Where's Akavir?

MisterIdentical

Well, I'm pretty certain I'm addicted to ESO by this stage.

I was actually expecting it to suck based on the reviews. I'm kind of pissed off about that. The bad reviews I'm seeing are from two camps:

1. It's not like Skyrim
2. It's too much like WoW

I've also seen both. I mean, come on, Warcraft was a Real Time Strategy. When you go MMO you have to change things.

That being said, there are a couple of (minor) things that are bugging me.

The first one is that, yet again, we've dodged Akavir. I mean, I didn't come to ESO hoping to travel to Akavir but when you join Pact and get the backstory about how the Akaviri war ended just before the events of the game I thought "Crap! We missed yet another chance to see some Akaviri action!"

I mean, all that we've seen is that the Akaviri apparently have katanas and that the Blades have some kind of link to them. But when you get into the lore it's so cool. They have tiger people that may or may not be related to the Khajit, as well as a noble race of monkey people and vampiric snakes. This seems like some incredible potential but Bethesda (and ipso facto Zenimax) seem to be keen on playing the Akaviri as an intense game of plotline hopscotch.

I just REALLY want to see some of this stuff appear in the games ^_^

The second one is that there are some huge areas that aren't playable yet, if they ever will be. It seems like a pretty big flaw that the only playable Summerset Isle is not THE Summerset Isle. I can understand not having Black Marsh (Shadowfen isn't Black Marsh) since there are rumours that Bethesda is planning to have the next TES game set there but I'm kind of keen to explore the Reach.

Lastly, not a complaint, just a request; I'd really love to see a PvP Oblivion-style Arena. