getting almost 1 shotted

wizardpsx

Okay, so i'm a new console player who just had the time of his life in blackbay(sp?) its the non-vet campaign.

i just turned level 50 or Vet rank 1 and tried out pvp in a vet-campaign. and oh wow, i was getting hit by crystal frags for 10k+ and dieing relatively fast.

couple of questions:
1) is this how pvp is at vr14?
2) is there something i can do to help me live/kill better in the vet-campaigns
3) should i just grind pve till im vr14?

thanks.

Warraxx

1) is this how pvp is at vr14? YES
2) is there something i can do to help me live/kill better in the vet-campaigns NO
3) should i just grind pve till im vr14? YES

leepalmer95

wizardpsx wrote: »

Okay, so i'm a new console player who just had the time of his life in blackbay(sp?) its the non-vet campaign.

i just turned level 50 or Vet rank 1 and tried out pvp in a vet-campaign. and oh wow, i was getting hit by crystal frags for 10k+ and dieing relatively fast.

couple of questions:
1) is this how pvp is at vr14?
2) is there something i can do to help me live/kill better in the vet-campaigns
3) should i just grind pve till im vr14?

thanks.

Try to at least get to vet 3-4 first, you'll have to find a decent build first and likely re-do your skills and stats.

QuebraRegra

If you did a search you'd find this is a common problem.

They plan to have some form of leveling in the VET campaigns in the next patch. They plan to create non-vet NO CP campaigns in the near future.

In the interim, make alts and remain in non-vet campaigns. I'm sorry, but it's too fun to stop.

SturgeHammer

wizardpsx wrote: »

Okay, so i'm a new console player who just had the time of his life in blackbay(sp?) its the non-vet campaign.

i just turned level 50 or Vet rank 1 and tried out pvp in a vet-campaign. and oh wow, i was getting hit by crystal frags for 10k+ and dieing relatively fast.

couple of questions:
1) is this how pvp is at vr14?
2) is there something i can do to help me live/kill better in the vet-campaigns
3) should i just grind pve till im vr14?

thanks.

Never Leave Blackwater Blade. Keep making/remaking characters and enjoy the fun over and over again. Many players do this on PC.

Kobaal

To survive against magika builds all you need is Harness Magicka (Light armor active ability) and Healing Ward. Just keep those 2 shields up while weaving in a few attacks, then drop your ultimate. Rinse, Repeat.

SirAndy

wizardpsx wrote: »

i was getting hit by crystal frags for 10k+ and dieing relatively fast.

10k? That's nothing ...

I have plenty of screenshots of 20k+ one shot deaths. The highest i ever screenshotted was somewhere around 27k.
In one single hit.


PS: I'm on PC though where instagib macros are everywhere ...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

If your are not a Dragon Knight go one hand and shield and send those Crystal Frags right back. Good Defense can beat great offense

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Don't know how many other MMOs you've done PvP in, but this plays more like a twitch shooter than a traditional MMO.

The give-and-take, action-reaction model that you get from games like Guild Wars 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and (to a lesser degree) World of Warcraft only exists in PvE.

If you're new, PvP here will feel like one of two extremes: either building the hardest-hitting loadout possibe, and hoping you 1- or 2-shot someone before they 1- or 2-shot you OR tanking your build to Oblivion and back and turtling like a boss.

Unless you have a lot of backup, don't expect to get in there and take your time learning. You'll go down way too fast for that.

My advice is find some friends who can cover you while you figure out what's going on. There'll be a LOT less frustration that way.

Xael

SirAndy wrote: »

wizardpsx wrote: »

i was getting hit by crystal frags for 10k+ and dieing relatively fast.

10k? That's nothing ...

I have plenty of screenshots of 20k+ one shot deaths. The highest i ever screenshotted was somewhere around 27k.
In one single hit.


PS: I'm on PC though where instagib macros are everywhere ...

