Are You Serious?

Mashille

Me: 'Ok, I'll just go into the sewers so I can run back to my Alliance base and return my 1149 Tel Var stones'

(6 Minute Loading Screen)

Finally load in. Instant Dead. There goes 1000 Tel Var stones.

Are you serious?!?

Players really need to become immune when Entering the Sewers. I have no idea why they are not. I got killed in my loading screen.

Agobi

Why should they be immune? it is a pvp area is it not?

Just enjoy the challenge and fun of competing with your fellow player in a game of skill and tactic

/endsarcasm

Molag_Crow

Molag_Crow

That really does suck though. I hope it doesn't happen to you again!

Forestd16b14_ESO

Agreed it is kinda rage causing for you to be killed when your still in the loading screen but your character is at the sewer entrance/exit and is killable. It's pretty much free kill and TV stones to the OP NB meta gankers who are camping outside them.

redspecter23

All areas where you zone in/out with loading screens should be safe areas. Not sure how this is even a thing that passed pre alpha testing and basic common sense logic.

Creating a metagame strategy that rewards players for camping loading screen areas for free kills can't possibly be something the design team thought was a good idea.

Kammakazi

What they need to fix is the loading/zoning problems.

I've entered Delves where the enemy is inside waiting, and when I'm done with the loading screen, I'm already on the ground dead.

How hard is it to sync the damn loading screen AND your player together, so you aren't already zoned while the screen still loads?

Troneon

This is why I am not playing IC at all until a few weeks or months has gone by and then half these issues hopefully will be fixed and a lot less exploiters and griefers will be around..

Right now it's just too unplayable with all the stability issues, fps drops, staggering, crashing, dying to loading screens and a zillion other broken things.

And of course you have players that try to take advantage of these issues and problems to play in their favor...

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

there are two exits to the sewers, the unprotected door and the protected upper base door, learn to use the protected door and then go into stealth and use Radiant Magelight to check the area for enemy players. Works for me, I killed 3 enemy players last night trying to Gank people.

PBpsy

You should adapt and stuff.

Nebthet78

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

there are two exits to the sewers, the unprotected door and the protected upper base door, learn to use the protected door and then go into stealth and use Radiant Magelight to check the area for enemy players. Works for me, I killed 3 enemy players last night trying to Gank people.

It is the unprotected entrance door that needs an immunity around it.. What sort of war base doesn't have a few guards and a small barrack around a frigging entrance door? That's just poor planning. It doesn't have to be a large area, but if you can get the "E" to come up on the door then you should be safe, especially once you have entered the loading screen. This is what a lot of players are complaining about.

starkerealm

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

there are two exits to the sewers, the unprotected door and the protected upper base door, learn to use the protected door and then go into stealth and use Radiant Magelight to check the area for enemy players. Works for me, I killed 3 enemy players last night trying to Gank people.

I think they're talking about entering the sewers from the IC, not from the base.

Molag_Crow

I heard mention that they're already looking into the immunity shield you get for when you DC, and they may just increase it... can't remember which ZOS representative said it!

Mashille

Did poeple not mention this when playing on PTS or did ZOS just ignore them?

UltimaJoe777

I agree that you should be immune to attacks while loading a new zone regardless of your location or even logging in. A 3-5 second immunity time would suffice. People that take advantage of other people's loading lag are nothing short of being lowlives that don't deserve the kills. That's like walking up to a little kid and shanking him for his bicycle because he's too defenseless to fight back.

Nebthet78

keybaud wrote: »

Did poeple not mention this when playing on PTS or did ZOS just ignore them?

Oh it was mentioned several times on the PTS. ZOS just ignored them.

Gyudan

Oh no!

ColoursYouHave

"Are you serious?"

That was my favorite quote from the Dark Knight, too!

starkerealm

Nebthet78 wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Did poeple not mention this when playing on PTS or did ZOS just ignore them?

Oh it was mentioned several times on the PTS. ZOS just ignored them.

To be fair, I think they did add a truce buff to the main district doors... of course the first couple gankings before that have made it so I'll only move through the side entrances into other districts, but still.

mrskinskull

CrowsDescend wrote: »

That really does suck though. I hope it doesn't happen to you again!

I wonder which door this was at and what kind of haul we can collect?

Can we make the loading screens longer?

