Fire Dk build question

Iraqi_Swat

Hello ,

As a VR12 magicka build dk i go with mainly fire dot and dps ... however iam still not sure for what armor set or mundus stone is good for my build ... iam using the adroitness set and the mage mundus stone .. however iam considering using the silks of sun set and the apperantice stone as it seem to do more damage ... so what is the best armor set for my build and what is more better the mage or the apperentice for end game content ..
Thanks in advance .

Cuyler

If you can pick up either the sun's or martial knowledge for a cheap price go ahead. Don't pay a lot for them as you'll be throwing them away most likely at v16.

you'll want either valkyn scoria or Nierieth's for head and shoulders;
torug's pact chest and staffs;
cyrodiil's light rings;
5 pc sun's or 4pc martial knowledge

Mundus:
Apprentice or shadow

v16 will bring a totally different build so like I said, don't go breaking the bank on these...they should be cheap now that all the v16s aren't in the market for them.

Stannum

Iraqi_Swat wrote: »

Hello ,

As a VR12 magicka build dk i go with mainly fire dot and dps ... however iam still not sure for what armor set or mundus stone is good for my build ... iam using the adroitness set and the mage mundus stone .. however iam considering using the silks of sun set and the apperantice stone as it seem to do more damage ... so what is the best armor set for my build and what is more better the mage or the apperentice for end game content ..
Thanks in advance .

really? I have fire DK (v11) in magnus(5)+torug(3) both crafted on vr5 and 2 cyro light rings VR6 and I'm too lazy to craft new sets at level as my DPS is enought for going vet dangeons at any scale and also is more then enought to pass throw Cadwell's gold content or Craglorn. And on VR16 you'll need totaly new sets may be phoenix and willpower may be smth else.

caperon

Right now I use 5 sun + 4 healers (don't have cyrodiil's light) + 1 molag kena + 2 swords of torug's pact (vr16 golden ) for my whip bar (single target). I have 2740 spell power (apprentice, 3280 with entropy) i use pots on cooldown tho.

On my area bar i use 1 torug's fire staff (don't have the master).

For vr12-13-14 i think your best choice is the Sun set + healers jewelry (is cheap) + crafted sets (torugs...). I feel skoria has been nerfed really hard, i prefer now use 1 monster shoulder (kena), need to test nerieneth's. You can use martial knowledge too, but don't spend much money (as Cuyler noted) because vr14 drops a lot in vr16 scaled dungeons.

Good thing about the Sun set is that I think it scales extremelly well with spell power, the more spell power you have, the more extra damage it ads, but im not sure on how the game does this calcs so i could be wrong.

PhatGrimReaper

Skoria is definitely still the best way with the Sun Silks... 5 x Sun (inc Necklace) and the rest as @Cuyler said.

@caperon , don't you get a huge DPS loss without the destro staff medium attacks? I've tried the DW spell damage route and it just didn't give the numbers that Whip/MA weave does.

Nerieneth's is a pain for DKs for a couple of reasons...
1. It does magicka damage and you will be putting your champion points into Ele' Expert rather than Thaum because of all the class fire damage abilities, so you would have to split your CP instead of focussing one type of damage.
2. as far as I can tell, the set only procs on the initial hit of an ability not on the following ticks of DoT. Dks are all about them DoTs.
3. To be effective with nerieneth's you would most likely have to replace Whip with Force Pulse (Counts as three separate hits)... this screws with a lot of synergy.... Damage boost to Standard and other Ardent Flame skills.

Iraqi_Swat

Thanks all for the i'v done almost as u told me and now i have 1950 spell power with out any buffs , thanks all ..

Mojmir

I use force,entropy,ma,whip on single bar. the nierenth set is sick with it.regardless of type of dmg it's still 7k on top.the only disadvantage vs valkyn is it's stationary.

Iraqi_Swat

One last question , i found that using DW increase my spell power more than using destro staff ... so should i use DW for my single target bar or i should stick with the destro staff cus i heard that using the staff heavy attack along with molten armaments can critic to 25k damage if thats true then the destro staff is a way better choice , what do u think ?

greenlights6

DW does increase your spell damage, however, it's a bit awkward to weave with. Of course this is subjective. You could DW with melee range, single target abilities, and swap to a destro for AoE damage. As far as molten goes, the new patch actually requires a fully charged heavy attack to work (used to work on medium weaves), so, although you can see some pretty high numbers, if you think about the time it takes to fire one off, dps isn't that great, especially if you don't crit for that much damage (or more) every time.

