Suprise attack questions

Azalin76

I've seen different things on different websites and am wondering if this morph still does magic damage. I would think that since it scales from stamina that it would do physical damage but some websites are saying it's still magic damage.

Paazhahdrimaak

I want to help. But not enough info. Just saying . Or I can just be completely oblivious to what your saying and others understand.

Mitchblue

It's been awhile but the least time I did it was magic, cost. It scales though off stam or weapon damage I believe.

Azalin76

Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »

I want to help. But not enough info. Just saying . Or I can just be completely oblivious to what your saying and others understand.

Just confused as to if it does physical or magic damage. I know it costs stamina when you morph it and scales from stamina, but does it do physical damage instead of magic damage.

I'm asking because I'm thinking of making a stamina nighblade but if it doesn't do physical damage then it seems like being a magic nighblade would do more damage.

Lenikus

The Surprise Attack does Physical damage. that makes it the best burst damage skill as far as stamina is concerned. That, and Ambush, which teleport strike also morphs to stamina and Physical dmg.

Killer's Blade tho', the execute one, does Magic Damage, like all the other nightblade skills do.

Azalin76

Lenikus wrote: »

The Surprise Attack does Physical damage. that makes it the best burst damage skill as far as stamina is concerned. That, and Ambush, which teleport strike also morphs to stamina and Physical dmg.

Killer's Blade tho', the execute one, does Magic Damage, like all the other nightblade skills do.

Thank you, I was looking at the skills at http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Skills and it says it does magic damage so I was very confused. Didn't seem right to me doing magic damage with a stamina based morph.

Lenikus

Azalin76 wrote: »

Thank you, I was looking at the skills at http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Skills and it says it does magic damage so I was very confused. Didn't seem right to me doing magic damage with a stamina based morph.

Pretty sure the skill description now correctly says "Physical", and you can trust those, for most skills.
Only Issue is that some skills, like that Drain Power, or the Killer's Blade, GET their Stamina Morph, Scale off Weapon Damage, but still count as Magic damage, wich makes them useless cp-wise.
(You can use a non-class abitily skill to execute and/or buff, tho', like the Rally and Executioner combo, very popular among nightblades (and all other stamina builds, really) for that same reason)

Azalin76

Lenikus wrote: »

Azalin76 wrote: »

Thank you, I was looking at the skills at http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Skills and it says it does magic damage so I was very confused. Didn't seem right to me doing magic damage with a stamina based morph.

Pretty sure the skill description now correctly says "Physical", and you can trust those, for most skills.
Only Issue is that some skills, like that Drain Power, or the Killer's Blade, GET their Stamina Morph, Scale off Weapon Damage, but still count as Magic damage, wich makes them useless cp-wise.
(You can use a non-class abitily skill to execute and/or buff, tho', like the Rally and Executioner combo, very popular among nightblades (and all other stamina builds, really) for that same reason)

yeah that's the main reason I was wanting to know, wanted to be sure my CP would be worth anything for physical damage. They really should change killer's blade to physical damage so it scales better.

Do you also happen to know if invisible is the same as stealth? Just curious for passives that say you do more damage if stealthed, it doesn't specify if being invisible also gives the extra damage or not like when using cloak. I know master's assasin says invisible or stealth but the racial passive stealthy only says from stealth.

Master_Kas

Teleport strike morph Ambush, and veiled strike morph surprise attack both do physical damage (stated in tooltip ingame) while as Lenikus says, killers blade morph still does magic dmg (but scales with stam/weap dmg)

The Deathstroke ultimate (and it's morphs) also do magick dmg, but scale of magicka/spelldmg or stam/weapdmg depending on which is higher

Azalin76

I have also seen players talk about using ambush then rapid strikes for the 20% bonus damage, how does that work? Does just the first stab get the 20% bonus or does each stab get the bonus?

Lenikus

Azalin76 wrote: »

Do you also happen to know if invisible is the same as stealth? Just curious for passives that say you do more damage if stealthed, it doesn't specify if being invisible also gives the extra damage or not like when using cloak. I know master's assasin says invisible or stealth but the racial passive stealthy only says from stealth.

Stealth and Invisible are indeed Not the same.
You can send a surprise attack from stealth (hidden) for more than double damage (crit considered), and the armor debuff, or you can, mid-combat, use cloak and then the surprise attack, but like this it's damage will be normal, and you'll merely trigger teh debuff/stun (good enough).

If you're merely Hidden, someone walks near you and they see you. If you're invisible, unless they damage you (or you damage them) they will basically walk right past you.

