Take the hint ZOS

tordr86b16_ESO

16 free dlc! If CD Projekt RED can do it then so can you. Build trust = money, simple truth.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Witcher 3 is no MMO. It's not supposed to last "years with renewed content". It has no megaserver costs. Compare what's comparable.

ESO is already B2P. You want the DLC / expansions to be free, too ???

Winterpsy

Witcher DLCs are small. Most of them are simply cosmetics, or a new quest, but those mostly use the existing terrain merely adding NPCs here and there and convos.

ESO DLC is HUGE.
You seriously cant expect to get something big like this for free.

tordr86b16_ESO

Winterpsy wrote: »

Witcher DLCs are small. Most of them are simply cosmetics, or a new quest, but those mostly use the existing terrain merely adding NPCs here and there and convos.

ESO DLC is HUGE.
You seriously cant expect to get something big like this for free.

WIth all those DLC's and the amount of stuff you can do in witcher 3's base game, has much more value than ESO has ever provided. ESO is a shallow excuse of a game, all there is to do is grind which in itself is due to the lack of content.

Imperial city is not large, it's in fact very tiny.

anitajoneb17_ESO

@tordr86b16_ESO , OK you don't enjoy ESO, fine. I guess you wouldn't enjoy it more if it were completely F2P either. So what's your point ? And what are you doing here ? Go discuss W3 on W3 forums...

Leandor

What I can see is that there are 5 new quests, 4 new item sets, 5 visual improvements and 2 I can't readily identify. Spread over about 3 months.

Please compare that to IC. I think that hint has long been taken by ZOS what with their DLC, slow as hell as it may come, exceeding that by far.

I am not always in agreement with ZOS and have my gripes with a lot of their decisions on game's direction, but the bashing is getting ridiculous.

Kuroinu

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

tordr86b16_ESO

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

andreasv

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

Someone has raised this point before, but I'll do it again. What are you doing here on a forum of a game that you think is "sub-par / not fun"?

tordr86b16_ESO

andreasv wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

Someone has raised this point before, but I'll do it again. What are you doing here on a forum of a game that you think is "sub-par / not fun"?

Hope.

andreasv

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

Someone has raised this point before, but I'll do it again. What are you doing here on a forum of a game that you think is "sub-par / not fun"?

Hope.

So you hope that free content will result in raising the quality of the game and make it fun for you. Well, enjoy waiting some more. Why don't you go back and try to find Ciri? Do it twice with different dresses for Yennefer.

Edit: DLC (actual DLC) for Witcher 3 is going to cost money to players who already purchased the game. Outrageous!

anitajoneb17_ESO

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Hope.

By meaningless bashing ? By calling it sub-par and not fun ? By comparing it to another game that's not relevant at all ? By making a suggestion (free DLC) that's not applicable at all ?

If you don't enjoy ESO at all as it is now there's no hope ZOS will change it just to suit your needs.

We might disagree with some decisions from ZOS but we still enjoy the game. We don't think it's sub-par or not fun.

Move on and avoid such non-constructive posts, please.

shugg

The way i see it eso will expand and develop so it needs continued income, i for one am happy for them to take my money on eso plus as long as new content comes out and they keep up on ingame issues. Im on ps4 so haven't had to wait as long as the pc players for content.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

This post is so stupid it's laughable. OP owes me 30 seconds of my life back. I especially found OP's insightful business acumen amusing "They have to take more risks".

Robotmafia

comparing a single player game to an mmo... good call man...

and as already mentioned... those are small dlcs.. no new areas or anything like that.. almost comparable to crown store patches...

Granz

This is dumb to even post this. That is all skins and simple content. Stuff they had done on the release of the game that should have been in it that they spoon fed to the community. Now they are better for it? Gimme a break. This post is taking up hard drive space.

Mighty_oakk

Granz wrote: »

This is dumb to even post this. That is all skins and simple content. Stuff they had done on the release of the game that should have been in it that they spoon fed to the community. Now they are better for it? Gimme a break. This post is taking up hard drive space.

You mean the skins eso players would pay $25 each for then afk in starter zones lol

SlayerTheDragon

Great post. Well done.

andreasv

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Granz wrote: »

This is dumb to even post this. That is all skins and simple content. Stuff they had done on the release of the game that should have been in it that they spoon fed to the community. Now they are better for it? Gimme a break. This post is taking up hard drive space.

You mean the skins eso players would pay $25 each for then afk in starter zones lol

Admitted it's basically the same with ZOS attempting to earn a bit with only investing little. What I don't like is that CDPR is considered as the best thing happened to gaming because their marketing says 16 free DCLs.

A little bit later it was added that actual DLC has to be purchased and I don't mind that at all. Only the outcry from individuals who demand everything added to a base game has to be free now.

JD2013

Actual DLC for the Witcher 3 (2 new areas that are coming) are stated to cost money.