The instagib macro is a myth. This is not world of warcraft. The game does not support it due to global cooldowns. More importantly most good players weave/swap just as fast as a macro can.
Frags don't do 27k. This was a bug where Crystal Frag procs would stack on itself. This was fixed months ago.
I don't know anyone running more spell pen/damage/magicka than me and my frags are not doing over 20k anymore.

wizardpsx wrote: »

Okay, so i'm a new console player who just had the time of his life in blackbay(sp?) its the non-vet campaign.

i just turned level 50 or Vet rank 1 and tried out pvp in a vet-campaign. and oh wow, i was getting hit by crystal frags for 10k+ and dieing relatively fast.

couple of questions:
1) is this how pvp is at vr14?
2) is there something i can do to help me live/kill better in the vet-campaigns
3) should i just grind pve till im vr14?

thanks.

1. yes and no.
2. Level up or change your gear. It's easy to get your Health to around 17k at vr1. My vr2 alt has this. Your problem is your reaction time to damage and your gear/skill layout. You need a way to mitigate damage or heal through it.
3. yes and no. I would do both so you can get used to PvP outside of the non vet. Also you should know, next update the dmg in PvP is getting nerfed bad, it will be a lot like Blackwater Blade. Participation medals for everyone... @ZOS what's next? your version of the obama phone?

SirAndy

Xael wrote: »

The instagib macro is a myth.

@Xael
No, it's not. I tried it, it works. And just FYI, it still works on the new PTS build.

sadownik

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

The instagib macro is a myth.

@Xael
No, it's not. I tried it, it works. And just FYI, it still works on the new PTS build.

Ofc it works. Xael contradicts himself:

"The instagib macro is a myth. This is not world of warcraft. The game does not support it due to global cooldowns. More importantly most good players weave/swap just as fast as a macro can."

So the not-so-good players can play with a myth and be as good as most of good players huh?

sagitter

you are low level, you have a trash equip, you don't know how to move in pvp, what do you pretend? this is not a fps, you need to achieve some work here.

Xael

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

The instagib macro is a myth.

@Xael
No, it's not. I tried it, it works. And just FYI, it still works on the new PTS build.

Oh really? Please share it with us.
I am calling BS right now.


I find hilarious people make *** up like this because they are gettign wrecked in PvP.
Also name 3 people doing this.
PvP is way too dynamic, a "macro" like in WoW would get you destroyed by any decent player.

Alucardo

sagitter wrote: »

you are low level, you have a trash equip, you don't know how to move in pvp, what do you pretend? this is not a fps, you need to achieve some work here.

Woah, calm down there. It's probably his first time in Cyrodiil and I can understand his frustration considering a level 10 can participate against higher level players with great gear, and probably better setups.

Unfortunately, even at VR1 you're going to have a hard time, unless you hang with a group while in Cyrodiil. If you're used to PvE you're probably specced for 100% dps with a few light heals thrown in. It's a bit different against players.. you need to think more defensively. They aren't mud crabs.
Check out some PvP builds by Deltia and Sypher, and you'll see how they differ from regular PvE ones. You'll be using spells you never thought of while questing.

Truewavesound

Xael wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

The instagib macro is a myth.

@Xael
No, it's not. I tried it, it works. And just FYI, it still works on the new PTS build.

Oh really? Please share it with us.
I am calling BS right now.


I find hilarious people make *** up like this because they are gettign wrecked in PvP.
Also name 3 people doing this.
PvP is way too dynamic, a "macro" like in WoW would get you destroyed by any decent player.

Tee hee, Xael is a victim of his own wow assumptions and does not know what we mean by macroing in this context... but let him believe what he wants to believe, the more disinformation is spread, the more OP I will be (mwah ha ha)

HouLiGaN

Hey there, as some otheres recomended just make a new char and play in Non-Vet. I have a hold Guild based on just that... ( Pc Eu).

Your probably gottin 2-3 hits, but cus of the animation cancels you see it as a quick one shot... But yes do get to v14 and try Pvp out again, if u get a good build down, u can be having some fun also

wizardpsx

might i mention that im not complaining.

was just wondering what vet pvp was like because i leveled from 30+ to 50 in pvp and had a blast.

whats the eaisiest way to raise HP. i respeced points into 20 health and now i have 12k instead of 9k.

also i dont want to start over as i do want to play high end pvp.

also not sure if matters but i play on console

SirAndy

Xael wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

The instagib macro is a myth.

