Instant research on traits in the crown store?

Tannakaobi

How would people feel about that? Too pay to win maybe? Or is it pay to catch up...

I would use some crowns to instantly research one item right now... This isn't there already is it? I couldn't see it and was surprised to be honest. It must be because of the pay to win implications. In which case can I have a bouncy castle instead to spend my dough on?

nimander99

That would *** me off pretty much... but I wouldn't be surprised if we see it.

jackiemanuel

Hell no

Waffennacht

I would be extremely displeased, especially after this amount of time and pc's

psychojudge

It would not be fair to the players who did spend days on end researching every trait there is.




BUT if the add it to the crownstore i wil be happy to use it

LordSemaj

psychojudge wrote: »

It would not be fair to the players who did spend days on end researching every trait there is.

You mean like the Horse training that shaves off 6 months of logins?

Arreyanne

You are fixing to be mauled by the "That would be pay to win" crowd. Personally I never understood why the increase was so steep. Researching the 9 trait should have never taken longer than 12 hours.

And instant research would sell

psychojudge

Yeah thats another thing i still have 130lessons to go for my horse its a time consuming proces indeed

Selique

LordSemaj wrote: »

psychojudge wrote: »

It would not be fair to the players who did spend days on end researching every trait there is.

You mean like the Horse training that shaves off 6 months of logins?

Horse training I don't mind. How fast someone can ride their horse doesn't bother me in the slightest..

However, I spent many many many months researching traits, looting gear with the right trait, crafting sets and everything... I'd be pretty mad if they gave that out for 700 crowns a trait >.>

myrrrorb14_ESO

I imagine it will come sooner or later. They dont want to flood the crown store too fast. It will sell big for certain. Stay tooned!

dodgehopper_ESO

Selique wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

psychojudge wrote: »

It would not be fair to the players who did spend days on end researching every trait there is.

You mean like the Horse training that shaves off 6 months of logins?

Horse training I don't mind. How fast someone can ride their horse doesn't bother me in the slightest..

However, I spent many many many months researching traits, looting gear with the right trait, crafting sets and everything... I'd be pretty mad if they gave that out for 700 crowns a trait >.>

The reason people get concerned about this, is that in pvp your horse speed is extremely important. Obtaining the traits is a heroic task, and I suspect more difficult to put together a full set of 9-trait on everything than it is to gain a full set of Xivkyn or Glass (when you factor in all the time taken). The style upgrades are more of a feather in your cap though as you build your Crafter. Lets just hope they add proper bonemould and chitin armor sets.

Gidorick

Why not? It would be a shortcut. I would think you would still need an item with that trait and the "Instant Revelation" potion would simply let you bypass the time requirement.

pinkempyreal

Gods no!! That would be another step closer to this game becoming pay to win. If you want to craft the best gear sets you should have to work for it and wait like everyone else.

Prof_Bawbag

Selique wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

psychojudge wrote: »

It would not be fair to the players who did spend days on end researching every trait there is.

You mean like the Horse training that shaves off 6 months of logins?

Horse training I don't mind. How fast someone can ride their horse doesn't bother me in the slightest..

However, I spent many many many months researching traits, looting gear with the right trait, crafting sets and everything... I'd be pretty mad if they gave that out for 700 crowns a trait >.>

It will eventually come as more people drift away from the game. As things currently stand, I see no reason why they would add in trait researches to the crown store. However, when the majority of people left in the game are near maxed, it becomes less appealing for noobs to enter the fray without some quick catch up methods at their disposal for certain things.

Callous2208

Yea, I'm in agreement with some others. You really only tip-toe around p2win with the horse training in the crown store, since the only advantage is slight speed/stam in Cyrodiil. The trait thing though, eh, that's pretty much diving on in. Even though crafted sets are becoming less and less powerful or BiS, they still are used to make some of the best combos. Also, I'm holding out hope that with future content, crafting will get some love again. So, it's a resounding no for me, I would not care for that addition at all.

Selique

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

psychojudge wrote: »

It would not be fair to the players who did spend days on end researching every trait there is.

You mean like the Horse training that shaves off 6 months of logins?

Horse training I don't mind. How fast someone can ride their horse doesn't bother me in the slightest..

However, I spent many many many months researching traits, looting gear with the right trait, crafting sets and everything... I'd be pretty mad if they gave that out for 700 crowns a trait >.>

The reason people get concerned about this, is that in pvp your horse speed is extremely important. Obtaining the traits is a heroic task, and I suspect more difficult to put together a full set of 9-trait on everything than it is to gain a full set of Xivkyn or Glass (when you factor in all the time taken). The style upgrades are more of a feather in your cap though as you build your Crafter. Lets just hope they add proper bonemould and chitin armor sets.

Haha, I'd love to see some Bonemould and Chitin!

corrosivechains

Honestly I have no problem with it and really don't see this as pay2win. It really isn't, since you'd still be able to unlock traits in game. It's by definition a quality of life addition to the store. And seeing as how ZoS seems to meet the community in the middle when it comes to the store, it'd also probably mean seeing a craftable food item, potion, or quest that'd shorten the timer through in-game means.

Rune_Relic

1. I will hate it after all the time and effort.
2. Its a 'time-saver'....so ZOS will no doubt do it.
3. When they triple research times you will know it will be in the store SOON[tm]

DaveMoeDee

Man, with the amount of gold I spent on nirnhorned items to research, it would have to be really expensive.

