Show some love for 2h grinders

Alucardo

Level 25 on stam nb and I've been using 2h since level 1.. still no self healing. Momentum/Rally isn't until rank 38 in the 2h skill tree. You then look at the general magicka alternatives - Grand Healing (rank 2), Regeneration (rank 4), and Steadfast Ward/Healing Ward (rank 20). But for stam grinding, your only real option is to keep popping pots or wait for rank 38. I've been spending a lot of time in Cyrodiil to try and get Vigor (and because I enjoy pvp anyway), but the Alliance skill tree moves really, really slow, which is fine if I had something less useful to heal myself in the meantime. I sometimes get so annoyed with the lack of healing I gain Vampirism just for drain essence, but I don't want to do that, nor do I want to wield a staff as a stam build just to get heals early on in the game.
I'd really like to see some kind of healing added at rank 12-15 in 2h skill tree, or even in sword&board. Doesn't have to be significant, just something to get by until Vigor can be unlocked.

Kammakazi

Grats!

UltimaJoe777

Alucardo wrote: »

Level 25 on stam nb and I've been using 2h since level 1.. still no self healing. Momentum/Rally isn't until rank 38 in the 2h skill tree. You then look at the general magicka alternatives - Grand Healing (rank 2), Regeneration (rank 4), and Steadfast Ward/Healing Ward (rank 20). But for stam grinding, your only real option is to keep popping pots or wait for rank 38. I've been spending a lot of time in Cyrodiil to try and get Vigor (and because I enjoy pvp anyway), but the Alliance skill tree moves really, really slow, which is fine if I had something less useful to heal myself in the meantime. I sometimes get so annoyed with the lack of healing I gain Vampirism just for drain essence, but I don't want to do that, nor do I want to wield a staff as a stam build just to get heals early on in the game.
I'd really like to see some kind of healing added at rank 12-15 in 2h skill tree, or even in sword&board. Doesn't have to be significant, just something to get by until Vigor can be unlocked.

2h Weapon in nature is offensive. The fact it has any healing in all nevermind such a good one is a super boon. Also if you managed to get Alliance War Skills to Level 5 or higher Vigor will be available to you as of the IC patch.

ontheleftcoast

Not to be dismissive but why? Do you really want a fully fleshed out toon at level 25? You're going for solid stamina DPS so why at a relatively low level should you have non-class capabilities. Those are something you should aspire to, not simply be handed as you walk off the docks at Khenarthi or Stros M'kai.

Anhedonie

Alucardo wrote: »

Level 25 on stam nb and I've been using 2h since level 1.. still no self healing. Momentum/Rally isn't until rank 38 in the 2h skill tree. You then look at the general magicka alternatives - Grand Healing (rank 2), Regeneration (rank 4), and Steadfast Ward/Healing Ward (rank 20). But for stam grinding, your only real option is to keep popping pots or wait for rank 38. I've been spending a lot of time in Cyrodiil to try and get Vigor (and because I enjoy pvp anyway), but the Alliance skill tree moves really, really slow, which is fine if I had something less useful to heal myself in the meantime. I sometimes get so annoyed with the lack of healing I gain Vampirism just for drain essence, but I don't want to do that, nor do I want to wield a staff as a stam build just to get heals early on in the game.
I'd really like to see some kind of healing added at rank 12-15 in 2h skill tree, or even in sword&board. Doesn't have to be significant, just something to get by until Vigor can be unlocked.

You do know that restoration skill line kinda meant for healing, right? And has no offensive skills. So you're even.
Also try duals, blood craze morph.

Shinra

Oh come on

Option 1: You can slot dual wield on your second bar. first skill (blood craze) together with two-handed first skill (Brawler) gives you more heal+shield than you would need at your level.

Option 2: Level you Mages Guild skill line. Level 4 gives you Degeneration, another strong heal at that level.

Option 3: As you are NB, just use funnel health to get another heal over time.

Option 4: Vampirism is actually the worst option you have. not much heal, nearly no damage. Only good thing is the ultimate, and there you have soul tether.

