Monster Trophy Collections, Way to screw this up, and you did..

Turelus

I didn't even think of this until noticing this thread.

Well I really hope they have found somewhere in non-instanced zones to have these items drop. I really don't want to have to grind DSA just for some collectables.

EP here so I am suffering on the Nix-Hound collectable.

Usara

I feel for you... I rerolled specifically for this one but at least, my low alt found it very quickly once I began the farming. And the kagoutis (because there's tons of them in low level EP zones, but just one little cave in Craglorn - and 2-3 in DSA - once you're vet)

But now... I don't even know where EP HL Nix Hounds are

UrQuan

So last night I had the elusive Fleshy Symbiote drop for me in vet Spindleclutch. Too bad the character I was on is not the only character I'm trying to do the collectibles on. So my main that I'm trying to get collectibles on is still missing the Fleshy Symbiote, and now I've got a character who has none of the collectibles except for the Fleshy Symbiote. Fan-freaking-tastic. You'd better believe I sent a bug report and a feedback on that.

obscure7

I really hope that ZOS reverses their decision on this thing.

I believe that the heart of this issue is the philosophy of account-based achievements vs. character-based achievements. The way it is now, it only serves to frustrate players who want to put the trophies on one character, yet find the one rare trophy they need on another character. It is also somewhat counter-intuitive that in order to hunt down certain achievements, you have to farm low-level areas with a high level character.

With the philosophy of account-wide achievement points, you don't have to worry about finding a trophy on an alt character, you don't have to go back and grind low-level content if you would rather have a suitable-level character complete the content, and you don't feel obligated to play one and only one character in order to get achievements. Every character you play contributes to the total of all the other characters. Some might think that it defeats the uniqueness of each individual character, but I believe it is a major factor in the harmony and unity of the entire account.

The sheer amount of grinding necessary to find all the trophies and all the other achievements is at best daunting and at worst very near to impossible the way it is now. It is very frustrating to know that when you have done something once, on one character, that you have to do it all over again with another if you want the same title/achievement/accolade/dye. I read somewhere that dyes are account-wide. Is this true? If it is, why are dyes different?

This separation of trophies and achievements creates a sense of disunity across the account, making the player shun certain characters in favor of grinding on one and only one. It forces the player to create alternate characters for the sole purpose of grinding content which is inaccessible to their over-leveled favorite. If trophies and achievements are shared across the account, the player can play all characters with a common purpose and goal, and everyone can "play your way." And that is what I would really like to see. Everyone playing their own way.

Usara

Dyes are indeed account wide. So is the Champion system, so "account-wide philosophy" as you call it does exists in ESO.

Leggi

Have Fleshy as only left to collect trophy.
Couldn't get it after killing 3k+ of that beasts cause of ZOS bug.
That was ZOS issue, ZOS mistake.

And now ZOS goes on punishing me.
I have zero intention in finding that monsters and farming them while getting almost zero XP for each: 12 XP for Flesh atronach in CH? COOL, best place to grind.

ZOS fixes issues nobody cares about and ignores the real deal troubles.
Yeah, all works just fine, there are no problems at all, let's remake and destroy some working procedures.

Great

trippingchrissy

Still no ZOS response on this anywhere, other than the initial comment that things were changing?

Come on, this is a 5-page thread, at this point, and I know plenty of folks are /feedbacking this in game.

Aelthwyn

This is a really annoying change that, as others have already said, doesn't do much but frustrate a lot of people. Honestly it seems like I've gotten more of these rare random trophy drops on every character BUT the one that I'm trying to get them on, my character going for the master monster slayer achievement, it feels like he's jinxed. It is SO annoying that now any time I'm lucky enough to get one that he needs, but I'm not playing with him it will be Useless. This is like being taunted and then slapped in the face. This is Not okay.

Divinius

trippingchrissy wrote: »

Still no ZOS response on this anywhere, other than the initial comment that things were changing?

Come on, this is a 5-page thread, at this point, and I know plenty of folks are /feedbacking this in game.

And this isn't the only thread... The other big one is up to 7 pages...

Sneak_Thief

Usara wrote: »

Dyes are indeed account wide. So is the Champion system, so "account-wide philosophy" as you call it does exists in ESO.

This is what I don't get, if they dyes are account wide anyway who the heck is it hurting to share trophies lol.

k9mouse

I hate this change too! I have one char where the all the trophies go! At very least, let us move the items via the bank to the right char! I hate this changed! Like the old system better. They could at some text on the text explaining how they are added to your avciements and that would solve the "problem" as well.

