world pvp:)

Pyrocyborg

Well, part of the fun of a PvP server comes from the fact that you can be killed anywhere. It lurks around and you build your character around this or keep some of your defensive abilities on CD just in case (i.e. to save yourself when you're being ganked).

If you can just toggle your way in or out, sure, it prevents griefing, camping and this kind of behavior, but it also remove the only drawback (or benefit, according to your point of view) of a PvP game which is to be unable to progress at some point without skipping something or bringing friends (or your main). IMO, the overall tension is what make people create a toon on a PvP server, and this is also what makes people who want a stress-free environment choose a PvE server.

With a PvP on/off toggle, we're looking at something like the PvE servers of WoW which hardly had any PvP at all except when someone went into an ennemy hub and was spotted by a guard. Sure, there were some skirmishes here and there (especially during city raids), but otherwise, we were looking at some very situationnal PvP because everyone could just toggle it off if the situation went a little too far to their taste.

Age of Conan had this kind of free-for-all PvP which wasn't half-bad, but the way I remember about it, it had little to no drawbacks to killing people, except when you were near guards.

In ESO, with a PvP toggle, they would need to bring some kind of PvP Justice system too: otherwise, it's just pointless if you can simply gank a lot of lowbies and stealth/toggle off your way out.

KiraTsukasa

J2JMC wrote: »

How exactly does phased pvp cause an annoyance to players who choose not to engage in pvp?

It's less a question of annoyance and more a question of why bother. If you want to PvP, go to Cyrodiil. If you don't want to, don't go. Simple.

Cagro

I do not understand why people will object to having the option to world pvp. If you do not want to participate, do not pick the option. I do not like to attack NPCs so I turn that off. Why can world PVP work the same way? If you toggle it off, you cannot attack or be attacked by other players. I will enjoy PVE so much more with world PVP and I know I am not alone.

SirAndy

silentstoner wrote: »

world pvp

No ...

Uriel_Nocturne

Cagro wrote: »

I do not understand why people will object to having the option to world pvp. If you do not want to participate, do not pick the option. I do not like to attack NPCs so I turn that off. Why can world PVP work the same way? If you toggle it off, you cannot attack or be attacked by other players. I will enjoy PVE so much more with world PVP and I know I am not alone.

You might not be alone, but you would still be in a vast minority.

Most Gamers in an MMO play their chosen game for the PvE. the reason why PvP numbers are so low in most MMO's isn't for lack of PvP content, it's because the native desire for it and general population in it is vastly lower than the "purely PvE" population of the games.

Thus, development companies cater to the PvE crowd as it is/always-has-been a larger, more sustained populace than any PvP they've ever put into an MMO.

Zuuman

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Yes. Full world PvP. Because what we need is VR players preventing low leveled players from leaving the starting city.

As if there wasn't enough complaining already...

Just make it so you have to be into a certain lvl range to be attacked by someone else, like a VR5 could only attack a flagged VR1-VR10 or 5lvl below and any lvl over so a low lvl could still engage fight with a VR14 if he rly wanted to get his booty served to him. I don't see much annoyance to it as long as it's on/off option.

Armitas

The only thing that adding world PvP would permit is quest ganking, which IMO is not PvP. No one is going to want to do a quest with ganking turned on. It would be a complete waste of time.

silentstoner

Lol okay so alot of people just wanna kill a beast that's programed to do certain things when you figure it out boom not to much of a struggle, but with players u can't predict their moves makes battles more intense, yes cyrodil is awesome but the pvp in this game is so good we need more of it. At least arenas. An u can have something to prove you being a top notice dragon knight or whatever showing ur the best every where. Adds real tension to the game. This is a great game would love to see it expand. There is plenty of pve but 2 pvp areas not enough.

Senet

I like the idea of PvP Arenas. It would also be nice if they could set it up like the Imperial Arena in Oblivion where you could be a combatant or be in the stands and bet on the fights.

I can imagine PvE mostly players like myself, betting on who is going to win the PvP battle going on in the arena.