My DPS isn't great and with the upcoming damage nerf, I may need a bit more time to harvest your uhm harvest, lol.

timidobserver

keybaud wrote: »

Me: 'Ok, I'll just go into the sewers so I can run back to my Alliance base and return my 1149 Tel Var stones'

(6 Minute Loading Screen)

Finally load in. Instant Dead. There goes 1000 Tel Var stones.

Are you serious?!?

Players really need to become immune when Entering the Sewers. I have no idea why they are not. I got killed in my loading screen.

The loading screens are not okay, so don't take what I am saying to mean that. However, you can get around it by using a teleport to base stone.

starkerealm wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Did poeple not mention this when playing on PTS or did ZOS just ignore them?

Oh it was mentioned several times on the PTS. ZOS just ignored them.

To be fair, I think they did add a truce buff to the main district doors... of course the first couple gankings before that have made it so I'll only move through the side entrances into other districts, but still.

The truce buff lasts about 80% of the load screen, so usually they have a few secs to hit you before you load in.

Scyantific

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

there are two exits to the sewers, the unprotected door and the protected upper base door, learn to use the protected door and then go into stealth and use Radiant Magelight to check the area for enemy players. Works for me, I killed 3 enemy players last night trying to Gank people.

Ah yes let me lose 10% of my stones because I got out from the protected City spawn just to warp back directly to base.

You do realize that with upwards of 1k stones you're losing more than 100 just for a "safe spawn," right?

The other option is clearly buying the sigils but PvE people really can't do that because lol they have 0 AP.

Aimelin

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

"Are you serious?"

That was my favorite quote from the Dark Knight, too!

Except it is "why so serious?"

SeptimusDova

Oh they are serious. Its great for the long term health of the game.

Truewan

Oh god that's terrible man, sorry you had that experience.

Reinitz

I don't care about the mixing of PvP and PvE, though I thik it is unfair for ZOS to force players out of their comfort zones and play the way they don't want to in a game that takes pride in saying "Play the way you want!" My biggest gripe was the decision to award opposing faction players with your hard earned currency. Seriously, all it does is encourage unscrupulous players to pick on others who are just trying to have an enjoyable time completing quests or improve thier skills and equipment. Even if they want to continue rewarding that sort of bullying behavior, taking 80% is excessive. Even 50% would be too much. Developers, you have had some bad ideas, but this has to be one of the worst.

NewBlacksmurf

keybaud wrote: »

Did poeple not mention this when playing on PTS or did ZOS just ignore them?

Yes but I wouldn't say it was ignored. ZOS has different ideas than the feedback and complaints given.
I'm not sure a discussion occurred about this without trolling, sarcasm and arguments within the community so whatever good points were in the two threads I recall were lost in moderation.

Typically what happens on the forums here

Sentinel

They gave the immunity buff to people who enter ladders for 30 seconds... Given that loading screens tend to go much longer after that, it's not exactly well thought out.

People at ZOS said they were going to try and decrease loading screen length, imo I think they should double or triple the immunity buff length.

ColoursYouHave

Aimelin wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

"Are you serious?"

That was my favorite quote from the Dark Knight, too!

Except it is "why so serious?"

To that, I can only respond:

Why so serious?

Nebthet78

Scyantific wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

there are two exits to the sewers, the unprotected door and the protected upper base door, learn to use the protected door and then go into stealth and use Radiant Magelight to check the area for enemy players. Works for me, I killed 3 enemy players last night trying to Gank people.

Ah yes let me lose 10% of my stones because I got out from the protected City spawn just to warp back directly to base.

You do realize that with upwards of 1k stones you're losing more than 100 just for a "safe spawn," right?

The other option is clearly buying the sigils but PvE people really can't do that because lol they have 0 AP.

But if I remember correctly those teleport stones are about 500-800 Tel Var cost and don't they disappear once you have used them?

I would rather loose 100 stones to NPC enemies when carrying 1000 stones than lost the amount it costs for one of those teleport stones. They are great for players that can easily get more than 2500 stones or more I guess without being killed but for the average PvEr or noob PvPer, or a small group of players trying to avoid zergs they are not worth it.

Mashille

@Nebthet78

The teleport stones (Sigils of Imperial Retreat) don't cost Tel Var stones they are 10,000 Aliance Points to buy. So you wouldn't lose any Tel Var stones I think.