@Xael
No, it's not. I tried it, it works. And just FYI, it still works on the new PTS build.

Oh really? Please share it with us. I am calling BS right now.

I find hilarious people make *** up like this because they are gettign wrecked in PvP.
Also name 3 people doing this.
PvP is way too dynamic, a "macro" like in WoW would get you destroyed by any decent player.

Who said anything about WoW???

Anyone claiming macros don't work in PvP either doesn't understand how and when they are used or they're trying to generate doubt about macro use because they're using them themselves.

I can assure you they exist and do work ...

Xael

SirAndy wrote: »

Who said anything about WoW???

Anyone claiming macros don't work in PvP either doesn't understand how and when they are used or they're trying to generate doubt about macro use because they're using them themselves.

I can assure you they exist and do work ...

You said:

SirAndy wrote: »

10k? That's nothing ...

I have plenty of screenshots of 20k+ one shot deaths. The highest i ever screenshotted was somewhere around 27k.
In one single hit.


PS: I'm on PC though where instagib macros are everywhere ...

That is something notorious in WoW. There are no "instagib macros" everywhere on PC. You are either telling a lie or shooting your mouth off ignorantly. Again, give one person doing this with proof. Show us exactly what he is doing to get an unfair advantage over other players. Show JUST ONE example and show us what he is doing. If it is so bad and all over the game, surely proof of one single person and what they do can be provided.

Every time you use an ability there is a gcd of .5 seconds. Meaning you have to wait .5 seconds for the next ability to go off. There is also something players do called attack weaving (or animation cancelling). For example, light attack/ability or light/ability/bash. You cannot though do ability/ability as the .5 second gcd will cause delay. A great example of this is doing Reflective Light (instant attack) followed by Puncturing Sweep (instant). If you press both buttons back to back, the jabs will wait until the bolt has traveled or the gcd up before activating. That said, even a macro user will have to implement the gcd into the macro. There is no distinct advantage here. More importantly combat is dynamic. This is not PvE where everything follows script and can be easily predicted. That said, macroers are at a distinct disadvantage and subject to being jammed up.

I am claiming you are full of crap. You can go back and read what I wrote.
Implying I am trying to generate doubt because I use them is dishonest.
Anyone who watches my videos or twitch streams will confirm I am not doing this. The same goes for other notorious players who "one shot" or "insta gib" in Cyrodiil.

All of the whining about macros is based around getting beat down in PvP. That said, this is based on damage abilities and the notorious boogeyman known as "instagib" or "one shot" macro. I know for a fact you don't understand game mechanics and looking for something to blame.
Again, you are being held accountable for your accusations. It's time to put up or shut up.

Truewavesound

Truewavesound wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

The instagib macro is a myth.

@Xael
No, it's not. I tried it, it works. And just FYI, it still works on the new PTS build.

Oh really? Please share it with us.
I am calling BS right now.


I find hilarious people make *** up like this because they are gettign wrecked in PvP.
Also name 3 people doing this.
PvP is way too dynamic, a "macro" like in WoW would get you destroyed by any decent player.

Tee hee, Xael is a victim of his own wow assumptions and does not know what we mean by macroing in this context... but let him believe what he wants to believe, the more disinformation is spread, the more OP I will be (mwah ha ha)

SirAndy

Xael wrote: »

That is something notorious in WoW. There are no "instagib macros" everywhere on PC. You are either telling a lie or shooting your mouth off ignorantly. Again, give one person doing this with proof. Show us exactly what he is doing to get an unfair advantage over other players. Show JUST ONE example and show us what he is doing. If it is so bad and all over the game, surely proof of one single person and what they do can be provided.

So, you deny that macros exist yet you want me to show you how it's done? Color me amused ...

