Did Craglorn XP get stealth NERFED since the 2.1.4 patch?

Emma_Overload

Yesterday, I was very excited to see what kind of XP I could get grinding mobs and questing in Craglorn, and I was not disappointed. Random mobs in both Lower and Upper Craglorn were finally giving more XP than my VR10 zone, and daily quests like "The Seekers Archive" were giving great XP, almost 50K for that one!

Today, unfortunately, has been a different story. Craglorn mobs like orcs and trolls are giving only HALF the XP they were yesterday, and that Seekers Archive quest only gave around 12.5K XP.... that's 75% LESS XP.

What is going on? Am I the only one seeing this? Did Craglorn XP get nerfed overnight?

Arkadius

You're playing on NA or EU? I'm asking because "yesterday" was patch 2.1 on NA but 2.0 on EU. Afaik, 2.1 should have increased Craglorn XP instead of reducing it.

SirJesto

Did you level?

Emma_Overload

Xiana wrote: »

You're playing on NA or EU? I'm asking because "yesterday" was patch 2.1 on NA but 2.0 on EU. Afaik, 2.1 should have increased Craglorn XP instead of reducing it.

I'm on NA. And like I said, Craglorn XP was nicely increased yesterday. But something happened late last night or this morning... XP is much less now than it was immediately after the patch. Example: Anka Ra warriors in Lower Craglorn that gave almost 400 XP yesterday now give less than 200.

It's possible that something went wrong with my FTC plugin, so maybe it's not reporting the right numbers in the log.

wafcatb14_ESO

haven`t checked however back when the lowered the exp from 4 million to 1 million for each vet level, they also lowered the exp received per kill and quest turn in so while you needed less exp to level it was`t really any faster due to quest turn in exp being nerfed as well as mob kill exp.

Troneon

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Xiana wrote: »

You're playing on NA or EU? I'm asking because "yesterday" was patch 2.1 on NA but 2.0 on EU. Afaik, 2.1 should have increased Craglorn XP instead of reducing it.

I'm on NA. And like I said, Craglorn XP was nicely increased yesterday. But something happened late last night or this morning... XP is much less now than it was immediately after the patch. Example: Anka Ra warriors in Lower Craglorn that gave almost 400 XP yesterday now give less than 200.

It's possible that something went wrong with my FTC plugin, so maybe it's not reporting the right numbers in the log.

Better to test without addons.

Emma_Overload

SirJesto wrote: »

Did you level?

I leveled from VR14 to VR15 the moment I killed my first mob yesterday, but that was when everything was good. Right now I'm about half way from VR15 to VR16.

Emma_Overload

OK, I just tested precisely and took screenshots while killing an "Iron Orc Slaughterer" in Upper Craglorn.

As you can see, my XP count was 376,895 before killing the Orc:



Now, after killing the Orc, my XP is 377,085:



377,085 - 376,895 = 190 XP.... which is exactly what my FTC log shows:



This can't be right. That's less XP than overland mobs in the Rift were giving before the patch!

Shimmer

Were you enlightened when you were killing the rift creatures?

Also my husband and I ran all around craglorn last night and the BEST XP we found was Skyreach Catacombs. Running that quest gave 100k xp per run around the little dungeon. If you dont complete it you can drop it leave and reenter. The mobs in there gave GREAT XP.

Pangnirtung

I thought that it was my imagination that I was getting less experience earlier today. Maybe not?

Emma_Overload

Sylance9 wrote: »

Were you enlightened when you were killing the rift creatures?

Also my husband and I ran all around craglorn last night and the BEST XP we found was Skyreach Catacombs. Running that quest gave 100k xp per run around the little dungeon. If you dont complete it you can drop it leave and reenter. The mobs in there gave GREAT XP.

Last night was fine for me, too, though. Maybe you should swing by Skyreach and see if anything is different tonight?

SickDuck

That's part of the global XP nerf side effect due to the increased veteran ranks. From v15 Lower Craglorn v11 mobs will start to drastically decrease in XP reward. On v16 it will be even worse.

Also, Craglorn mobs were never the best in XP value. v10 land mobs were better in the gold maps by far and the current 20% bonus does not help a lot with that. And if you want to go back to v10 grind you'll get the same disappointment - on v14 these mobs gave 310 XP, on v15 it drops to 124 XP (base values, without ESO plus or other bonuses). Good luck catching up with high ranked CP farmers! Only solo option to grind is in PvP now...

Emma_Overload

SickDuck wrote: »

That's part of the global XP nerf side effect due to the increased veteran ranks. From v15 Lower Craglorn v11 mobs will start to drastically decrease in XP reward. On v16 it will be even worse.

Also, Craglorn mobs were never the best in XP value. v10 land mobs were better in the gold maps by far and the current 20% bonus does not help a lot with that. And if you want to go back to v10 grind you'll get the same disappointment - on v14 these mobs gave 310 XP, on v15 it drops to 124 XP (base values, without ESO plus or other bonuses). Good luck catching up with high ranked CP farmers! Only solo option to grind is in PvP now...

