Psijic potions results in further seperating the power gamers from the casual

reften

Make no mistake, I understand and appreciate that players who play more than me will have a better toon than me.

But, I've done the VR14, max level provisioning writ every day since the patch, and have two pieces, while the power gamers have all the pieces, and plenty of perfect roe.

Essentially, I can not run all that often at 50% bonus to XP. Power gamers can run non-stop. And there is nothing I can do about it short of paying money to buy crowns to buy the potions.

You've basically given players who play more an additional 50% boost in XP over players who can't play as much. And it's deflating.

Just some feedback

phairdon

Finally got one piece, yesterday. Only had one perfect roe a couple of months back or there about, sold it. Unfortunately this is the way RNG works.

reften

phairdon wrote: »

Finally got one piece, yesterday. Only had one perfect roe a couple of months back or there about, sold it. Unfortunately this is the way RNG works.

I know, which is fine, but it's one thing for people to grind out better items, which is fine. It's another to be able to grind out a non-stop 50% boost in XP.

People in zones are even selling complete receipts. Geez. Again, don't mind people having better equipment because they play more, but to give them an additional 50% non-stop XP boost is crazy

Nebthet78

It is easier for you to just buy the pieces of the recipe from the guild store than it is to find them because of RNG. I made all my money back plus more in one month while I only found four different pages of the recipe in that time and I bought the pages when they were around 110k each.

AlnilamE

You know you can buy the recipe fragments, right? That's what I did, and they are now between half and a third of the price I paid.

Not that I've actually used the ambrosia other than the one I got from a friend when he gave them away in celebration of completing the recipe.

And if people are fishing for roe, they are not earning XP.

It's your choice if you want to do this by getting the recipe (I've done 7 writs a day forever and just recently went down to 4 a day instead), or if you want to instead just do stuff that earns you XP and enough gold to buy the potions from someone else.

Personally, I like playing the game and I don't feel that I need the XP boost, so I don't care either way. I'll probably use them if I do DSA, for example, because that's a good chunk of XP, but for regular playing, I'll just have fun instead.

dabulls7491

You can buy the potions from traders for less than 6k each now....just buy those until you get frags

Hostyle34

You have 2, I have none......some guilds funnel all the recipes to a crafter. It's not about power players.

Tectonaut

So what you are saying basically (correct me if I'm wrong) is that it is unfair that players who play more to progress more quickly than a player who plays infrequently?

redspecter23

Those that are farming roe and making xp pots are probably spending more time on fishing than they are saving on the xp/min gains. Just buy the pots for 3500g each. If you're in a mob farm, you can easily make that much back in the 50 minutes you're grinding. The pots pay for themselves. Fishing for pots is actually a trap that causes you to earn less xp/min

strikeback1247

Fragments are pretty cheap right now. You can make the full recipe for around 200k on PC.

Also, the pots are ~4.5k each so I don't really see the problem :^)

neueregel

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Fragments are pretty cheap right now. You can make the full recipe for around 200k on PC.

Also, the pots are ~4.5k each so I don't really see the problem :^)

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Minnesinger

neueregel wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Fragments are pretty cheap right now. You can make the full recipe for around 200k on PC.

Also, the pots are ~4.5k each so I don't really see the problem :^)

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I can buy them for 3,5k each and the price is falling due to the competition. The fragments I have tried to sell at the current price but it is always lower the next day so none buys from me. Now I keep the fragments to get the recipe.

Whendim_ESO

Tectonaut wrote: »

So what you are saying basically (correct me if I'm wrong) is that it is unfair that players who play more to progress more quickly than a player who plays infrequently?

That's how I read it and I was all like, *head tilt*

Muizer

I forget. Do these things affect xp, or cp as well?

nimander99

I still haven't gotten a single piece of the recipe... AARRRRGGGGG!!! *dies

leepalmer95

Muizer wrote: »

I forget. Do these things affect xp, or cp as well?

Yep increase cp gain by 50% as well, as well a vet lvl exp

F7sus4

reften wrote: »

Make no mistake, I understand and appreciate that players who play more than me will have a better toon than me.

But, I've done the VR14, max level provisioning writ every day since the patch, and have two pieces, while the power gamers have all the pieces, and plenty of perfect roe.

Essentially, I can not run all that often at 50% bonus to XP. Power gamers can run non-stop. And there is nothing I can do about it short of paying money to buy crowns to buy the potions.

You've basically given players who play more an additional 50% boost in XP over players who can't play as much. And it's deflating.

Just some feedback

It's similar to complaint that people who work 20h a day can earn more money than a person working 4h a day. Which is stupid.

nimander99

F7sus4 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Make no mistake, I understand and appreciate that players who play more than me will have a better toon than me.

But, I've done the VR14, max level provisioning writ every day since the patch, and have two pieces, while the power gamers have all the pieces, and plenty of perfect roe.

Essentially, I can not run all that often at 50% bonus to XP. Power gamers can run non-stop. And there is nothing I can do about it short of paying money to buy crowns to buy the potions.

You've basically given players who play more an additional 50% boost in XP over players who can't play as much. And it's deflating.

Just some feedback

It's similar to complaint that people who work 20h a day can earn more money than a person working 4h a day. Which is stupid.