DaveMoeDee

corrosivechains wrote: »

Honestly I have no problem with it and really don't see this as pay2win. It really isn't, since you'd still be able to unlock traits in game. It's by definition a quality of life addition to the store. And seeing as how ZoS seems to meet the community in the middle when it comes to the store, it'd also probably mean seeing a craftable food item, potion, or quest that'd shorten the timer through in-game means.

To be honest, I agree with much of this sentiment. Yeah, it has taken me a long time to do research and a lot of in-game currency to buy nirnhorned items for research, but I also like doing the work. At the end, it will feel like an accomplishment. Others being able to buy won't matter.

There is an argument that it will matter because I won't be able to sell nirnhorned gear to other researchers. That is how many can get back their gold investment in research. I doubt I would get the nirncrux needed to sell such items anyway.

The main rpg downside is that people can craft all pre-IC equipment pretty early.

I tend to be generally pretty accepting of pay shortcuts like this. Just don't sell the best gear in the store, or combat stat boosters.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Hmm.... kinda half and half. Yes it be unfair to other who researched the time like me I got every single trait for all the gear after months of research but other side I would love it cause I do not have that stupid worthless nirnhond trait on anything and I don't wanna pay 15,000+ gold for a iron sword with the trait cause player guilds are greedy.

So 1 side unfair to those who researched but other side it means players will stop charging 15K+ gold for nirnhoned items.

Sithisvoid

nimander99 wrote: »

That would *** me off pretty much... but I wouldn't be surprised if we see it.

Agreed

RooBeeO

Tannakaobi wrote: »

How would people feel about that? Too pay to win maybe? Or is it pay to catch up...

I would use some crowns to instantly research one item right now... This isn't there already is it? I couldn't see it and was surprised to be honest. It must be because of the pay to win implications. In which case can I have a bouncy castle instead to spend my dough on?

I'd delete the game and never return.

UrQuan

I would definitely be against instant research as being pay to win. It would completely invalidate the skill points that people spend in passives to get faster research and be able to research more than one item at a time. That means that people who pay for instant research in the Crown store would be directly more powerful than people researching the traditional way due to having more skill points to spend without having to actually work for more skill points.

Having said that, ESO+ members already get a 10% reduction in research time, and I wouldn't be opposed to a crown store consumable that worked in a similar way. Use the consumable and all of your remaining research times are reduced by 10% or something. It would have to be something that could only be applied once to each item you're researching, though, because otherwise it could effectively become the same as being able to buy instant research.

Tannakaobi

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

corrosivechains wrote: »

Honestly I have no problem with it and really don't see this as pay2win. It really isn't, since you'd still be able to unlock traits in game. It's by definition a quality of life addition to the store. And seeing as how ZoS seems to meet the community in the middle when it comes to the store, it'd also probably mean seeing a craftable food item, potion, or quest that'd shorten the timer through in-game means.

To be honest, I agree with much of this sentiment. Yeah, it has taken me a long time to do research and a lot of in-game currency to buy nirnhorned items for research, but I also like doing the work. At the end, it will feel like an accomplishment. Others being able to buy won't matter.

There is an argument that it will matter because I won't be able to sell nirnhorned gear to other researchers. That is how many can get back their gold investment in research. I doubt I would get the nirncrux needed to sell such items anyway.

The main rpg downside is that people can craft all pre-IC equipment pretty early.

I tend to be generally pretty accepting of pay shortcuts like this. Just don't sell the best gear in the store, or combat stat boosters.

Just to clarify I meant a potion to work around the research times only. You would still need to collect the items to learn the trait.

Personally I'm in favor of the potion for time saving and against buying trait items in store. The potion just helps catch up and make life a little better/quicker. However items are important for the game economy like you said.

I'm against the idea that, you have played this game longer therefore you must be better. Skill and knowledge should also play a part.

TheShadowScout

Personally I'd hate it, and wouldn't use it. But if it cost enough... I wouldn't be upset about others having the option either.

Corellon Thromorin

If that happens Eso will be closer to a B2P2P2W.

acw37162

Technically speaking they need something to level the crafting playing field.

At 30 days research times for the last trait and seven pieces of gear your roughly at three months or so provided your able to find everything you need exactly when you need it.

Console hadn't even been live or has just been live long enough fir a day one console with perfect luck to be able to craft fully researched sets. Unless you were a PC transfer who has had a year plus not to mention I heard future PC transfers are a possibility.

With armor master coming around the corner for consoles, arguably one of the best sets in the new DLC, day one non-PC transfers wouldn't have any availbity.

I think something needs to be done to mediate the gap but not trivialize researching.

They need transfers to honor their commitment but it created an imbalance that could use some help to correct itself. I would actually prefer this not be a cash item but we'll see.

H3Li0S

I want scroll that cast a magic to insta pew pew my enemies.

Gilvoth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X21mJh6j9i4

Alucardo

Good luck with that. You can't suggest nail vanish in the crown store without people screaming "P2W, P2W!!". Even though the traits are obtainable by everyone in game for free, they don't understand people have lives and can't log in every day to research. In any case, asking for a feature in the crown store that offers anything other than cosmetics you are going to get mauled, so I wouldn't even bother trying.