Enchantment Leveling

ChibiMechaX78

I've been neglecting leveling this skill line because I've been selling the runes for good money. However I have been deconstructing all my glyphs. I am almost done with all my other crafting skills besides alchemy; been seeking those to though I did take it upon myself to discover their traits.

Anyways I don't craft very many things as I've progressed for many reasons. I've just been deconstructing and researching just about anything. Does making glyphs give more xp? I never did take notice which is why I ask. Currently I am saving up runes to get some xp when I decide to start doing so.

Why does enchanting take so long to level? It seems like it takes awhile

MissBizz

Fortunately they actually made enchanting easier to level than it was in the past.

Deconstructing glyphs gives you the most XP, more specifically, deconstructing looted glyphs will give more XP than player made glyphs. If you do have a lot of runes, it is worth crafting a bunch totrade with someone to deconstruct, but looted ones are best.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/187809/enchanting-extraction-for-leveling-its-not-what-you-think#latest

ChibiMechaX78

MissBizz wrote: »

Fortunately they actually made enchanting easier to level than it was in the past.

Deconstructing glyphs gives you the most XP, more specifically, deconstructing looted glyphs will give more XP than player made glyphs. If you do have a lot of runes, it is worth crafting a bunch totrade with someone to deconstruct, but looted ones are best.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/187809/enchanting-extraction-for-leveling-its-not-what-you-think#latest

I do recall during the crafting tutorial process it mentioned that looted glyphs and deconstructing them would give you more xp than simply deconstructing your own. However I wasn't sure if making them gave the same amount as deconstructing the looted glyphs which is what I hoped for.

SpAEkus

@MissBizz

Have you seen what exactly is giving the higher IP?

The reason I ask is I have been giving an Alt all of my master crafters' Enchanting Survey returns and on the same exact green glyphs, Major, Greater, Grand, and Splendid, the first glyph of a stack may give higher IP than the 2nd and 3rd.

And the IP from the 2nd or 3rd glyph IS the same as the known IP for crafted glyphs.

I wondered if there was some extra IP being given for decon of an unknown Rune, but of course there is no way to verify. But the pattern continues to persist and I have not heard that decon was giving IP for learning new runes as it does for crafting glyphs with unknown runes.

The IP for decon of crafted glyphs is known and published but it would be nice to understand the math for loot glyphs.

MissBizz

SpAEkus wrote: »

@MissBizz

Have you seen what exactly is giving the higher IP?

The reason I ask is I have been giving an Alt all of my master crafters' Enchanting Survey returns and on the same exact green glyphs, Major, Greater, Grand, and Splendid, the first glyph of a stack may give higher IP than the 2nd and 3rd.

And the IP from the 2nd or 3rd glyph IS the same as the known IP for crafted glyphs.

I wondered if there was some extra IP being given for decon of an unknown Rune, but of course there is no way to verify. But the pattern continues to persist and I have not heard that decon was giving IP for learning new runes as it does for crafting glyphs with unknown runes.

The IP for decon of crafted glyphs is known and published but it would be nice to understand the math for loot glyphs.

That I don't know. We only tested with white normal looted glyphs, not green or higher, nor were ours from crafting writs.

Deconstructing glyphs should give you higher IP than crafting one, but I haven't paid attention to that in awhile. If you have an add-on such as loot drop, you can have it show the IP after decon/crafting to confirm this.

SpAEkus

Yes that's what I have been watching with both Loot Drop and CLS.

The reason I'm noticing the difference is I'm keeping track to how close the Alt is getting to the level I want and deciding when to just craft glyphs to finish the level(s).

It sounds like there are several different IP calculations in play now between the various Glyph types.

MissBizz

SpAEkus wrote: »

Yes that's what I have been watching with both Loot Drop and CLS.

The reason I'm noticing the difference is I'm keeping track to how close the Alt is getting to the level I want and deciding when to just craft glyphs to finish the level(s).

It sounds like there are several different IP calculations in play now between the various Glyph types.

I have also heard vendor glyphs are treated differently so maybe writ ones are two?

Nestor

SpAEkus wrote: »

Have you seen what exactly is giving the higher IP?

The reason I ask is I have been giving an Alt all of my master crafters' Enchanting Survey returns and on the same exact green glyphs, Major, Greater, Grand, and Splendid, the first glyph of a stack may give higher IP than the 2nd and 3rd.

And the IP from the 2nd or 3rd glyph IS the same as the known IP for crafted glyphs.

I wondered if there was some extra IP being given for decon of an unknown Rune, but of course there is no way to verify. But the pattern continues to persist and I have not heard that decon was giving IP for learning new runes as it does for crafting glyphs with unknown runes.

The IP for decon of crafted glyphs is known and published but it would be nice to understand the math for loot glyphs.

