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Why are there still no chat tabs! / trading? why so complicated? / provisionning ideas.
Allexio
Soul Shriven
This game desperately needs obligatory trade and recruitment tabs (by that I mean that you dont need to have to go through the chat options menu to access them). have everyone's chat box reset to three chat tabs, the normal, general one, the second for trade only, in any language (but obviously most people trade in english or dont bother and just post the item and price) and the third for recruitment, once again in any language (cause there generally arent that many people recruiting at once).
Then, to stop people from posting trade offers and other bs on the main chat, have a bot that detects words like "recruit", "WTS", "WTB", etc. and auto bans people for 10 minutes.
This is the system in place in warframe and it works really well. If you dont like the concept of a bot doing the law, then hire an in game mod to do it instead, or find some mature players who will do it for free because they want to support the game.
I cant believe this still hasnt been done given the amount of time the game has been out for.
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Concerning trading in general, why the hell do we have to go through every guild trader to find the items we want instead of having a generalised trading platform like in guild wars 2 for example?
I mean it is seriously frustrating to have to go through all the capitals to try and find the one item youre looking for, having to re input the search parameters every single time and then realising they dont have what you want and moving on to endor number 25 in town X. Why? Why complicate the lives of sellers and buyers like this?
This brings nothing at all to the game, or if it does, I dont see what it is.
All it does is bring together stupid "trading" guilds that exist only so you can sell your items somewhere. because its incredibly hard to sell your items otherwise!!!
You shoudlnt be FORCED to join a guild that has no sense of camaraderie or friendship to be able to sell something, but you ARE! WHY?
I am waiting for an answer to this question from anyone.
To me, who has always played MMOs that have central trading platforms, this just seems like its a stupid waste of time for everyone.
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Provisioning is nice, but I have some problems with it also.
I am currently a level 30 cook (or whatever you wanna call it) and I have multiple ideas I think would benefit the system.
1: When stealing ingredients, immediately remove stolen status if robbery is successful! How the hell do guards know if a certain apple has been stolen or not? How does this make any sense? the ingredient should be piled on top of the other ingredients you have of the same kind as soon as you have managed to steal without being seen. if you actually are seen, then it makes sense to mark the stolen ingredient as stolen. Currently, you will just end up with two different stacks of stolen/non stolen goods and this will clutter up your inventory space very fast and force you to make frequent trips to the refuge, which is annoying to say the least.
2: The beverage and food skills should be separated in certain aspects, this is because it is near impossible to have enough inventory space for the ingredients required for both. Therefore, I think it would be nice to have separate hireling skills and separate crafting writs. I dont have a single beverage ingredient, but I have tons of food ingredients. I KNOW I wont have enough space for both, so making the game like this forces me to give up on the hireling skill and the crafting writs for provisionning.
3A: Make the extended food duration skill percentage based and not minute based, so that when making a recipe we dont end up with food that works for 2 hours and then an extra worthless 15 minutes.
3B: Make the extended food duration skill be LINKED to the food and not applied when eating food! This skill should affect the food you make, not the food you eat! This would also make the better cook make better recipes, which makes sense!
4: add another skill for food effect boost? not sure about this one, but it would be nice and would emphasize the fact that if you spent time making your own food and levelling up your provissioning skill, then you can make better food than people who didnt.
5A: When eating food, or drinking beverages, ALERT the player if he is already under the effect of a conflicting food/beverage bonus instead of overwriting it directly!
This makes so much sense and yet is lacking form the game! this would also make players consume more because they wouldnt be afraid of erasing previous bonuses.
5B: Add an option to be able to see current bonuses in the UI somewhere (if there is one I apologise but I didn't see it).
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Quick sidenote concerning the legerdemain skill line: all the skills in the skill line are useless (for me, anyway), you should think of ways to make them more alluring. Maybe add a skill for higher rare drop chances from chests or monsters? I mean that shouldnt be so hard. a lot of these are worthless. forcing a lock is stupid because locks are so easy to pick, removing cost of bounty is worthless because if youre a thief, this will do nearly nothing, and I dont think anyone just goes around killing people to try and get the highest bounty possible, for me, sneaking is worthless, because im a tank...
Maybe a skill that makes it so that each time we obtain a treasure map, we obtain two instead? or maybe three? or maybe if we go to the treasure ma location with friend, two chests will spawn instead of one, or maybe more, dpeneding on the level of the skill and the number of friends...
maybe increase the value of stolen items considerably?
Anyway, legerdemain is really hard to level up and it is really disapointing to spend so much time on it and be rewarded with useless skills like this.
well, tell me what you think about my ideas, and if im the only one to think of trading and provisionning and stuff as needing a rework.
Then, to stop people from posting trade offers and other bs on the main chat, have a bot that detects words like "recruit", "WTS", "WTB", etc. and auto bans people for 10 minutes.
This is the system in place in warframe and it works really well. If you dont like the concept of a bot doing the law, then hire an in game mod to do it instead, or find some mature players who will do it for free because they want to support the game.
I cant believe this still hasnt been done given the amount of time the game has been out for.
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Concerning trading in general, why the hell do we have to go through every guild trader to find the items we want instead of having a generalised trading platform like in guild wars 2 for example?
I mean it is seriously frustrating to have to go through all the capitals to try and find the one item youre looking for, having to re input the search parameters every single time and then realising they dont have what you want and moving on to endor number 25 in town X. Why? Why complicate the lives of sellers and buyers like this?
This brings nothing at all to the game, or if it does, I dont see what it is.
All it does is bring together stupid "trading" guilds that exist only so you can sell your items somewhere. because its incredibly hard to sell your items otherwise!!!
