IC: Update 7. Please read, vote and comment.

Jax.Brundvandt

Hello players and readers.
I never used the forums before this last update but here I'm.

I use to play videogames to relax, enjoy, be competitive and more. I have a life, a wife, so I have to split the time with all my passions/hobbies/duties... Maybe as you. I know a lot of friends they put, maybe, the 80% of their "time off", playing, others just are a little bit younger and they study so have plenty of time.

I play weekends and some days in the mornings, a few hours, enough to do the pledges and craft things... So.. When I play I want to enjoy and optimize my time in game.
I'm an ESO Plus member as many of my friends and since this last update and the several amount of bugs, fails and this sort of things, I started to heard, a lot...

"The game was better before the update"

-And this is my question for you guys: do you think the game was better before the update?

*please don't misunderstand me... I'm happy to receive new sets, areas, mounts, levels, dungeons and in resume, new content, but... With all the nerf, all those unpopular decisions and the obviously break down of the equilibrium in the game I'm starting to ask myself....

"If we are users..customers, and we don't want it, there should be something to do about it!"

So please... People... Respect each other's opinion, show us your truth and let this post show everybody the truth.

-Z & Moderators.. Its not my will to cause any trouble I'm just asking and I think we have the right to do it... What better place to do it?
Please... If the post don't violate the policy, let it go.

Thanks everybody and please accept my apologies about my bad English. Also I'm writing using my phone which is worst lololol.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Thanks guys for your time.

It's kind of curious how splited we are, and to be honest with you that's not good... In My opinion this should be an absolute success... And I'm start to thinks that,even with a low profile post/poll we are a modest sample of what people think.

Let see if people start voting or answering in order to be visible a little bit and make the poll easy to access.

Thanks guys for your thoughts and votes.

newtinmpls

An MMO (even an MMORPG) is inherently a non-static creature/environment.

It took me a while to make that transition from a computer game (Morrowind didn't change unless and until I put in a mod - and it was one I chose).

So I think the constant spazzing is ... just constant spazzing. I'm here to have fun and explore the 'verse, and I learn to adapt to each change and find ways to do things I like, or to let go of things that don't work any more.

Elhanan

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Ugh, I accidentally selected the wrong choice.

My opinion is that the IC update made the game better overall. Great job ZOS!

cjthibs

No! The game is better now.

There are people who will complain no matter what changes were made. They just don't like change.

There are some legitimate issues with the update, as with all MMO patches, but overall this game is in a better place.

I don't think ZOS is out to get anyone, or deliberately make the game worse. They're working with far more information than any of us are (which makes their decisions harder than ours to make), and I think they're doing a great job for a game as complex as this one is.

FireCowCommando

I will be happy to revisit this once the console community has had a real chance to experience the expansion, early reactions that are based off having v14 gear is not going to be an accurate representation on the new v16 experience.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

FireCowCommando wrote: »

I will be happy to revisit this once the console community has had a real chance to experience the expansion, early reactions that are based off having v14 gear is not going to be an accurate representation on the new v16 experience.

It's a good idea. Maybe we should create a new poll as a continuation in 15 - 20 days.. Do you think it will be time enough to explore IC?

By the way, what is your opinion? Are you coming from PC right? Which is for you the final balance... Thoughts, opinions, thinks that you think it will help us.

Egonieser

No! The game is better now.

Game is both better and worse.
I am a PvP player, and I agree with the changes, the game needed the slower paced combat and getting rid of 1-shooting gankers, rofldodging bunnyblades and infinite streaking sorcs, and permablockers too.
However many of these changes should have never affected anything outside of Cyrodiil. PvP is a whole different ball park to PvE with many different factors and variables.
My interpretation of ZoS's reasoning for doing it in both PvE and PvP alike is simple - they don't know how to seperate them and instead it became "a intended feature" much like animation cancelling used to be/is. I just wish they would suck it up and admit that they lack the knowledge to do it and just move on without all the lies and sharades. People can forgive mistakes, people can't forgive lies and deception.
This combined with plethora of gamebreaking bugs, infinite loading screens, performance issues is what made it worse, however (bugs aside) the direction it is heading definitely shows promise and I will hold on to that hope. I give them the benefit of the doubt because the XPac is still new and ZoS isn't known for their "efficiency" to begin with, but as long as the baseline is there - hopefully it will improve in the right direction.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

That was a good point of wiew... A pvpier point of view and you got your point...

Said that way make sense but you also say something interesting.. Why don't split the PVP form PVE...