New areas for ESO are costing money.

Are we seeing a pattern here for new areas?

Pallmor

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

16 free dlc! If CD Projekt RED can do it then so can you. Build trust = money, simple truth.

CD Projekt RED doesn't have to run a massive complex MMO that requires a huge team to to maintain. ZOS can't pay their staff (which is probably 50x the size of CDPR's team) with hugs and kisses.

So pony up, or STFU.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

Someone has raised this point before, but I'll do it again. What are you doing here on a forum of a game that you think is "sub-par / not fun"?

Hope.

"All hope abandon, ye who enter here." - Dante
"You don't get something for nothing." - Geddy Lee

Like many have already said, you can't compare mmo's to single player games, the "free" dlcs you're getting from Witcher are just preping you to BUY the real dlcs coming up.

GeertKarel

Most of the Witcher 3 his DLC are small improvements. I believe zenimax isn't charging us for small improvements for the game but they are when it comes to an actual DLC like Imperial city or Orsinium.
Witcher 3 isn't giving the DLC away for free where you can spend atleast 20 hours of gameplay.

Callous2208

Why do these threads plague every game forum. Go away. "But I stay because I have hope." Such total bs. You just called ESO a shallow excuse of a game and sub-par/not fun. No minor tweaks or changes will cause your opinion to shift. You know how many games I still play that I find sub-par/not fun, shallow excuses for games? Zero, the answer is zero. Face facts here pal. You like single player games and dislike mmo's, especially this one. I like Chinese food but do not care for Indian cuisine. I don't get on yelp and trash the Indian spot down the street because I don't like what they offer compared to P.F. Changs. I don't blast them for what they offer and demean them for not giving me free fortune cookies.

Edit-This will probably get removed for baiting/being a meanie. Know that I still love you and respect you as a person, I just disagree with what you've brought to the table today.

Elsonso

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

16 free dlc! If CD Projekt RED can do it then so can you. Build trust = money, simple truth.

This is not the way the ZeniMax / Bethesda games are done. Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim all had just a few expansions and DLC spread out over months. Even the Fallout franchise follows this model.

Different philosophy in how, and why, post-release content is created and released.

They are using the free DLC to try and get post-release sales of the base game. It is all stuff that could have been in the base game, but you didn't get it with the base game. Instead, you have to download it separately. Yay for you.

Pallmor wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

16 free dlc! If CD Projekt RED can do it then so can you. Build trust = money, simple truth.

CD Projekt RED doesn't have to run a massive complex MMO that requires a huge team to to maintain. ZOS can't pay their staff (which is probably 50x the size of CDPR's team) with hugs and kisses.

I suspect that the Live Services team, what I think they call those people who run and maintain the megaservers, is pretty small compared to the rest of the studio. From what was said on an ESO Live a few months back, I am guessing that they can hold team meetings in a small office.

tordr86b16_ESO

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

Someone has raised this point before, but I'll do it again. What are you doing here on a forum of a game that you think is "sub-par / not fun"?

Hope.

"All hope abandon, ye who enter here." - Dante
"You don't get something for nothing." - Geddy Lee

Like many have already said, you can't compare mmo's to single player games, the "free" dlcs you're getting from Witcher are just preping you to BUY the real dlcs coming up.

Maybe that thinking should change. Just because it's an mmo the game should not get a free pass on lack of content. Concerning Witcher 3. They could have charged money for those small DLC's, they could also have given a flying f about adding new features to their game after the initial release of the game, and fixing the bugs.

There's bugs in ESO that are still in the game that have been here since release, are they getting fixed? We only have ZOS's word which is worth nothing these days.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Well thing is TES DLC were always so big and TES DLC always added more to the game unlike most DLC now a days that just add the rest of the game.

This Witcher 3 DLC stuff is one of those that is adding the rest of the game cause looking at that list and it seems like that stuff should have been in the game to begin with.

MornaBaine

I think I get what the OP is driving at. Past level 50 content is really thin and/or difficult because it requires groups. New solo-able quests and player housing and guild cities would keep this game going and they need to get those things in. And if they are "small" (like a single quest) things that can be "thrown in" for free now and again then I think people would be more willing to pay for larger scale DLC.

Rikal

CD Projekt RED spamming out little free downloads does not change my trust level of them at all.

ZOS not spamming out little free downloads does not change my trust level of them at all.

Net result of this thread. Zero.

Ackwalan

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

While I agree that trust is the best way to keep your player/fan base around. I don't like seeing MMOs compared to single player games, it's a very different situation and ZOS should not be compelled to "keep up" with single player games.

They need to take more risks, right now they are not and it is showing. I'm not comparing ESO to a single-player, all I'm saying is, what is the point in playing/paying for a mmo if the game is sub-par / not fun?

Start up a game company and take all the risk yourself.

Asherons_Call

The witcher is not an MMO. Apples and oranges