I could see maybe using it on your DW bar, since a full DW heavy will count as two attacks, which essentially means twice the hits as destro in the same amount of time. You could try it, but if none of the elites and number crunchers are doing it, I can imagine it's because destro turns out to be better in the end.

caperon

greenlights6 wrote: »

DW does increase your spell damage, however, it's a bit awkward to weave with. Of course this is subjective. You could DW with melee range, single target abilities, and swap to a destro for AoE damage. As far as molten goes, the new patch actually requires a fully charged heavy attack to work (used to work on medium weaves), so, although you can see some pretty high numbers, if you think about the time it takes to fire one off, dps isn't that great, especially if you don't crit for that much damage (or more) every time.

I could see maybe using it on your DW bar, since a full DW heavy will count as two attacks, which essentially means twice the hits as destro in the same amount of time. You could try it, but if none of the elites and number crunchers are doing it, I can imagine it's because destro turns out to be better in the end.

On my opinion molten weapons is only worth with destro staff and the execute morph. You can get really big numbers (45k+ crit on boses in execute range) but i'm not sure if it really increases your dps since you need to recast it each 3-4 atacks (less if you refresh your dots) and the time you are charging the heavy attack you are not whiping. I'm really trying to make it work but im not really sure about the result.

caperon

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Skoria is definitely still the best way with the Sun Silks... 5 x Sun (inc Necklace) and the rest as @Cuyler said.

@caperon , don't you get a huge DPS loss without the destro staff medium attacks? I've tried the DW spell damage route and it just didn't give the numbers that Whip/MA weave does.

Nerieneth's is a pain for DKs for a couple of reasons...
1. It does magicka damage and you will be putting your champion points into Ele' Expert rather than Thaum because of all the class fire damage abilities, so you would have to split your CP instead of focussing one type of damage.
2. as far as I can tell, the set only procs on the initial hit of an ability not on the following ticks of DoT. Dks are all about them DoTs.
3. To be effective with nerieneth's you would most likely have to replace Whip with Force Pulse (Counts as three separate hits)... this screws with a lot of synergy.... Damage boost to Standard and other Ardent Flame skills.

You do lose dps in the medium atack weave (i light atack when DW), but your dots and whips hit noticeably harder, so I end with pretty similar dps. I feel I do a bit more with DW, but you lose some magicka return, and its just a feel. DW looks cooler tho

Cuyler

caperon wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Skoria is definitely still the best way with the Sun Silks... 5 x Sun (inc Necklace) and the rest as @Cuyler said.

@caperon , don't you get a huge DPS loss without the destro staff medium attacks? I've tried the DW spell damage route and it just didn't give the numbers that Whip/MA weave does.

Nerieneth's is a pain for DKs for a couple of reasons...
1. It does magicka damage and you will be putting your champion points into Ele' Expert rather than Thaum because of all the class fire damage abilities, so you would have to split your CP instead of focussing one type of damage.
2. as far as I can tell, the set only procs on the initial hit of an ability not on the following ticks of DoT. Dks are all about them DoTs.
3. To be effective with nerieneth's you would most likely have to replace Whip with Force Pulse (Counts as three separate hits)... this screws with a lot of synergy.... Damage boost to Standard and other Ardent Flame skills.

You do lose dps in the medium atack weave snip

The molten nerf did effect the medium weave so that your not getting full execution size crits in your weave but, when done correctly, you can medium weave in the same amount of time you can light attack and therefore, is a dps increase although not very noticeable now. only a couple 100 dps difference.

There is some merit to DW now though. I will be testing 2 swords of willpower, neck of willpower, 2 cyro's rings, masters staff, either valkyn, nerieneth's or kena, and overwhelming (will be martial's till sets complete) over the next few days. I know this is working for sorcs right now but that's mostly for executes where they don't need to weave. Dk's unfortunately need to weave on both bars to hit max.