The major nerf to Rally broke balance in PvP

ArvenAldmeri

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

The nerf on healing hitted Rally very hard. And I agree it became completely useless. The heal that I got from it after 20 seconds was 3k... after 20 seconds and that heal over time is laughtable... Its really too bad right now. In addition to the increased cost... Come on ZOS... increase the heal. My stamina NB has for now no way to effectively heal herself...

Vigor?

Of course there is vigor, but still takes some time to get. On my NB I am still lv4 in the AW skill lines. And sorry, but vigor is not a solution to rally problem. And if I am not mistaken vigor heal is not so huge anymore either. What was cool on rally was the burst heal, you could really save your ass when getting in trouble. But not anymore. Even spamming it is not effective anymore.

SeptimusDova

Pick the vigor morph that gives more heal to you. Not the larger radius one.

Mr_Koh

chevalierknight wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Regardless what Deltia suggests, running a stamina sorcerer is basically suicide. I have a magicka sorcerer and tried stamina at one point and the difference is day and night. Killing a few noobs in PvP does not make the build good, it just means you met a few noobs.
I've met a few stamina sorcs on a battlefield and i can trash them where they stand without the need for any wards for heals. They will never be as effective as any other stamina classes unless major changes and more stamina morphs for class skills are available. Relying only on weapon skills does not make the class viable, the lack of stamina morphs make them useless because they don't scale and consume large amounts of magicka - the one thing stamina class doesn't have.

That was 1.6 this is 7 stop talking about stam sorc per patch. He was fighting players in his stream sypher kingrich deltia and lefty have all said on stream stam sorc is the new meta in PVP noone cares about your 1.6 stam sorc


Watch deltias stream highlights he was pvp wiping groups out but by all means stick your head in sand

@chevalierknight deltia was in a group of 22 players and all he did was spam steel tornado and make a negate play while his 22 other teammates healed and dps'd behind him. It in no way showcased the improvements on stam sorc. Everything he did has been possible before the update.

Looked like normal zerg game play to me.

And when sypher and Richard said stam sorc is the new meta doesn't mean anything really. Their words aren't law. I believe the new meta they're thinking of is this heavy armor meta that deals tons of damage which is executable on any stam class since all it requires is heavy armor and weapon abilities, but even with a heavy armor meta stam DK'S will still come out on top because of the new battle roar and their access to potent stam bleeds.

chevalierknight

Mr_Koh wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Regardless what Deltia suggests, running a stamina sorcerer is basically suicide. I have a magicka sorcerer and tried stamina at one point and the difference is day and night. Killing a few noobs in PvP does not make the build good, it just means you met a few noobs.
I've met a few stamina sorcs on a battlefield and i can trash them where they stand without the need for any wards for heals. They will never be as effective as any other stamina classes unless major changes and more stamina morphs for class skills are available. Relying only on weapon skills does not make the class viable, the lack of stamina morphs make them useless because they don't scale and consume large amounts of magicka - the one thing stamina class doesn't have.

That was 1.6 this is 7 stop talking about stam sorc per patch. He was fighting players in his stream sypher kingrich deltia and lefty have all said on stream stam sorc is the new meta in PVP noone cares about your 1.6 stam sorc


Watch deltias stream highlights he was pvp wiping groups out but by all means stick your head in sand

@chevalierknight deltia was in a group of 22 players and all he did was spam steel tornado and make a negate play while his 22 other teammates healed and dps'd behind him. It in no way showcased the improvements on stam sorc. Everything he did has been possible before the update.

Looked like normal zerg game play to me.

Just over look his over the top stats dont comment k

Mr_Koh

chevalierknight wrote: »

Mr_Koh wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Regardless what Deltia suggests, running a stamina sorcerer is basically suicide. I have a magicka sorcerer and tried stamina at one point and the difference is day and night. Killing a few noobs in PvP does not make the build good, it just means you met a few noobs.
I've met a few stamina sorcs on a battlefield and i can trash them where they stand without the need for any wards for heals. They will never be as effective as any other stamina classes unless major changes and more stamina morphs for class skills are available. Relying only on weapon skills does not make the class viable, the lack of stamina morphs make them useless because they don't scale and consume large amounts of magicka - the one thing stamina class doesn't have.

That was 1.6 this is 7 stop talking about stam sorc per patch. He was fighting players in his stream sypher kingrich deltia and lefty have all said on stream stam sorc is the new meta in PVP noone cares about your 1.6 stam sorc


Watch deltias stream highlights he was pvp wiping groups out but by all means stick your head in sand

@chevalierknight deltia was in a group of 22 players and all he did was spam steel tornado and make a negate play while his 22 other teammates healed and dps'd behind him. It in no way showcased the improvements on stam sorc. Everything he did has been possible before the update.

Looked like normal zerg game play to me.

Just over look his over the top stats dont comment k

Yeah because there is nothing over the top about it.

I don't think his 3k steel tornados was what wiped that group. He did a great job with the clutch negate, but so did the 21 people helping him.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Few things.

1. Rally needed fix to only applie to the 2H weapon when it is equip andshouldn't be applied to both weapons.
2. All healing got nerfed and the slight cost more of Momentum and Rally really isn't nothing much but a slight scrape of the nerf gun.
3. Vigor is the new stamina base heal since it does more healing and heals allies to which is alot better than Rallies healing.
4. If you are gonna use a 2h be commited to it not just use rally for the heals and weapon damage boost and just spamming wrecking blow isn't being commited to a 2H you're just simplely abusing a broken skill.

CavalierKing

Why do you expect self heals as a stamina build? Balance is not achieved by making everyone the same, and it's sad to see what they did to stamina. They significantly nerfed roll dodging and blocking and tried to make up for it with vigor. Yes, they both needed fixes, but not to the extent they were. They basically said stamina builds are now going to heal themselves instead of using their unique weapon abilities to survive - block, do damage, stay at range, roll dodge, sprint, sneak, etc. You're not supposed to be able to put up a bunch of shields or heal through damage. That's what makes this game great - there are a hundred different ways to play and they are all balanced, and depending on how you make your build, certain things are going to be better than others. It's crybabies like you that want their way to be the best way and cry to ZOS to change things that is going to make this another crappy cookie cutter MMO where everyone has their roles and there is only 1 viable way to go. If you want to be a stamina build that self heals understand that you're going to suck in comparison to magicka - deal with it. If you want to be the best stamina build possible, realize that you're going to use a lot of weapon abilities, your class abilities are supplements to that, and you're going to need to actually learn combat/gameplay to fight and survive.