I think it is the Potency level that determines the difference, and maybe the aspect does too. There is a mechanic in the game where the first time you craft some things, you get more Insp, like the first time you make a Blue Recipe, or the first time you make a Glyph from a rune you don't know. I also think there is a bigger boost from learning two runes on one glyph as opposed to learning one rune on each of two glyphs. But, there are just a few of these really, so its not huge impact on the over all leveling.

However, while knowing the math might be good and all, what would you do with it? Ignore certain glyphs you get as loot? I don't think making a bunch on a alt and deconning them on another (or another player) is really the way to go either, as you don't get back anywhere near all the runes you would use to make them. So all you would be doing is using up your supply of runes. Of course if you have tons to do this with, more power to you. Bottom line, no matter what the math is, your going to be deconning a bunch of glyphs, or using up a bunch of runes making them, to level enchanting. Whether you can get there with 900 or 950 operations, it really does not matter. At least to me.

My recommendation, farm undead, daedra and human mobs for glyphs and just decon them. You get gold, experience, you can level skills quickly and you get other loot to decon or vendor.

Note for you players that are just starting out, decon the glyphs you get as you play and your enchanting will usually keep up with you as you level to allow you to make the glyphs you need as you go along. And you will have a good supply of mats to make them with. But during leveling, it might make more sense to just buy the glyphs from a game merchant or even a kiosk if they are priced cheaper. Your outleveling your equipment in hours, the differences at lower levels between White to Kuta is not really all that much so no need to really go with anything other than white or maybe green glyphs, except maybe on a weapon. Once your in the VR Ranks, you tend to keep your equipment for much longer, so it makes more sense to use the better glyphs then. Heck, I have tons of runes, and three master enchanters and I never make glyphs for my alts as I level them.

Finally, if you really want to see inspiration gains, make a bunch of glyphs with Rekuta or Kuta aspects, you get a huge chunk of Inspiration for that. It just costs a bunch of gold for the aspects. Greens might be good too for grinding on this. But, remember, it's the Potencies that are what is really rare in the game, not the Aspects. Except maybe the Kuta/Rekuta's but you can always buy those in the guild kiosks, it's the potencies that are harder to find really.

SpAEkus

At least to me.

This entire game is based on the math. I'm just a player that likes to know the math to apply to my play. The reason the math is nice to know is then it gives me the knowledge to use any number of options to get the Craft leveled, or to accomplish any other goal in this game.

I wouldn't ignore specific glyphs, and writ 9 gives the same glyphs within a range every time anyway. Knowing how many I have to do to reach a goal is just part of my game play.

When I first started seeing threads saying looted decon was now higher than crafted, I wanted to know how much higher so I could decide for my own resources whether I shouldn't waste them for leveling.

So I started using my writ 9 returns and I was getting the same IP levels as crafted on several attempts in succession. And then more on some individual attempts. So it wasn't just a given that looted was higher, something else was involved.

I have a main-crafter and 6 Alt-crafters, that's a lot of resources if I ever get them all leveled on enchanting. Knowing the math means knowing the most effective way to get there. When we started at launch the IP math was a certain way, and now its changed and hasn't changed.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to play, but I think sharing all the knowledge we can glean from this game allows every different type of player to use as much or as little of it to enjoy the game in their own way.

Psych32

I need help with enchanting. The glyphs drops in deshaan are to low and I dont have the gold to buy form trades all the time. If there is an enchanters guild with open slots I'd be happy to join. psn username: PSYCHO_STORM32

Scyantific

1. Deconstruct everything you come across.
2. Do Not craft glyphs. Each unknown glyph provides a big chunk of XP for learning what it is. Save crafting for that final push so it doesn't become an unberable grind.
3. If you have to, you can simply learn the Oko, Makko, Deni, Ta, and one Potency rune so you can do writs. Just don't toss points into Potency Improvement so you don't have to go off crafting other tiers of glyphs.

Nestor

SpAEkus wrote: »

When I first started seeing threads saying looted decon was now higher than crafted, I wanted to know how much higher so I could decide for my own resources whether I shouldn't waste them for leveling.

Not much higher. Less than 3%.

Nestor wrote: »

Just did some testing with extracting glyphs. On a character with L24 and one with L44 in Enchanting, extracting white Grand Glyphs, I got identical results:

(I have ESO Plus and the Inspiration Passive in CS)

Looted Glyphs 3468
Glyphs Made by Another Player 3368
Glyphs Made by a Another Character 3368

I had a guild mate do some extractions, on their L14 in Enchanting Character, they have ESO Plus, but no Inspiration Boost from CS.

Looted Glyphs 2934
Glyphs Made by Another Player 2850
Glyphs Made by a Another Character 2850

However the friction of using up the materials making the enchants and then extracting them on an alt gives the edge to using mob loot, for no other reason than it's a net material gain to extract those. That is the math you need to worry about.

The most over all efficient use of your time is to farm glyphs from mobs.