BWB NEEDS FIXING!!

Tillalarrien

I am starting this again, as It needs attention and ZOS is currently ignoring all treads related to this.
For start, I hate ppl that rage on the forums so I will try not to. That being said BwB (playing on EU, but I imagine NA is not better) needs fixing ASAP!!

MAIN PROBLEM: damage reduction. Altough it works well for vet campaigns and I am not asking you to change that, it is DESTROYING non-vet. Therefore I ask u, and I am not alone in this wish, to plys REVERT the damage reduction ONLY on BWB to the previous value.
Here is the list of the consequences of your current setting:

- Fights between normal players are ENDLESS and BORING.
- sieges are TOO LONG, what in turn resoults in any tactics like taggs or 50/50 being USELESS as enemy can practicly walk to you form 2 keeps away and still zergs u before u capture the 1st flagg.
- Sieges make ZERO DMG so LARGER GROUPS WIN always and without exeptions, defending a keep with smaller experienced group is IMPOSSIBLE as enemy can basicly bath and dance in OIL and FIRE balistas for 5 MINUTES, and then swarm you.

All this things in turn dont promote SKILLED play, but ZERGING. Swarming a keep is the only viable way to capture it, as distractions and taggs are useless. Zerging is neither CHALLENGING nor FUN for most of the population. If pomoting ZERGING was your intet, then just ignore the post and GOOD JOB!!.

ANOTHER PROBLEM (less crucial but still in need of change): point system. Setting scrolls being worth same as a resource is just dumb. Scrolls are way harder to get and previously defending or capturing them was INTENSE and FUN, and rewarding. Now noone cares.. Capturing 2 resources just before the score evaluation gives you more points then scroll even though its 100x EASIER and provide ZERO challenge. Only time PPL capture the scroll is when they NIGHTCAPP and paint all map yellow.. there is no intesive for pushing for enemy scrolls anymore. Recommendation: resources 1point, keeps 3points, scrolls 6points - I think all players would agree on this.

BwB was your most active server in terms of BALANCED and ACTIVE PVP, that was also very friendly to newcomers. We were running organized groups with experienced leaders for everyone to join, teaching them, fighting each other and generaly having FUN. I appreciate your changes to try and solve some problems on vet servers, but with doing that you DESTROYED imo the best campaign there was. AGAIN: I am not asking to revert Battle spirit on vet campaigns - ONLY ON BWB.
Regulars of BwB, including whole guilds, left the campaign in search of a new home, but are STILL SEARCHING, and hoping BwB gets fixed. Its really sad to see the community that was so good and active, now DEAD.

THE MAIN POINT is, BwB is right now completly broken and destroyed.. regulars and their guilds left as play right now promotes ZERGING instead of skilled play and is on top of that also SLOW and BORING. All that remains are few (and I mean FEW players, mostly newcomers that wont learn anything, will be getting zerged as soon as they start a siege on a yellow-painted map, and will eventually decide that PvP of this game apparently suck and STOP PLAYING it - if THAT was your intent then ignore this post and GOOD JOB!!

If I forgot anything fellow BwBers, feel free to add it (just plys leave CP discussion out of this for now)..

PLYS, FIX IT!! @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_RichLambert - any reply or acknowledgement of the problem is also VERY VERY WELCOME!!

JamilaRaj

1) remove damage reduction
2) cap regen of whatever at 700
3) buff NPC damage by 100-200% and make them invulnerable to siege engines and out of range attacks of any kind

...then the noob campaign would feel...a bit...as it was 12 months ago.

Woman

Tbh, I've lost all hope.

CP5

JamilaRaj wrote: »

1) remove damage reduction
2) cap regen of whatever at 700
3) buff NPC damage by 100-200% and make them invulnerable to siege engines and out of range attacks of any kind

...then the noob campaign would feel...a bit...as it was 12 months ago.

Oh, the days where a tower mage or archer could wipe a group. As harsh as that sounds that was a better game in my opinion.

Paradox

I gave up. They don't care. I'd quit this game at this point, if it weren't for the awesome friends I've made...

Nothing in this game interests me anymore, and they took away the one thing that made the game seem fun. IC is amazing on the surface, I love the idea, the design of the areas, and the world bosses... But it's ruined by zergs and one or two classes. They destroyed 1vX for most classes and builds... And they made defensive play kill you faster than offensive.