Yeah, but that doesn't explain why the XP dropped TODAY. I was VR15 in Craglorn yesterday, and I'm still VR15 right now. VR13 mobs that were giving over 300 XP in Upper Craglorn yesterday (AFTER the 2.1.4 patch!) are giving less than 200 XP now...see my screenshot above.

Emma_Overload

Sylance9 wrote: »

Were you enlightened when you were killing the rift creatures?

Also my husband and I ran all around craglorn last night and the BEST XP we found was Skyreach Catacombs. Running that quest gave 100k xp per run around the little dungeon. If you dont complete it you can drop it leave and reenter. The mobs in there gave GREAT XP.

I just soloed the Skyreach Catacombs quest to see what kind of XP it is giving. Look at my screenshot below. I only got 8,233 for completing the quest (killing Virmaril, etc.). Do you remember what you got?

rotaugen454

Getting my daily Champion Point is not going to happen anymore. I was VR14 and could grind a spot in Bangkorai, making 10 laps in about 40 minutes or less. I killed one thing, got to VR15, and now it takes 24 laps. I don't have that kind of time. Went to Craglorn, and solo I can't handle areas I used to with my Sorcerer. Can't get into Cyrodiiil, as my campaign is full. Tried another one (the only one open to me) and we didn't have ANY of our keeps, so I can't even see the new content. This patch is going to have me out of the game until they fix this issue, which may never happen, as they seem determined to force you into groups. I enjoy them occasionally, but never know when I am going to be on, and the groupfinder still doesn't work well.

Troneon

Well this sucks too then

Morimizo

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Getting my daily Champion Point is not going to happen anymore. I was VR14 and could grind a spot in Bangkorai, making 10 laps in about 40 minutes or less. I killed one thing, got to VR15, and now it takes 24 laps. I don't have that kind of time. Went to Craglorn, and solo I can't handle areas I used to with my Sorcerer. Can't get into Cyrodiiil, as my campaign is full. Tried another one (the only one open to me) and we didn't have ANY of our keeps, so I can't even see the new content. This patch is going to have me out of the game until they fix this issue, which may never happen, as they seem determined to force you into groups. I enjoy them occasionally, but never know when I am going to be on, and the groupfinder still doesn't work well.

So is the moral for a solo PVE VR14 to simply NOT play until Orsinium releases? Yikes...

If they would please make instanced public dungeons once Cadwell's Gold is finished that scale (all the way to VR16) to the leader, we could have 15 places to grind, whether solo or in a group.

Arreyanne

Wouldn't surprise me they did that they nerfed the Wayrest Sewers Xp and that wasn't in the notes

@Morimizo "If they would please make instanced public dungeons once Cadwell's Gold is finished that scale (all the way to VR16) to the leader, we could have 15 places to grind, whether solo or in a group."

You used the forbidden word of everything ESO "GRIND." There is no Grinding in ESO, you must follow the quest line and never deviate less you be drawn and quartered

Cuyler

That's ZOS' marketing strategy. #HYPE

What we actually get is never what was promised. Remember when trial XP was supposed to be like 400% increased? yea that lasted a couple hours.

wouldn't be surprised if they reverted the crag XP already...will test later tonight.

Pangnirtung

Morimizo wrote: »

If they would please make instanced public dungeons once Cadwell's Gold is finished that scale (all the way to VR16) to the leader, we could have 15 places to grind, whether solo or in a group.

This is the best suggestion I have read so far regarding PVE soloing.

Why hasn't ZOS figured this out yet?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Haha, looks like our two threads are similar. V16 has drastically limited CP grinding because once you are 5 levels away from a mob, the XP is drastically reduced. Grinding a V10 zone at V14 works just fine, at V15 it does not. Same logic holds true for craglorn. Craglorn XP wasnt great to begin with, now the mobs give a little more but are also much tougher, and by the time you hit V16 you are over leveled for most of it.

The intended/unintended consequence (not sure which) of V16 is that it destroyed the CP grind. Might be a good thing...

Arunei

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Tried another one (the only one open to me) and we didn't have ANY of our keeps, so I can't even see the new content.

They've removed the access restrictions on IC, you can enter it regardless of owned Keeps.

Cuyler

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Haha, looks like our two threads are similar. V16 has drastically limited CP grinding because once you are 5 levels away from a mob, the XP is drastically reduced. Grinding a V10 zone at V14 works just fine, at V15 it does not. Same logic holds true for craglorn. Craglorn XP wasnt great to begin with, now the mobs give a little more but are also much tougher, and by the time you hit V16 you are over leveled for most of it.

The intended/unintended consequence (not sure which) of V16 is that it destroyed the CP grind. Might be a good thing...

The few who have a ridiculous amount of CP already will now form super guilds and control the game forever *mwahahahaha* hopefully not jk lol

rotaugen454

Arunei wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Tried another one (the only one open to me) and we didn't have ANY of our keeps, so I can't even see the new content.

They've removed the access restrictions on IC, you can enter it regardless of owned Keeps.

Cool, I'll finally be able to see it. I got the mission in the initial Cyrodiil wayshine area, so I just have to make it to a gate to get in, or can I use the Transistus?