this game which as a DAOC PvP lead not have a system that is equivalent to the RA system? Alliance skills don't count, it needs to be an endless grind of progression that is only ranked up by PvP. Champion system fits the bill we just need a campaign that has it only rank up from PvP.

For the poor guy who still doesn't have an answer to what CU is it's Camelot Unchained which is to be a spiritual successor to DAOC (what I thought this game was going to be) or something even though it looks completely different yet awesome if you can see it through all the vapor.

Mr_Nobody

- Lets transform a cool game into MMORPG?
- YAYYYYYY!

- Lets make its PvP based on DAoCs 3 realm style?
- YAYYYYYY!

- Since WoW is the best game ever, lets make people grind mobs 24/7?
- YAYYYYYY!

- Lets make all classes unique and balanced to each other?
- YAYYYYYY!

- How are we going to deal with bugs and general issues with the game?
- YAYYYYYY!

Summed up pretty much everything, didnt i?

Alomar

The dreams of this becoming a good rvr game died shortly after launch when the feedback from 9 months of beta (when the first pvp test happened) was never adhered to. Just enjoy the subpar pvp and wait for the next attempt.

Mr_Nobody

Docmandu wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Their code must be a complete mess really, that everytime they fix the tiniest issue, they create 5 more.

You mean... like DAoC / Mythic... don't think they ever put up a patch that didn't break something totally unrelated... pity the guys that went to ZOS didn't learn from their mistakes.

It's clear that writing test cases for their code wasn't a top priority.

Pretty sure there were just a few of those patches / fixes. (general fixes, related to balanced PvP, not some lore BS)

And even if some bug occurred after a patch, they were all fixed within HOURS.

DAoC had what? 16 classes PER REALM? And yet... They were all perfectly balanced and UNIQUE compared to each other and counter-parts of a different realm. ESO has 4 classes for all 3 realms and cant even balance them or make unique enough.

I wonder whats their plan for the next year, I assume the plan of Removing Cyrodiil and replacement of instanced Arenas is on the way because they clearly cant handle open world PvP. Why next year? Camelot Unchained is otw ~

IxSTALKERxI

Zos has chosen to cater to casuals rather than hardcore PVPer's. So I doubt they would consider adding a cool system like this.