Their changes make no sense, but I won't even try to convince them to do anything. It's been... Weeks... Since @Woman made the original post about BwB, and we still have no replies. It's clear they don't care.

Tillalarrien

Im loosing hope too, but before I give up I wanna see their reasoning to why the change wont happen!

newtinmpls

What does BwB actually stand for?

Paradox

newtinmpls wrote: »

What does BwB actually stand for?

@newtinmpls Blackwater Blade. It's the nonvet pvp campaign

newtinmpls

Paradox wrote: »

Blackwater Blade. It's the nonvet pvp campaign

Ahhhh.... thank you so much.

The folks I play with are mostly vets so I haven't been in a non-vet campaign. Which is probably partly why my lvl 25 DK dies a lot in IC

Traveller

It baffles me that a campaign which I think was aimed at new players and anyone who wanted to recapture that early fun is now doing the opposite. Come on ZOS have a rethink we don't what a campaign that's just an easy emperor farm for players with loads of champion points.

Valencer

It's basically Update 6 all over again. Battle Level stats were greatly buffed and the numbers in the whole game were changed (multiplied by 10, in a lot of cases) and suddenly siege barely tickled people, too.

It was a rough couple of weeks, but It affected vet too, so eventually siege was greatly buffed. I'm sure history will repeat itself, since this time it also affects vet again.

JamilaRaj

Well, that fix to siege engines was double edged as it broke already underperforming NPCs, which were not fixed to this day.

raviour

want to cry

raviour

the npc dont work and siege are crap so ad noob just walk around keeps takin no dmg

Paradox

Nope, still nothing about it. Glad they're taking it seriously. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they're just laughing at us for making threads about it.

Tillalarrien

this is just sad all im hoping now is they just have a bit too much work with fixes to IC, and will eventually take time for our problem.. If that is the case I am willing to wait.

That being said, I still want their reply stating they are aware of the problem and that it will be solved in a future!!

Kiara

Black water needs to be fixed sooner or later. It's only one non vet campaign and it was most balanced European server for me. One way or another, patch destroyed almost perfect balance in BwB which is so critically needed in this campaign. Due to people who still plays there and also due to new people who come there. Like Tal made his mind- all he wrote is just a painful true for us. Tal wrote everything I wanted to point about BwB mistakes. I really hope that any DEV will answer to this. I speak also as a guild leader. The whole guild agreed with me at this point- this campaign should be really interesting especially to newcomers- but there is nothing interesting in everything yellow painted.

Kobaal

Man that sucks. I never really played in BwB bceause I usually lvl all my characters from lvl 1 to vet1 in 8 hours.

I dabbled a bit with my templar but I havnt played that one in a long time.

Kiara

Yeah in short words- it sucks now.

Tzadik

I agree with most posts above. We need BwB balanced.

I think that point of ESO's PvP is that it should push people to use tactics and think with their heads. Right now all you need is a zerg to fight NPC's in 6am. It's not fun anymore. And don't get me wrong, I don't really care if we win or louse, but I care for balance because it gives a chance to a better group.

Aillen

I'd like to throw my support and vote towards BwB review and change. As a small group of 10 players that I run, we are constantly faced with the "Zerg or be zerged" conundrum. What I enjoy most about this game is branching out from meta builds and creating some wacky combination of abilities that work well within a small group environment of like-minded individuals. Within BwB, this was not only achievable but also encouraged! I'm able to appreciate the hard work and precise thinking that ZOS Dev team put into creating such an exquisite system.

In BwB, I was able to explore several different activities that PVP has to offer (Taking keeps in a small group. Helping gank for the zerg ball. Flagging related keeps. small field battles. etc.) Some of the best experiences in the non-vet campaign was having hour or 2 hour long battles at a keep staving off enemy players. War stories and bonds were formulated between players in the faction. When you achieved a goal, it felt like landing on the moon and the whole faction or Teamspeak lit up with cries of celebration at our well earned-victory.

The whole community is really excited at the prospect of change and I'm sure that ALL of us would be more than happy to pitch in and assist you in whatever you need to create a special balance for Blackwater Blade. You want us to play on the test-server? You got it. You want us to send in statistics? Absolutely! To us, when we home this campaign, it is our HOME. The people I fight aren't blind enemies that I trashtalk, they are regarded as excellent skilled players that I grow to appreciate their builds and executions.