Aelthwyn

k9mouse wrote: »

I hate this change too! I have one char where the all the trophies go!

This brings up another important aspect of this I think. Since we have only 8 characters and so far can't change cosmetic choices made at creation that we may grow to regret, this results in people trying out and then eventually deleting some characters. Which means it makes a lot of sense to try and get the dye-giving achievements on a character that you really intend to keep. Previously if you got lucky with one of these trophy drops on a character that you weren't particularly fond of or just trying out, you could at least give it to the one you were definitely keeping. Now getting these achivements on a single character is much Much harder. Difficult achievements are fine, but as others have said this is getting very close to impossible and I really don't see what good that does anyone. There's a point where earning something gives satisfaction, and then there's a point where earning something is so tedious and frustrating along the way that it sours the final reward, or just plain makes it not worth bothering to try. Personally I'd say this change is putting these collector achievements in that category.

DragonSamurai360

Blade_07 wrote: »

Oh CRAP!!!! I was saving trophies on a different toon to use later on one that I was gunna level next! WTF zenimax!!!!

I have to give you a +100 on that gif/meme, it's probably one of the funniest I have seen on this forum.

Usara

One of my guildmates dropped for the second time the Fleshy Symbiot... on an alt. His main is still looking for it.
He was really mad, and so would I in his place

jcasini222ub17_ESO

So funny story guys and gals. I had nine collectibles I was going to use on my new orc Krogmak so I stashed them in his inventory before the patch. They're all level 50 collectibles too. One of which was the chattering skull, which I'm pretty sure is the reason when I'm running around I occasionally hear "FOOL". Im pretty sure these will be unuseable once I hit vr1 on Krogmak so I kinda think I'm going to get called fool alot and I mean alot until I vendor/trash these items.

On the flip side I'm kinda loving having the chattering skull on my orc as it seems oddly fitting an orc templar healer would get called fool over and over again.

Ourorboros

Considering there are multiple active threads on this topic, the silence from ZOS is foreboding. Remember the fuss when six month subs were removed, and the forum was up in arms thinking this indicated something bad. ZOS remained totally silent until they announced the new ESO+ subscription model ( smugly acting like they were doing us a favor). Their silence on this topic could either mean they know how unhappy we are but just don't think it warrants any action on their part, or perhaps there is some other worse change coming. Either way, it's damned inconsiderate on their part. They know nothing about maintaining good community relations.

Lylith

fixing what isn't broken.

meanwhile, so many things that ARE broken, remain.

daemonios

Ourorboros wrote: »

Considering there are multiple active threads on this topic, the silence from ZOS is foreboding. Remember the fuss when six month subs were removed, and the forum was up in arms thinking this indicated something bad.

I wouldn't compare the two issues (the revenue model change is far more important IMHO) but yeah, I don't think ZOS give a rat's bum about this issue.

This was a system that by all indications was in-game since the start (the achievement placeholders were there at launch) yet the drops were only introduced what, 6 months into the game? Since then players have found several serious issues with the trophies, such as the Nix Hounds for EP players, but also the jackals for DC (the latter was fortunately fixed after months of complaining).

At least one trophy was confirmed bugged (fleshy symbiont), but I really have to ask myself: was it the only one? Considering the number of monsters I've killed on my 8 characters, I think I should have found all collectibles by now, yet there are several that I've never come across. Not once. Other collectibles drop every freaking day. This is infuriating! I've had enough chattering skulls and whirring dynamos, thank you very much! How about you get your act together and make trophy drop rates similar across all monsters, and most of all FEASIBLE?

Incidentally, does anybody know any add-on to count monster kills, separated by monster type? It would be interesting to see the effective drop rate for each trophy.

Altairien

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno - In the "Talons CC now blockable" topic, you apologized for that undocumented change. Looking at the patch notes still available today, the massive change to the trophy system is still undocumented:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action.

The above patch note is false. It doesn't begin to describe how both monster and fishing trophies were changed from usable, bankable, account-tradable items to character-bound vendor trash!

How about starting with an apology?

Furthermore, you indicated that ZOS was considering reverting the Talons/blockable change and you asked for player feedback.

How about affording us the same consideration and place reverting the change on the table?

Regarding feedback, in case many pages over multiple topics doesn't make it clear, this change is anti-player for absolutely no rational reason. It was not asked for. It doesn't impact combat or character stats. In fact, it has absolutely no impact whatsoever outside of a player's account-level achievements. So what if the previous system allowed 2 characters on the same account to complete the fishing achievements. Who cares?! It's not like you can get the account-level dye colors twice!