I'm a PVE player... Only do some grinds in PVP and now I had to left my staves and go for other options with a PVP build because couldn't adapt my way of playing /build with all the mess...

Why they didn't put IC as a kind of craglorn with PVP? A completely new zone.. That would keep servers cool and would make things easier in my opinion (easier for us at least).

cjthibs

No! The game is better now.

Jax.Brundvandt wrote: »

That was a good point of wiew... A pvpier point of view and you got your point...

Said that way make sense but you also say something interesting.. Why don't split the PVP form PVE...

I'm a PVE player... Only do some grinds in PVP and now I had to left my staves and go for other options with a PVP build because couldn't adapt my way of playing /build with all the mess...

Why they didn't put IC as a kind of craglorn with PVP? A completely new zone.. That would keep servers cool and would make things easier in my opinion (easier for us at least).

IC isn't a new zone?

FireCowCommando

Jax.Brundvandt wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

I will be happy to revisit this once the console community has had a real chance to experience the expansion, early reactions that are based off having v14 gear is not going to be an accurate representation on the new v16 experience.

It's a good idea. Maybe we should create a new poll as a continuation in 15 - 20 days.. Do you think it will be time enough to explore IC?

By the way, what is your opinion? Are you coming from PC right? Which is for you the final balance... Thoughts, opinions, thinks that you think it will help us.

I was a PC transfer i have not played there in a long time, so IC is new to me. But i am a avid reader of the forums, so i believe i have a fairly accurate representation of the new update. Granted this is from the opinions of others.

My biggest gripe against the new update is the gear selection is too basic, while there are plenty of options for armor, jewelry is severely lacking... theres literally 3 sets: magicka, stamina, health/stamina regeneration. Worse is this limited selection is behind a RNG Trophy grind that worthwhile pieces are extremely rare (rings).

End game PvE content is completely outdated and irrelevant, the only benefit a player gets from these Trials/VDSA is now bragging rights.

Combat changes are drastic enough to cause the game to be played completely differently (removal of block casting, tank block builds ect.) via the adjustment to the reactive combat system. Highly recommend adjusting your CP's to take advantage of the new dominate passives. I don't have enough experience to comment on how this plays out in PvP yet since im not geared.

I am hopeful that the game will end up being fairly balanced, and fast paced enough to be fun. I am enjoying it now because i choose not to focus on getting gear; i will get gear just playing for fun with how IC is designed.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Thanks FireCowCommando I'll try to do the same and will see if I enjoy... Thanks again.

cjthibs hello... Yep.. My bad I didn't explain myself.. What I meant was IC should be (in my opinion) in a separate server or servers... Or in a pve zone (free access zone like the pve or story mode game zone) .. In a proper zone at least (server/s) and if you want to do PvP yo can go to cyrodiil... If you want to do some pve.. Stay were you are.. And if you have a nice group or want to go alone go to IC without the alliance war pass through... Like I said... Like Craglorn but with PVP.

Hey it's my opinion... X)

Master_Kas

Yes! The game was better before the update.

This update sucks .

cjthibs

No! The game is better now.

Jax.Brundvandt wrote: »

Thanks FireCowCommando I'll try to do the same and will see if I enjoy... Thanks again.

cjthibs hello... Yep.. My bad I didn't explain myself.. What I meant was IC should be (in my opinion) in a separate server or servers... Or in a pve zone (free access zone like the pve or story mode game zone) .. In a proper zone at least (server/s) and if you want to do PvP yo can go to cyrodiil... If you want to do some pve.. Stay were you are.. And if you have a nice group or want to go alone go to IC without the alliance war pass through... Like I said... Like Craglorn but with PVP.

Hey it's my opinion... X)

We don't know if it is or isn't on separate servers. None of us are privy to the architecture of their server cluster, or how it is coded.

Having it removed from the Alliance War wouldn't make things better in my opinion. It would wind up being the old Craglorn grind all over again. (Which was incredibly boring.)

I get that everyone wants to go there because it's new, but really...there's no reason to change it just because not everyone likes it. There will be more DLC and more additional zones to PvE in. This isn't the end of the road.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Master_Kas wrote: »

This update sucks .

OK. We get it but why... What happened to you or to your friends... We have different opinions here... Would you mind to this some light into this?

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

cjthibs wrote: »

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We don't know if it is or isn't on separate servers. None of us are privy to the architecture of their server cluster, or how it is ccoded.

Yep, you're right but... Ifninwant to play IC why in have to wait the queue of my campaign? Doesn't that means that IC and AW are in the same server?