I have been beta testing this game for over 2 years and like any good beta tester worth their humongous salary of course i tested the use and viability of macros.

Macros existed before the game was even launched. Many of my fellow then Psijiic (full time 24/7) beta testers experimented and tested macros.

I can successfully stealth macro 1-shot instagib pretty much any unaware player unless they have a good stack of shields and even then all that is usually needed is a quick followup.
And yes, i tested this on the current PTS, still works like a charm.

If i can do it, so can everyone else with half a brain, a good macro App and/or access to Google.

Xael

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

That is something notorious in WoW. There are no "instagib macros" everywhere on PC. You are either telling a lie or shooting your mouth off ignorantly. Again, give one person doing this with proof. Show us exactly what he is doing to get an unfair advantage over other players. Show JUST ONE example and show us what he is doing. If it is so bad and all over the game, surely proof of one single person and what they do can be provided.

So, you deny that macros exist yet you want me to show you how it's done? Color me amused ...

I have been beta testing this game for over 2 years and like any good beta tester worth their humongous salary of course i tested the use and viability of macros.

Macros existed before the game was even launched. Many of my fellow then Psijiic (full time 24/7) beta testers experimented and tested macros.

I can successfully stealth macro 1-shot instagib pretty much any unaware player unless they have a good stack of shields and even then all that is usually needed is a quick followup.
And yes, i tested this on the current PTS, still works like a charm.

If i can do it, so can everyone else with half a brain, a good macro App and/or access to Google.

Again, this is hot-air.
I also beta tested this game. Big deal.
Again, show me proof of a "one shot" macro and its application. Where is the proof? You said it's all over the game, just give us 1... just 1 instance of it being used and exactly what they are doing. You won't provide proof because you are either making it all up or you know it will be shot to pieces and shown to not be advantageous. You can't get around a .5 GCD. Just about every average and ALL above average players already weave manually.

You are saying macroing is breaking pvp, show us 1 example and what they are doing, just 1...

Truewavesound

SirAndy et al - there's no arguing with stupid/willfully ignorant. Let him believe what he wants, who cares?!

A well used /ignore, i think.

SirAndy

Xael wrote: »

Where is the proof?

Truewavesound

He deserves humble pie though...not delicious proof-pudding.

Zsymon

The new patch will lower damage by 30% compared to Live, so you'll get more time to react.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Till the semi glass canon that enjoy high damage and the use of magic go full canon stealth attacks doing 20% more damage over all my Nightblade HoTs will be more of a joke and with dodge roll and Rally taking the full nerf bat to more burst I go. Making healing less effective then more expensive that's was really going to make me go less burstly right ZOS?

Cody

vet server PvP is a joke. do not waste your time with it. Its nothing but people taking advantage of infinite resource mechanics

Zsymon

Cody wrote: »

vet server PvP is a joke. do not waste your time with it. Its nothing but people taking advantage of infinite resource mechanics

I really don't think having a lot of resources is the problem on Live vet PvP.. the problem is the huge damage spikes even without stealth. Builds that have such huge damage, do not have infinite resources, they run out of magicka/stamina, they just kill you before they do.

An infinite resource build has about 1300 spell damage/1800 weapon damage, and isn't able to burst people down even on Live. High resource builds will be even weaker in the next patch, since they'll be doing even less damage. But they are good in groups where you can just spam weak heals endlessly without having to recover magicka with heavy attacks or waste gold on potions.

The builds with infinite resources are fun to play, but they are the weakest builds out there. You do not have infinite resources if you build for damage, even if you have tons of CPs. That is some lame myth frustrated people have spread. If you have say, 1300-1400 stamina/magicka recovery, you WILL run out of resources in half a minute. You need 2300 at least to be able to keep spamming medium-cost skills, and builds with 2300 use drinks and recovery set bonuses and have no damage.

Truewavesound

Cody wrote: »

vet server PvP is a joke. do not waste your time with it. Its nothing but people taking advantage of infinite resource mechanics

Lol at "Infinite resource" builds being the problem on vet pvp. When was the last time you played a vet server?!