I played some Vet PVP stuff (Both using my vet and my non-vet characters) and I'm not the biggest fan of prox det zergs or meteor spamming. I don't feel like that type of environment is really for me. Blackwater, on the other hand, that is for me! When a group of lvl10's can come in and completely mess up the plans of a few lvl 40s, you feel the sense of power and thrilling excitement. Blackwater Blade has genuinely assist me in building strong thriving friendships with so many players in a time of my life where I desperately needed an escape. I will do whatever it takes to get a little love sprinkled back into Blackwater Blade. I'm pretty efficient at recruiting as well so please let me know how we as players can help you as developers rebuild our community.

Tillalarrien

Hah I just fond this under "Unanswered qustions" section
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/204334/is-non-vet-pvp-going-to-be-tested-on-pts#latest

Its just so sad.. A reply isnt that hard is it? Are we asking for too much?

Aillen

Tillalarrien wrote: »

Hah I just fond this under "Unanswered qustions" section
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/204334/is-non-vet-pvp-going-to-be-tested-on-pts#latest

Its just so sad.. A reply isnt that hard is it? Are we asking for too much?

Do you think they are trying to phase out non-vet entirely? o.o!!

Kiara

Aillen is right. BwB created unique opportunites. This time after patch only zerg tactic counts. Days when a few experienced players with a good defense could stop full siege- are sadly gone. Of course, tagging and 50/50 tactics still counts, but even less than before. Also, Aillen made a critical point- some people consider Blackwater as their HOME. They won't move to another campaign and even if they char gone vet rank (RIP) then they just happily create another character only to still play BwB! That campaign had some magic within which is gone now because of patch. As I said before- doing your damn effort to take home keeps back then you return after short period of time and you see everything painted in most populated colour is no fun. Newcomer will come, see what's going on and leave. There are still some people that try to make it work but let's be honest- it won't work no matter how hard you will try because we will be stuck in scheme. You see everything yellow coloured, you take your home keeps back, going off, going online and you see everything painted again. This is endless circle since patch came out.

Mauz

Make use of the opportiunity of the ingame feedback function. Might be more helpful than making forum posts and replacing a running threads every now and then with a new one.

Asmael

WTB dev's /lurk...

But many things buffed up zergs, not only the damage mitigation, but also (and almost no one mentions it), the fact that the resource pools haven't budged an inch.

Everyone is harder to kill, but you have the same pools to work with and work toward the same target (e.g. eliminating your opponent).

This, the fact that you are absolutely not punished for standing in the red circles (sieges do less, but we still have the same room in keeps for defending), but also the stamina nerf: a zergling isn't going to use block / dodge roll when he's zerging someone, no, the 1vX-ers are the ones who rely the most on dodge roll / block to sustain themselves.

I'm part of the organized guilds that used to fight outnumbered -and win. But setting up killzone isn't half as efficient as it was in 1.6.

BwB needs fixing, yup.

Kiara

Mauz I already tried to use ingame feedback, believe me.

Asmael- yes, you're right about it. I forgot to mention that indeed (too ma y things destroying BwB ). Killzones are not effective at all now.
Also, I don't want to make another thread since this one is created- and I didn't want to write it in general Blackwater thread.

Tillalarrien

Well I am still waiting ZOS

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173358/blackwater-blade-eu#latest
This thread was once fun discussion between rival factions of BwB.. RIP 30.8.2015

Paradox

I totally quit the game because of the changes made in the IC patch.

Normally when I got bored of PvE, I could just go back to Blackwater and enjoy myself and forget the reasons I was bored with it. Now, there's nothing. Nothing in this game that interests me at all. They removed, essentially, the one thing holding a lot of players in the game.

Wish ZoS would fix nonvet, but it's clear to everyone that they just don't care. I wish them the best and hope their game lasts another year - - which, at this rate, would be a miracle.

Smeag

Surely they are going to fix it.. Blackwater cannot be working as intended right now...

JamilaRaj

Aillen wrote: »

I'm able to appreciate the hard work and precise thinking that ZOS Dev team put into creating such an exquisite system.

Except they put zero thinking into creating BWB, that is why it was so good and much better than vet campaigns they put effort into; it was product of pure chance. Even as they had it right in front of their faces, they failed to see it was the best PvP they had to offer and understand why. And so instead of making vet campaigns more like the noob campaign, they kept tweaking vet nonsense until changes spilled over to the noob campaign and ruined it as well.