That's what I'm saying.. If I want to play IC I shouldn't be in the PVP servers ofthe AW and its campaigns.. I should be able tongoninto the IC and then inside find people port PVP in IC.

Despite that... We get there is a few new rules or details that we have to know and get use to it but that doesent change the fact that there is a lot of people unhappy.. People that were happy with the game an characters before the update and now a lot of them are setting things on fire because things don't only change in what to content refers... It also changes in bugs and glitches (plus nerfs) that people don't want and don't understand and all this make them angry or disappointed.

Thanks cjthibs for your time and thoughts/contributions.

Tiebearion

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Load times are killing the game for me, I did that quest with the Deadric portals in Auridon earlier. Took me literally 3 min to do the objectives and 10-15 min of watching the load screens whenever I entered a portal or left one. Had to have a break in between it was killing the game so much for me.

Overall the load screens have killed and changed almost all aspects of the game for me and it sucks.

Does anyone know if they have given an ETA on when the load times will be fixed?

UrQuan

No! The game is better now.

There are some change that were made that I absolutely hate (the changes to collectibles and the super-long loading screens are good examples), but there were also changes that were absolutely necessary (the fix to nirnhoned is a good example), and changes that I think are overall positive (the changes to werewolves, the changes to veteran rank XP, the new group dungeons, and IC as a whole).

Overall I think there's more good than bad in this update. But there is definitely some bad.

CavalierKing

Yes! The game was better before the update.

PvP is now trash as are group PvE. The nerfs to regeneration are ridiculous. The Cyrodiil nerf to healing is ridiculous - there's no point in being a healer anymore, and the nerfs to tanking are ridiculous. Everyone might as well be magicka DPS because that's clearly all ZOS wants you to be.

ontheleftcoast

I love the content and what's more it's turned a die-hard PvE only player into one that loves PvP. The IC did what Cyrodiil itself could not, so I think that speaks highly for it. I realize I have a long learning curve in front of me to get good at PvP but I'm OK with that.

But. (and that should be in 144pt because it's a doozey)

Yeah, the buts.. There are so many horrible bugs in this update, bugs they were told about repeatedly by PTS players. Like the minutes of loading screens, the crashes, the broken.. well, everything.. and ZOS decided they had to ram this baby on to live because "reasons".

If this is what they plan to do with Orisinium I shudder to think of the *** that will turn in to. Does anyone here seriously think this game will be stable before December? Remember, a large part of the dev crew has to have been moved on to the work of cranking out Orsinium, so they won't have the bodies they need to fix this bug farm.

FlicksZ

Yes! The game was better before the update.

As a relatively new low level Vr main on PC, IC offers very little to me atm even as a sub.

- DLC entry possibly denied by non DLC players.. ok.

- PVP is unbalanced - Levels/Gear/CPs/Populations. I enjoy balanced, competitive pvp.

- PVE is a nightmare to complete in IC as I expected.

- 12 man dmg/healing rule in effect - mediocre battle lvl'd first character to Vr14, 20 odd Cp vs V16 bis/min/max and full open world zerg fest 50 vs 1 boss to contend as well ... ok lol RNG gods be with you and hope some die to reset the tables and better your odds?

- Crafting has taken a massive ridiculous hit for me. No Nodes!?! Drops in IC are level appropriate so no new matts/loot to deconstruct. Either buy from players or use TVs to acquire them, pushed even further out of the "economy".

- New dungeons - haven't even done them yet. Most understandably want vr15/16 versions/drops.

Don't get me wrong but I actually love the game overall. The dlc just offers little to my circumstances. I can enjoy or hate the dlc for 3 months at which point depending on where I am and what changes are/are not made to IC I will purchase it and the next dlc with the crowns or leave it and only get the next one(s).

Kuroinu

I can't understand why it's so difficult to add content and mess the system. We want a valid answer.

In my opinion, Imperial City should have been a free DLC like Craglorn was because then they could have gated it with keeps on launch and the initial experience for Imperial City DLC would be that of making Cyrodiil much more valuable and once in the City you would most likely find yourself up against much smaller groups than there is now. Essentially it would be the way Imperial City was meant to be played.

Now I say free because there was a lot of complaining about gated access since people had to pay for the DLC and didn't want to be locked out of it at any point. But even so, it's most likely that gated access is coming to balance the Alliance War and the worth of playing in Cyrodiil to maintain access to Imperial City. This is how it should have been, but because they flinched on the gated access due to paying customers this was never realised and the first impression of Imperial City is one of overwhelming negativity.