Tandor

Senet wrote: »

I like the idea of PvP Arenas. It would also be nice if they could set it up like the Imperial Arena in Oblivion where you could be a combatant or be in the stands and bet on the fights.

I can imagine PvE mostly players like myself, betting on who is going to win the PvP battle going on in the arena.

I'd be fine with that. Indeed, I'd be fine with any form of PvP that took place in separate instances from the PvE, or on separate servers. If players want to pretend that they're facing a greater challenge against real players based upon skill when we all know that more often than not it's down to level, gear and CPs then that's fine by me. Just so long as they don't complain constantly about balancing issues based on 1v1 PvP, which they will because in any PvP fights there are losers, and in their minds they only lose because the other guy's class or race is over-powered and their class or race is under-powered.

I'd seriously be perfectly happy with dueling or arenas if I thought it would be in separate instances or on separate servers and wouldn't lead to constant complaints about balancing issues. I would never be remotely happy, however, with PvP in open world PvE areas on the main servers.

starkerealm

Funny thing. On the PTS, I went into the Arena. There was a boss there, and along with a couple other people, we started fighting them. Then about mid fight, some Dominion ganker tried to join the fun by jumping the tank. Which... was actually pretty hilarious in it's own right, but then they got smeared... somehow. Might have been the boss, actually. And we went back to the boss.

So, rejoice, Arena based PvP is coming!

CapnPhoton

My last day in the game would be the day before they would add something like this. My reasons are in the other post on this. BTW there have been several.

Masuimi

CapnPhoton wrote: »

My last day in the game would be the day before they would add something like this. My reasons are in the other post on this. BTW there have been several.

Stop being so greedy. If there's a toggle or arena.. u can simply opt not to participate in it and it won't affect you.

You don't want other people to enjoy something just because you don't enjoy it yourself. So selfish man.

stevenbennett_ESO

Hmph. You PvPers are welcome to have full world PvP, as long as: 1) There's a flag to completely opt out of it for non-PvPers, and 2) They make it so Cyrodil and Imperial City can be experienced as PvE by those who opt out of PvP.

* Cue screams of outrage from PvPers at the suggestion that their PvP areas could be spoiled by PvE flagged players… *

wmkep3

I could see having the option to challenge another person within the pve areas and possibly even have some type of wager like money or items or even just a arena for 1v1 2v2 or even a guild war type deal

Tholian1

Sometimes I wonder if certain devs in disguise keep "suggesting" these open world PvP ideas to try and persuade us PvE players to be ok with it.

It will never happen.

/me removes tinfoil hat.

Iluvrien

Masuimi wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

My last day in the game would be the day before they would add something like this. My reasons are in the other post on this. BTW there have been several.

Stop being so greedy. If there's a toggle or arena.. u can simply opt not to participate in it and it won't affect you.

You don't want other people to enjoy something just because you don't enjoy it yourself. So selfish man.

If that toggle means that people are in a totally different phase, i.e. I don't see the rolling battles occurring in/around the landscape/towns, then it might not prove problematic.

If I can see the open world PvP then it does affect me automatically. How can having reservations about that be greedy when you are the one advocating for a change that may impact on other people's enjoyment of the game.

If there is an arena then it isn't open-world PvP. I would be ok with that too.

Of course if it is used as the reason to make further changes to PvE abilities/stats/gear then it needs to be dropped back down into the dark hole it slithered out of.

Cagro

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Hmph. You PvPers are welcome to have full world PvP, as long as: 1) There's a flag to completely opt out of it for non-PvPers, and 2) They make it so Cyrodil and Imperial City can be experienced as PvE by those who opt out of PvP.

* Cue screams of outrage from PvPers at the suggestion that their PvP areas could be spoiled by PvE flagged players… *

I will agree to this because I am hating Caldwell's Silver and I still have to do Caldwell's Gold. How can people enjoy killing mindless NPCs?

silentstoner

I think we all can find a happy medium to this rather than people just sayin no or dont agree doesn't mean it shouldn't be given to other cuz they don't like or agree with it, it would be enjoyable gift just toggle it on or off

Rikal

If there is sufficient demand for it, make a PvP server. Don't mix it in on the existing servers where it would be nothing but an annoyance to the many players who want absolutely nothing to do with it.

