Dps #

Vordae

I'm looking for a number to shot for when i i put gear and builds together. Whats the norm dps right now. What are top end players getting? I'm talking about single target not aoe.

Thanks

SkylarkAU

10k is generally the benchmark for single target DPS on vet 16 bosses

nothing2591

iIhave dk, nb and sorc and i'll let you know that stamina is still best for pve , 13-15k single target with stam nb and stam dk 5 hundings 5 ravager 1 molag kena 1 masters dagger 1 masters 2h for both the nb and dk, and the sorc is doing about 10k with spell dmg sets, would probably go up to 18k on the stam classes when i get 2pc molag kena.

krees28b14_ESO

nothing2591 wrote: »

iIhave dk, nb and sorc and i'll let you know that stamina is still best for pve , 13-15k single target with stam nb and stam dk 5 hundings 5 ravager 1 molag kena 1 masters dagger 1 masters 2h for both the nb and dk, and the sorc is doing about 10k with spell dmg sets, would probably go up to 18k on the stam classes when i get 2pc molag kena.

Trick to pulling those kinds of numbers is the requirement of the monster sets. With the rng in place you may never get the helm or shoulders with the proper traits and thus your dps would suffer. Notice how this reply I quoted said his dps would skyrocket with the Kena monster set... so good luck. Some people get them in one run and others like myself have done over 50 runs in each of the dungeons with the helms I would use and no helms. Good luck.

PhatGrimReaper

I'm running mostly on my magicka templar atm and I'm hitting anywhere between 12-18k. He is moderately geared (still rocking his pre2.1 gear) and I am not a highly skilled player (jabs spam + jebus beam for the win ftw!).

IMO....
single target DPS in a trials group....
less than 12k = being carried
12k+ = meh
15k+ = doing your part
18k+ = smashing it
20k+ = slow down, you are making me look bad
25k+ = hacker /jokes

anitajoneb17_ESO

Anything between 10K and 14K is fine.

Don't listen to people saying that you're not doing your part below 12K and that 15K is easy, 'cause it's not. Those people usually brag with such figures without mentioning or even being aware that they reach them thanks to other group members "sacrificing" their own DPS by using skills for the entire group's benefit (war horn, combat prayer, elemental drain, etc...), and thanks to healers that spam-heal them so they don't have to move nor to be careful not to stand in zones.

Just reach 10-14K depending on the situation, stay out of zones and be careful not to die, and not to put too much strain on your healer, and rest assured that you are doing your part. And enjoy playing, that's the most important thing.

Merlin13KAGL

Shoot for the one where stuff dies before you and your teammates do. Everything else is bonus.

Bear in mind that's gonna vary, a lot from fight to fight, based on a lot of factors: movement required, mobs resistances, individual skill selection, Stam vs Magicka builds, etc.

You'll see a range of 6k-26k depending. The DPS numbers are far from the only determining factor in a successful fight.

PhatGrimReaper

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Anything between 10K and 14K is fine.

Don't listen to people saying that you're not doing your part below 12K and that 15K is easy, 'cause it's not. Those people usually brag with such figures without mentioning or even being aware that they reach them thanks to other group members "sacrificing" their own DPS by using skills for the entire group's benefit (war horn, combat prayer, elemental drain, etc...), and thanks to healers that spam-heal them so they don't have to move nor to be careful not to stand in zones.

Just reach 10-14K depending on the situation, stay out of zones and be careful not to die, and not to put too much strain on your healer, and rest assured that you are doing your part. And enjoy playing, that's the most important thing.

Not bragging and not saying that anyone isn't doing their part... we all start somewhere.

However, other group members "Sacrificing" their DPS.... you mean like the Tank running Warhorn? - Most groups have the tank run horn because in most cases the Tank has the lowest DPS output (there are exceptions), the group does more DPS as a whole with the tank's warhorn because it doesn't scale off spell/weapon damage or max magicka like DPS ultimates. The DPS increase to the rest of the group outweighs the DPS from one person's ult, especially when that one person is built for tanking, not damage.
Who runs Ele Drain & Combat Prayer?.... um, I don't know? Maybe the healer? You know, that support role that exists to support the group's healing and resource needs as best they can. And god forbid that the healer should actually heal the dps in order to allow them to kill stuff.... it's not like that's their job or anything right? Most Trials healers will split the responsibility of support skills between two/three of them and they will still contribute DPS in most cases... all done within their role.

