DPS Sorc using swords

hushimetifus

Maybe its just me, but it doesnt make any rpg sense for a sorc to be using a sword and casting. I understand that it increases spell damage and I will ptobably use them too...just for that reason. Is this some unintentional effect of the passives? What is the community's thought on getting rid of the passive bonus in relation to spell power?

hushimetifus

Oh...this isnt including stam sorcs...which is a fad that will probably get nerfed.

leepalmer95

Well that have more spell power yes but the gimp themselves on not being able to weave attack in, miss out of the spell penetration and such of the desto staff skill line.

They can't spam weave an interupt.
Less spell penetration.
A lot less ult regen.
Can't regen magicka by heavy attacking.

Scyantific

Removing spell damage from non-staff weapons would require quite a bit of recoding so lol that ain't gonna happen. They've already mentioned that removing vet ranks was a gargantuan task so I can only imagine how messed up things will get if they have to go in and make a change to a fundamental part of the game (weapons and their damage values).

lolo_01b16_ESO

Back when the game launched, all weapon skills including destro and restro staffs scaled of weapon damage while all class skills scaled of spell damage. Therefore all weapons provided weapon damage while spell damage was based on your level and could only be increased with armour, skills and potions. For balancing reasons 2-handed and dual wield provided more weapon damage than the other weapons.
At some point they changed it so that all spells would scale of spell damage and all stamina based attacks would scale of weapon damage. They also removed the base spell damage everyone got according to his level and just made it so every weapon would provide as much spell damage as it provides weapon damage.

I personally like running dual wield on my templar healer / magicka nb. When thinking about it, I just realized, that in most of the games I played, I used melee weapons and spells at the same time.

Cathexis

hushimetifus wrote: »

Oh...this isnt including stam sorcs...which is a fad that will probably get nerfed.

I'm sorry a fad that will get nerfed? Have you ever played one?

Hang on while II get on this roflcopter to get to my lollercoaster.

hushimetifus

No I haven't. Id like to though. I just dont want to invest the time into a build that could be fundamentally crippled if they change a few skills. I guess that could be said of most builds. I considered rerolling my dps sorc to a stam build

Dracane

Dual Wield offers no DPS for a Magicka Sorcerer, because he has no good spammable class ability that he could sustain.
Dual Wield is for burst in pvp or for some people who use overload for some extra damage against the final boss of a dungeon.

Stravokov

Dracane wrote: »

Dual Wield offers no DPS for a Magicka Sorcerer, because he has no good spammable class ability that he could sustain.
Dual Wield is for burst in pvp or for some people who use overload for some extra damage against the final boss of a dungeon.

exactly.

i use Resto staff for sustainability, and switch to dual swords for the extra burst dps when i need it. but in a dungeon staff is king for sustainability.

Flaminir

Dracane wrote: »

Dual Wield offers no DPS for a Magicka Sorcerer, because he has no good spammable class ability that he could sustain.
Dual Wield is for burst in pvp or for some people who use overload for some extra damage against the final boss of a dungeon.

It offers very good DPS.....

But your can't have it as your only option agreed.

Bar 1 (Destro staff)
All the normal DPS stuff Inc Crushy Shock etc

Bar2 (Dual wield / 2hander)
Execute
Overload
etc

That way you get your spammable dps skill on bar 1, but then switch to the dual wield/2H bar for the execute phase and when using your highest DPS skill (Overload).

Easy... .best of both worlds & higher DPS than just using a staff on both bars!

Steel_Brightblade

From a role play point of view and Assn elder scrolls point of view casters have never been restricted to a particular weapon type, battle mages, sword and dagger uses are all over the place I'm fantasy literature.

From a game point if view the others are right it doesn't work well in its own. I use dual swords on my magic templar for bigger heals and higher dps but often swap to resto staff for sustain.

Dracane

Flaminir wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Dual Wield offers no DPS for a Magicka Sorcerer, because he has no good spammable class ability that he could sustain.
Dual Wield is for burst in pvp or for some people who use overload for some extra damage against the final boss of a dungeon.

It offers very good DPS.....

But your can't have it as your only option agreed.

Bar 1 (Destro staff)
All the normal DPS stuff Inc Crushy Shock etc

Bar2 (Dual wield / 2hander)
Execute
Overload
etc

That way you get your spammable dps skill on bar 1, but then switch to the dual wield/2H bar for the execute phase and when using your highest DPS skill (Overload).

Easy... .best of both worlds & higher DPS than just using a staff on both bars!

Right. I meant sustained DPS though LIke you use it all the time against a boss from 100 to 0 basically.
Yes sure, ALL other classes can and SHOULD do this. Sorcerer is the only class that should not do this, because Sorcerer has no spammable class ability that he could sustain like any other class.

I really hope, there will be some kind of lightning bolt coming with Spell crafting that is spammable, and stronger than the wet noodle Force shock. Because Sorcerer would gain 5% more damage for it thanks to the passive and could make use of this.

But until this happens, Sorcerer will always be the class being forced to shot with wet noodles for dps.

Jumper45

Ritual Blades. Not all that odd to see. Dual blades? Yes lol. That being said. Some sort of focus in off hand and a blade in the other is the route most people go for RPG reasons. If you see someone holding 2 swords you expect that they will be using them in a physical manner. Not the case here though.

Xeven

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Well that have more spell power yes but the gimp themselves on not being able to weave attack in, miss out of the spell penetration and such of the desto staff skill line.

They can't spam weave an interupt.
Less spell penetration.
A lot less ult regen.
Can't regen magicka by heavy attacking.

Dracane wrote: »

Dual Wield offers no DPS for a Magicka Sorcerer, because he has no good spammable class ability that he could sustain.
Dual Wield is for burst in pvp or for some people who use overload for some extra damage against the final boss of a dungeon.

Really happy to see Sorcerers who can think for themselves, and dont need a streamer to teach them how to improperly build a sorc.

Jumper45

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Well that have more spell power yes but the gimp themselves on not being able to weave attack in, miss out of the spell penetration and such of the desto staff skill line.

They can't spam weave an interupt.
Less spell penetration.
A lot less ult regen.
Can't regen magicka by heavy attacking.

This is only true if you use destro staff abilities for spell pen otherwise thats a moot point. The rest is pretty truthful. No Ulti regen which u need light or heavy attacks for. No Magicka regen from heavy. Though it can be said you do not need to use light or heavy attacks at all to get magicka back so you really just lose out on the ulti points.