Dylanator30

They need to take a chapter out of DC Universe pvp system, it was very well done

Ballzy321

1000 cp v14's camping lvl 10's at way shrine. No thanks.

silentstoner

Hey people read comments, there would be a lvl cap for pvp 10-20 n such on. No higher lvl banking lowers, an don't see how it would bother anyone if toggle switch put it on or off no reason for a separate server. If its off then people can't attack you an so forth.

Tandor

silentstoner wrote: »

Hey people read comments, there would be a lvl cap for pvp 10-20 n such on. No higher lvl banking lowers, an don't see how it would bother anyone if toggle switch put it on or off no reason for a separate server. If its off then people can't attack you an so forth.

The objections to open world PvP are many and have been recounted many times on this forum. They include the spoiling of zone chat, the spoiling of immersion when people are fighting their own alliance and dancing over their corpses, increased lag in open world areas, diversion of developer resources from more pressing issues, constant calls for skill, passive and gear balancing based on 1v1 PvP but impacting on PvE, harassment of opted out "carebears" by frustrated wannabe PvPers, and so on. Such issues are not addressed by imposing level caps, opt outs, and so on. They are issues that people have encountered before in other games regardless of the restrictions and safeguards put in place.

There are plenty of open world PvP MMOs out there for those that seek that kind of thrill. They don't need to turn ESO into one, and it isn't likely to happen. There's a massive PvP DLC coming in the next couple of weeks, at least have a good go at that before asking for more.

CapnPhoton

Masuimi wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

My last day in the game would be the day before they would add something like this. My reasons are in the other post on this. BTW there have been several.

Stop being so greedy. If there's a toggle or arena.. u can simply opt not to participate in it and it won't affect you.

You don't want other people to enjoy something just because you don't enjoy it yourself. So selfish man.

It's greedy to ask for a disruption in current game mechanics to add PvP combat to every zone, something that not everyone wants, even if there is an opt out. Perhaps people should instead be asking for a PvP only server.

Prof_Bawbag

Milktray wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Even if you had the option to turn it off, people would still try to attack you in case you had it turned on. It would be an extreme PVE annoyance.

They still do that now lol

I run the prison everytime i make a new character and the amount of idiots who just run along swinging a sword is amazing, you can stand in one place and have half a dozen ppl trying to kill you even though you are speaking to them In Area Chat asking what they think they are doing and could they get out the way of your target ;-)

That's rather harsh. Lots of people just pretend to attack for the sake of it. I've had vets do it, I've had noobs do it and I occasionally do it too. Sometimes we just like to swing our swords for the hell of it. Go to any busy city hub, next to the crafting stations and there's lots of people doing it. Can't believe people get annoyed with this. Now, music or screeching gets right on my *** within seconds, but it's not as if someone swinging a weapon even impacts on anything.

Prof_Bawbag

Masuimi wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

My last day in the game would be the day before they would add something like this. My reasons are in the other post on this. BTW there have been several.

Stop being so greedy. If there's a toggle or arena.. u can simply opt not to participate in it and it won't affect you.

You don't want other people to enjoy something just because you don't enjoy it yourself. So selfish man.

The thing is, if the game had been advertised as an open world pvp, then that would have been fine. however, because people bought the game knowing what they were getting and it was to completely change, then no, it's not selfish if they were to moan about it. Considering the server set up we currently have, I don't think it would be possible to toggle anything without them adding more servers. If anything, they're needing to add more servers first to allow a more localised experience to the likes of Australasia and Oceania.

GreyHound501

I didnt bother to read the previous posts in this forum except the op but world pvp would be great in my opinion and there is a very easy way to implement it so that pvers and pvpers are separated. You see the game already puts people into instances so what they could do is have two different types of instances a pvp instance and a pve instance where you could toggle which type yiu would want to load into. That way you can keep both of them separated.

TheBonesXXX

The reason this game wasn't designed seamless and open world is because doesn't suite the carebears fancy and the vision of one mega server.