^ That's why most gankers even when they know their stealth, still go for the one with the back turned to 'em

Azalin76

Lenikus wrote: »

Azalin76 wrote: »

Do you also happen to know if invisible is the same as stealth? Just curious for passives that say you do more damage if stealthed, it doesn't specify if being invisible also gives the extra damage or not like when using cloak. I know master's assasin says invisible or stealth but the racial passive stealthy only says from stealth.

Stealth and Invisible are indeed Not the same.
You can send a surprise attack from stealth (hidden) for more than double damage (crit considered), and the armor debuff, or you can, mid-combat, use cloak and then the surprise attack, but like this it's damage will be normal, and you'll merely trigger teh debuff/stun (good enough).

If you're merely Hidden, someone walks near you and they see you. If you're invisible, unless they damage you (or you damage them) they will basically walk right past you.

^ That's why most gankers even when they know their stealth, still go for the one with the back turned to 'em

Thank you for the help, I didn't realize there was that big of a difference. I often wondered why nothing seemed to ever crit from cloaking and now I know. Though I have noticed that even from stealth not every hit is an automatic crit, I think it is supposed to be but I have used snipe from stealth and it hardly ever crits. So does this mean that magicka nighblades are better at ganking because they can't be detected when cloaking? Stamina nightblades don't really have an option to use cloak because it costs so much but magicka nightblades can stay invisible forever.

Avonna

suprise attack cost magicka to cast but does physical damage and scales off weapon power.

concealed weapon cost magicka to cast and does magic damage.

hope that helps.

xox
avonna

Avonna

edit... surprise attack might cost stamina to cast now i forget!!!! lol but the rest is the same sorry about that.

UltimaJoe777

Azalin76 wrote: »

I have also seen players talk about using ambush then rapid strikes for the 20% bonus damage, how does that work? Does just the first stab get the 20% bonus or does each stab get the bonus?

Ambush grants a power boost upon use which you can then transition into Rapid Strikes or its morph to inflict extra damage per hit. Rapid Strikes also has a morph that lets each hit deal 2% more damage than the last. The damage increase from Ambush though applies so long as the boost is in effect.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Surprise attack is a physical attack, scales off stamina and uses stamina to fuel it as does Ambush the Teleport strike morph, Ambush grants Empower, gives a extra 20% damage on the next attack after its use, you should use a ability like surprise attack (best) or flying blade to get the most out of it though, Flurry (and its morphs) only grants the extra 20% damage on the first hit of the Channel combo attack (like 6-7 hits total) not the whole combo, I have tested this many times and each hit of the combo is a separate attack even though its a multi combo strike.

A cool combo is using Ambush then Mass Hysteria (to CC your enemy) and if they are low on health then use a execute ability like Killers Blade, Steel Tornado, executioner from 2H, etc and it will still grant the extra 20% since fear is not a damaging attack.. another is using a ultimate ability right after Ambush to get the extra 20% damage to it, except for the Deathstroke Ultimate (and its morphs) Zos nerfed it long ago to not get the extra 20% damage since it was one shotting people when the game 1st went live.

Azalin76

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Surprise attack is a physical attack, scales off stamina and uses stamina to fuel it as does Ambush the Teleport strike morph, Ambush grants Empower, gives a extra 20% damage on the next attack after its use, you should use a ability like surprise attack (best) or flying blade to get the most out of it though, Flurry (and its morphs) only grants the extra 20% damage on the first hit of the Channel combo attack (like 6-7 hits total) not the whole combo, I have tested this many times and each hit of the combo is a separate attack even though its a multi combo strike.

A cool combo is using Ambush then Mass Hysteria (to CC your enemy) and if they are low on health then use a execute ability like Killers Blade, Steel Tornado, executioner from 2H, etc and it will still grant the extra 20% since fear is not a damaging attack.. another is using a ultimate ability right after Ambush to get the extra 20% damage to it, except for the Deathstroke Ultimate (and its morphs) Zos nerfed it long ago to not get the extra 20% damage since it was one shotting people when the game 1st went live.

Thanks for that info, I was unaware of the Deathstroke nerf, I have heard people talking about using fear and then deathstroke to do massive damage, does it do decent damage on it's own and that's how players are using it? I know I recently saw a Sypher video where he uses that combo.

Nighn_9

shouldnt this be in the player helping player thread?

mrskinskull

I thought this was a thread where we get surprised with questions.

I am disappointed.