I can almost assure you(but of course never be able to prove) that if this DLC was free and all I have said was implemented as intended, there would have been a significant drop in the negativity surrounding this update. Perhaps in a month or so from now, there will be an update that brings it closer to what I have said and what we expected Imperial City to really entail.

The change will come eventually, I'll leave you with a link to a post by our PvP Lead Developer.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Alright... 24h later.. With 96 votes... This is how we are going..

"No! The game was better before" option has 45 votes (45%)
"Yes! The game is better now" option has 36 votes (37%)

And there are a 16% (16 votes) that would be lovely to receive an answer or explanation from ZOS.. (In mynopinion this groups belongs mostly to those who are dissapointed than happy with the update.

This should be am absolute success... A new DLC.. But looks like at least the half ore more of then people who use the forums or saw this post and wanted to participate thinks that it wasn't a success at all.

Sad...

Tomorrow we will have a real test about IC... The first weekend.. What do you think will happen?

Chieve

No! The game is better now.

Any new feature makes the game better, they just need to fix the bugs that came with it

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Chieve wrote: »

Any new feature makes the game better, they just need to fix the bugs that came with it

Well.. I disagree with that afirmation. They try to make the game better but this is subjective. In my opinion they make it worst.... For example... Why if I focus all mi equipment and attributes in been able to dodge and roll several times I have to be merged? Others focus their builds in do damage... Others try an equilibrium... I mean.. This is a fantasy game.. You should be able to have a balance and do some sort of crazy things like run a super healer who can heal a big group of people and everybody want him in their group but you have to protect him because he is so squishy and he's constantly oneshoted because he focus all his strengths in be a super healer...
What about if you spent money and time building a super armored colossus, a classic hero who can step up and face the most horrible creature and tank it while your mates kill it.. If you "train" your habilities and you are used to wear a shield.. Who you can't regenerate stamina while blocking? .. Why because some guys couldn't kill him? Alright that's the point.. I'm so armored and you don't do enough damage.. Thats it... That's the point...

Instead of "you won't regenerate stamina" why "you can regenerate stamina the first 30seconds of the fight then you will see reduced the amound of regeneration" representing that you are getting tired.... The same with roll... OK.. I roll one time (which is already expensive) then the second is a 50% more? Why? you should be able to roll a few times... With a limit... Obviously but why not 2nd /10% more, 3rd/20% more, and so on so forth...

I mean.. There should be better easy way to do this and don't be so drastic.. It's my point of view

Tavore1138

I can't understand why it's so difficult to add content and mess the system. We want a valid answer.

Things peaked around 1.3/1.4 - they have had some good ideas since then (CP/IC) but they have been outweighed by bad implementation and poor ideas. And results like problematic skills, loading times that are longer than many good books and so on. Exacerbated by a stubborn refusal to admit problems until it is far too late to make an PR gains from fixing them.

Vaelen

The game is better for PvP, I approve of the changes.

The game is much worse for PvE now, I disapprove of making tanks the crappiest (and most necessary) role that is beyond boring and challenging for most people to understand, hence why I gave up tanking until it gets fixed.

RizaHawkeye

Yes! The game was better before the update.

Honestly, I think the game was better before the update ... with the caveat that we are NOT considering the IC. I would kind of like to have the game before the update but with the IC.

Soulshine

You should have allowed for another option in the poll: I see the game as no better and no worse since the update.

As in the content provided for IC was long since expected, resulted in exactly what I thought it would and has added exactly what I anticipated it to add.

Conversely, none of the continued bugs, problems, balancing issues, etc. of the game in general have gone away - some in fact, have become worse.

Release of the IC expansion is right about in line with the same tactics used in politics - distract folks from the real issues at hand and perhaps all the bluster over things we still don't really know how to fix will disappear and buy us some more time to figure it out.... same ole, same ole.

Pretty much every update to the game to date has had this same result, so I am fairly non pulsed about all of this.

They have already started nerfing the dungeons, changing the Tel Var stone percentages etc., and I have no doubt they are not done yet. Pretty much standard fare for ZoS... so I would not get too worked up about it either way.

nimander99

No! The game is better now.

The obligatory daily forum thread about hating all change... change is bad m'kay.

Jax.Brundvandt

Yes! The game was better before the update.

nimander99 wrote: »

The obligatory daily forum thread about hating all change... change is bad m'kay.

I posted it yesterday!!!!! .. We are trying to have a dialogue and a debate here.. It's not a guilty guilty post.. Did you read the whole post before post your comment?

If you did it.. Tell us why for you the game is better now.?