So now ZOS announces they will revert the Talons/blockable change. Grats! I definitely can't say that ZOS never reverts horrible decisions. Now do the right thing and revert the trophies.

Completely revert the fishing trophies to their pre-2.1.4 state and then leave them alone. Then simply implement the patch note above exactly as stated. Monster trophies would update the achievement of the character that received the drop at the time of the drop. Then the player can choose to sell the trophy or trade that trophy to the character of their choice for use. Player choice is a good thing, right ZOS?

So how about actually reverting this anti-player change?

ZOS, your continued silence on this topic speaks volumes.

Irathray

^ I agree with the above. I'd write more, but you summed it all up really nicely there.

daemonios

Thanks @Altairien for a brilliant summation of the current state of this issue.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we at least get a confirmation that ZOS is happy about trophies right now? Although I would prefer it if you acknowledged the failings of the latest changes, any official response would be appreciated.

Personofsecrets

Stop the silliness

Account wide achievements
Account wide horse riding skill
Account wide alliance rank and skills

now.

Incentivize us to enjoy the game more, not less, @ZOS_GinaBruno

Divinius

Altairien wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno - In the "Talons CC now blockable" topic, you apologized for that undocumented change. Looking at the patch notes still available today, the massive change to the trophy system is still undocumented:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action.

The above patch note is false. It doesn't begin to describe how both monster and fishing trophies were changed from usable, bankable, account-tradable items to character-bound vendor trash!

How about starting with an apology?

Furthermore, you indicated that ZOS was considering reverting the Talons/blockable change and you asked for player feedback.

How about affording us the same consideration and place reverting the change on the table?

Regarding feedback, in case many pages over multiple topics doesn't make it clear, this change is anti-player for absolutely no rational reason. It was not asked for. It doesn't impact combat or character stats. In fact, it has absolutely no impact whatsoever outside of a player's account-level achievements. So what if the previous system allowed 2 characters on the same account to complete the fishing achievements. Who cares?! It's not like you can get the account-level dye colors twice!

So now ZOS announces they will revert the Talons/blockable change. Grats! I definitely can't say that ZOS never reverts horrible decisions. Now do the right thing and revert the trophies.

Completely revert the fishing trophies to their pre-2.1.4 state and then leave them alone. Then simply implement the patch note above exactly as stated. Monster trophies would update the achievement of the character that received the drop at the time of the drop. Then the player can choose to sell the trophy or trade that trophy to the character of their choice for use. Player choice is a good thing, right ZOS?

So how about actually reverting this anti-player change?

ZOS, your continued silence on this topic speaks volumes.

Excellent post. 100% agree.

The change to collectibles was unwanted, un-needed, an totally undesirable. It needs to be reverted.

daemonios

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Stop the silliness

Account wide achievements
Account wide horse riding skill
Account wide alliance rank and skills

now.

Incentivize us to enjoy the game more, not less, @ZOS_GinaBruno

I don't agree with account-wide achievements, levels or ranks. Even Champion Points are stupid when account-wide - you get level 1 killing machines through them (but then, I never liked the concept of Champion Points, especially 3600 of them). AvA rank is a different issue, but I think the problem is the amount of AP needed to progress. Nobody in their right mind would level 8 characters to Alliance Rank 50, I think. But maybe they would if these ranks were closer to levels/VR levels.

I just wish they wouldn't make it unnecessarily hard to get the achievements/riding skills/alliance ranks.

ashlee17

Please change it back Zos- I really want to be able to bank trophies and complete my collections on one toon!

Sneak_Thief

Thank you @Altairien for that excellent comparison. I just got back from vacation and it is sad to see this is still being ignored, not even so much as a reply to any of my feedbacks in game either, not even an acknowledgment that this is even an issue. Guess we shall let this wave grow until it can't be ignored anymore!

k9mouse

I wish ZOS will let us transfer the items between our chars!

obscure7

It would be nice to see some type of communication or response about this. Right now it feels like talking to a wall, hearing the echoes of other players against the wall, trying to get the same message through.

daemonios

obscure7 wrote: »

It would be nice to see some type of communication or response about this. Right now it feels like talking to a wall, hearing the echoes of other players against the wall, trying to get the same message through.

They're too busy locking threads about exploits... /s

Seriously though, is there NO response to the community on this one?

Asia_Skyly

k9mouse wrote: »

I wish ZOS will let us transfer the items between our chars!

Bring back account wide trophies please!!