The tank isn't sacrificing DPS to run horn... he's improving it.... the healers aren't sacrificing their DPS to heal the group or use skills that provide resources to the group.... they are doing their role.

Be careful of people that tell you that mediocre DPS is fine and that it's all about participation, it may set you up to be let down. When someone asks what kind of DPS numbers they need to be competitive at end game, I'd rather be honest with them, because a lot groups that want good scores or HM completes are going to expect a lot more than 10k dps. Ever tried 100% burn on the manti with 9 people pulling 10k.... good luck!

@Vordae I do agree that having fun is the main thing, that's why I set the expectations realistically... so you will know if your DPS is competitive or if it needs work. That way you'll have heaps of fun running with other good players in the hardest content the game has to offer, rather than being asked to leave the group because your DPS isn't cutting it. It's always more fun when you're doing well.

14-15k DPS is achievable with all classes.... is it easy? No. Is there time involved in perfecting your Gear & Rotations? Yes. IS it incredibly rewarding and fun to really contribute to a great run with a great group while pulling some great numbers? HELL YEAH IT IS!!!

Good luck man, hope you have your answer.

@anitajoneb17_ESO the OP did ask what numbers top end players are achieving!! ... just saying!

anitajoneb17_ESO

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Be careful of people that tell you that mediocre DPS is fine and that it's all about participation, it may set you up to be let down. When someone asks what kind of DPS numbers they need to be competitive at end game, I'd rather be honest with them, because a lot groups that want good scores or HM completes are going to expect a lot more than 10k dps. Ever tried 100% burn on the manti with 9 people pulling 10k.... good luck!

@Vordae I do agree that having fun is the main thing, that's why I set the expectations realistically... so you will know if your DPS is competitive or if it needs work. That way you'll have heaps of fun running with other good players in the hardest content the game has to offer, rather than being asked to leave the group because your DPS isn't cutting it. It's always more fun when you're doing well.

14-15k DPS is achievable with all classes.... is it easy? No. Is there time involved in perfecting your Gear & Rotations? Yes. IS it incredibly rewarding and fun to really contribute to a great run with a great group while pulling some great numbers? HELL YEAH IT IS!!!

Good luck man, hope you have your answer.

@anitajoneb17_ESO the OP did ask what numbers top end players are achieving!! ... just saying!

We actually agree on most things except :

- For constant war horn you need 2 people rotating it and there is usually only one tank. (but it wasn't really my point, I was merely saying that most people think they pull their DPS on their own, forgetting that they're - rightfully - benefitting from buffs and debuffs provided by the entire group organisation).

- You're correct that OP was asking for top player figures. Still, do not call 10-14K "mediocre". Call it "just fine", and call 15-20K "very good" or "excellent". Then you can outline that top groups require excellent figures.

I respect "elite groups" and actually admire them. I even run with them from time to time (knowing perfectly that they're doing me a favor). And yes, it's challenging and fun.

Still, you (and they ?) don't realize how devastating the usual "elite talking" is on more "standard" people/groups. I mean, the entire game content (including hard mode trials IMHO) are completable by all "average" players, PROVIDED that they are aware of their strengths/weaknesses and get organized accordingly. I'm just sooo fed up with wiping again and again on Mantikora just because people want to do the burn strat (nobody's going down) and don't have the dps, positioning and reaction requirements for it. But "THEY SAW IT IN A VIDEO" !!! Manti is perfectly doable with 2 tanks, 8 dps a 10K each, and 2 healers, provided you accept to go down two or three times and that's a fun and challenging strategy too.

Or just people being ashamed of their own DPS and blatantly lying about it : I was tanking Bogdan the other day with two stam NB who swore to pull 15K DPS... how the hell did the entire fight last more than 5 minutes ? Of course elite players are not responsible for such behaviour, but calling "average" DPS "mediocre" instead of "fine" contributes to it.

Between the 2 of us I think OP has his answer though :-)