This is a fantastic example, agree 100%.

Rioht

I still don't understand why they even included champion points in the xp gain of the potions. Leveling an alt hell yeah I will buy them. But making then a necessity to be competitive in PvP is just bad design.

Tors

Good old conversation about this stuff being available to power levelers only.



If its really that hard to get the recipe for yourself (and then waste hours fishing) Then spend some of the crowns you get from the subscription on the scrolls, they are cheap as chips


By the way, I got the recipe myself, on the morning it came out. Without help of a guild. Not hard if you help yourself.

BlueGreenMikey

F7sus4 wrote: »

It's similar to complaint that people who work 20h a day can earn more money than a person working 4h a day. Which is stupid.

I don't really agree with the OP's suggestion that this is a problem, BUT:

I don't think that's a similar complaint, unless you look at playing ESO as a chore rather than something that's fun. Many of us don't play ESO to advance, we play because it's fun. And IF an imbalance causes the game to become unfun for a non-negligible number of people, then that's something the game designers need to take a look at.

That said, I don't necessarily agree that the rich-getting-richer makes the game any less fun for those of us non 0.1%ers.

Acrolas

Oh no somebody is getting 630 XP instead of 420 XP the game-breaking horrors.

If you have enlightenment plus Cyrodiil passive bonuses, then yes, it's nice. But really, if you pop 10 Ambrosia in a row, you're looking at 45 minutes of good grinding followed by 6.75 hours of a much smaller advantage. 50% extra is only as good as the number it's taken from.

If you can play for at least 45 minutes under favorable conditions, you're getting the optimum return on your potion. Past that, it's just better to bank them.

F7sus4

BlueGreenMikey wrote: »

I don't think that's a similar complaint, unless you look at playing ESO as a chore rather than something that's fun. Many of us don't play ESO to advance, we play because it's fun.

Some play to compete with other players - pro-players.
Some play to casually have fun - you.

You shouldn't force everyone to stick with just one idea of yours about their gameplay. And if you're playing "for fun" - as you say - it shouldn't bother you who claimed which mountain at all.

It's pretty much "I'm poor, so all rich people should be prevented from getting money" logic. This is neither fair nor smart (to say the least).

phairdon

reften wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Finally got one piece, yesterday. Only had one perfect roe a couple of months back or there about, sold it. Unfortunately this is the way RNG works.

I know, which is fine, but it's one thing for people to grind out better items, which is fine. It's another to be able to grind out a non-stop 50% boost in XP.

People in zones are even selling complete receipts. Geez. Again, don't mind people having better equipment because they play more, but to give them an additional 50% non-stop XP boost is crazy

Cannot say it bothers me. We all have a opportunity to obtain the same boost, whether through writs & fishing or buying recipes & roe from other players.

Troneon

Most people find a grind spot that drops a lot of mats and gold/items.....farm exp and gold....use gold to buy more exp potions....or get a guildie to craft them for discount...

Repeat and rinse...

It's the quickest way to do it, they don't even care about recipes or writs...but you are correct in the balance of champion points is just broken, pvp will never be competitive in ESO until they fix it...

LadyDestiny

Rng is bad. Been playing since beta on pc, transfered to console and all maxed crafters, 3 vets and 4 provisioners. So far not one shard for a recipe. Same thing happened with nirncrux. Have only acquired 6 total all this time. Hirelings and writs are terrible. Trying to get frost merriam is a joke as well. Sone people get tons of this stuff all the time. I know it is not because I don't play. I play several hours everyday, do all writs and check mails. The system is a mess and needs some work. With new dlc coming out, they need to increase the % of drops on this stuff now. With the amount of materials blacksmith, wood and clothing take for writs everyday, compared to provisioning, alchemy and enchanting, they surely could make it a little more worth the time and expense that is put into the grind. Just want to have some time to actually play the game instead of it feeling like a chore all the time.

LadyDestiny

neueregel wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Fragments are pretty cheap right now. You can make the full recipe for around 200k on PC.

Also, the pots are ~4.5k each so I don't really see the problem :^)

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Everthing is cheaper on pc because people are wiser and the economy has settled. On console, people still think trying to sell a shard for 350k is a good deal. Will be glad when people finally figure out proper pricing and the economy gets a little better. After transer from pc, I facepalm everytime I go to a guild trader on console

Rune_Relic

F7sus4 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Make no mistake, I understand and appreciate that players who play more than me will have a better toon than me.

But, I've done the VR14, max level provisioning writ every day since the patch, and have two pieces, while the power gamers have all the pieces, and plenty of perfect roe.

Essentially, I can not run all that often at 50% bonus to XP. Power gamers can run non-stop. And there is nothing I can do about it short of paying money to buy crowns to buy the potions.

You've basically given players who play more an additional 50% boost in XP over players who can't play as much. And it's deflating.

Just some feedback

It's similar to complaint that people who work 20h a day can earn more money than a person working 4h a day. Which is stupid.

No Life > Game Balance

Mighty_oakk

It's zos way of getting you to buy xp scrolls

NewBlacksmurf

Casuals like me buy exp scrolls...prob solved.
1,000 crowns can give me 3-5 week days of exp filled playtime.

Sometimes I play more but it's simple but once I'm out I just play normal.