You shoudlnt be FORCED to join a guild that has no sense of camaraderie or friendship to be able to sell something, but you ARE! WHY?
I am waiting for an answer to this question from anyone.
To me, who has always played MMOs that have central trading platforms, this just seems like its a stupid waste of time for everyone.
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Provisioning is nice, but I have some problems with it also.
I am currently a level 30 cook (or whatever you wanna call it) and I have multiple ideas I think would benefit the system.
1: When stealing ingredients, immediately remove stolen status if robbery is successful! How the hell do guards know if a certain apple has been stolen or not? How does this make any sense? the ingredient should be piled on top of the other ingredients you have of the same kind as soon as you have managed to steal without being seen. if you actually are seen, then it makes sense to mark the stolen ingredient as stolen. Currently, you will just end up with two different stacks of stolen/non stolen goods and this will clutter up your inventory space very fast and force you to make frequent trips to the refuge, which is annoying to say the least.
2: The beverage and food skills should be separated in certain aspects, this is because it is near impossible to have enough inventory space for the ingredients required for both. Therefore, I think it would be nice to have separate hireling skills and separate crafting writs. I dont have a single beverage ingredient, but I have tons of food ingredients. I KNOW I wont have enough space for both, so making the game like this forces me to give up on the hireling skill and the crafting writs for provisionning.
3A: Make the extended food duration skill percentage based and not minute based, so that when making a recipe we dont end up with food that works for 2 hours and then an extra worthless 15 minutes.
3B: Make the extended food duration skill be LINKED to the food and not applied when eating food! This skill should affect the food you make, not the food you eat! This would also make the better cook make better recipes, which makes sense!
4: add another skill for food effect boost? not sure about this one, but it would be nice and would emphasize the fact that if you spent time making your own food and levelling up your provissioning skill, then you can make better food than people who didnt.
5A: When eating food, or drinking beverages, ALERT the player if he is already under the effect of a conflicting food/beverage bonus instead of overwriting it directly!
This makes so much sense and yet is lacking form the game! this would also make players consume more because they wouldnt be afraid of erasing previous bonuses.
5B: Add an option to be able to see current bonuses in the UI somewhere (if there is one I apologise but I didn't see it).
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Quick sidenote concerning the legerdemain skill line: all the skills in the skill line are useless (for me, anyway), you should think of ways to make them more alluring. Maybe add a skill for higher rare drop chances from chests or monsters? I mean that shouldnt be so hard. a lot of these are worthless. forcing a lock is stupid because locks are so easy to pick, removing cost of bounty is worthless because if youre a thief, this will do nearly nothing, and I dont think anyone just goes around killing people to try and get the highest bounty possible, for me, sneaking is worthless, because im a tank...
Maybe a skill that makes it so that each time we obtain a treasure map, we obtain two instead? or maybe three? or maybe if we go to the treasure ma location with friend, two chests will spawn instead of one, or maybe more, dpeneding on the level of the skill and the number of friends...
maybe increase the value of stolen items considerably?
Anyway, legerdemain is really hard to level up and it is really disapointing to spend so much time on it and be rewarded with useless skills like this.
well, tell me what you think about my ideas, and if im the only one to think of trading and provisionning and stuff as needing a rework.
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Rikal✭✭✭I'm right with you OP on the chat and auction house stuff. Prepare yourself for some amazing responses.Rikal on NA-PC (aka Rhaulikko)2 -
Rikal✭✭✭I like your provisioning suggestions too. Legerdemain I'm not really interested in right now. Some day I will be once the Thieves Guild is introduced. Similarly, I have no interest in a murderous character without the Dark Brotherhood.Rikal on NA-PC (aka Rhaulikko)0
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AllexioSoul Shriven
hm. sounds interesting but at the same time I find it hard to see how they will do that in an MMO friendly way.0 -
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hm. sounds interesting but at the same time I find it hard to see how they will do that in an MMO friendly way.
Me either, but they are scheduled for the first half of 2016.Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭Disagree with all.
Guild stores are fun, interesting and immersive.
Stolen stuff is stolen, deal with it.
There are lots of ingredients, deal with it.
Legerdemain is fine, wait for more content that they plan to add to make it more useful DB/thievesG.
5A directly... no, food is cheap. Don't annoy me with crappy popup because someone is worried about wasting 100g0 -
AllexioSoul Shrivennotimetocare wrote: »Disagree with all.
Guild stores are fun, interesting and immersive.
Stolen stuff is stolen, deal with it.
There are lots of ingredients, deal with it.
Legerdemain is fine, wait for more content that they plan to add to make it more useful DB/thievesG.
5A directly... no, food is cheap. Don't annoy me with crappy popup because someone is worried about wasting 100g
"Guild stores are fun"
Guild stores are "fun"? what?
You find running around for thirty minutes to find an item youre looking for and then realising that no one has it for sale "fun"?
"Stolen stuff is stolen, deal with it."
So youre telling me you want things to be immersive and then you tell me that you can immediately see if an ingredient was stolen 3 hours ago simply by looking at it?
"There are lots of ingredients, deal with it."
I didnt say "remove ingredients". I said that it would be nice to separate some aspects of provisionning and beverage making so as to make the job a bit more sustainable and specialised.
"5A directly... no, food is cheap. Don't annoy me with crappy popup because someone is worried about wasting 100g"
It could be an option. no one would force you to have it.
all in all, your arguments seem pretty ridiculous to me -.-
You're not adding anything to the conversation and youre just disagreeing for the principle of disagreeing.Edited by Allexio on September 21, 2015 6:59PM0