Anhedonie

Shinra wrote: »

Oh come on

Option 1: You can slot dual wield on your second bar. first skill (blood craze) together with two-handed first skill (Brawler) gives you more heal+shield than you would need at your level.

Option 2: Level you Mages Guild skill line. Level 4 gives you Degeneration, another strong heal at that level.

Option 3: As you are NB, just use funnel health to get another heal over time.

Option 4: Vampirism is actually the worst option you have. not much heal, nearly no damage. Only good thing is the ultimate, and there you have soul tether.

Also Killer's Blade heals for 25% of max health on kill.

Alucardo

Anhedonie wrote: »

Also Killer's Blade heals for 25% of max health on kill.

I decided with Executioner instead, because while slotted I get a damage increase on low health targets with 2h abilities, it provides physical damage not magical (unless that's a typo on the killer's blade tooltip) and I level my 2h skill tree faster just by having it.
However, by describing that it kind of made me realise I am building my setup around more of a dps than self-sustain, so it should come with drawbacks such as not having heals early on.

UltimaJoe777

Anhedonie wrote: »

Shinra wrote: »

Oh come on

Option 1: You can slot dual wield on your second bar. first skill (blood craze) together with two-handed first skill (Brawler) gives you more heal+shield than you would need at your level.

Option 2: Level you Mages Guild skill line. Level 4 gives you Degeneration, another strong heal at that level.

Option 3: As you are NB, just use funnel health to get another heal over time.

Option 4: Vampirism is actually the worst option you have. not much heal, nearly no damage. Only good thing is the ultimate, and there you have soul tether.

Also Killer's Blade heals for 25% of max health on kill.

Strife and either of its morphs actually, and don't forget Mark Target with that Killer's Blade. Plus there's also Refreshing Path if you're the type to stand their ground.

Shunravi

All you need is brawler and swallow soul...

Meh, maybe not, but it's worked for me.

Alucardo

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Strife and either of its morphs actually, and don't forget Mark Target with that Killer's Blade. Plus there's also Refreshing Path if you're the type to stand their ground.

Yeah, I went with swallow soul for the extra healing, but it doesn't seem to do a whole lot. It's pretty much there to level the siphon tree and the magicka flood passive. Rally is useful because you can use it while running to your next fight. Swallow soul you have to be in a fight to get a minimum amount of health back, and you tend to lose it quicker than it recovers anyway. Not saying it's useless, just not what I was initially after.

UltimaJoe777

Alucardo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Strife and either of its morphs actually, and don't forget Mark Target with that Killer's Blade. Plus there's also Refreshing Path if you're the type to stand their ground.

Yeah, I went with swallow soul for the extra healing, but it doesn't seem to do a whole lot. It's pretty much there to level the siphon tree and the magicka flood passive. Rally is useful because you can use it while running to your next fight. Swallow soul you have to be in a fight to get a minimum amount of health back, and you tend to lose it quicker than it recovers anyway. Not saying it's useless, just not what I was initially after.

Swallow Soul is basically a boost to all healing as long as it is slotted. Usually what I am forced to do at times is spam Funnel Health to manage to stay alive even if for a bit longer while dealing damage until I run out of Magicka. It would be a bit more potent with Swallow Soul but I opted for the team helper lol

Brrrofski

You can level a skill line to 40 stupidly quick.

Add as many skills to your bar as you can for turning in quests.

Smash out as many quests as you can.

Have training on your weapon, make it purple.

I get a weapon skill from 4 to 40 in about 5 hours of hardcore questing.

Alucardo

Brrrofski wrote: »

You can level a skill line to 40 stupidly quick.

Add as many skills to your bar as you can for turning in quests.

Smash out as many quests as you can.

Have training on your weapon, make it purple.

I get a weapon skill from 4 to 40 in about 5 hours of hardcore questing.

Training trait on my 2h weapon.. sometimes I remember when starting an alt, and sometimes I forget. This time round, I forgot.. thanks for reminding me!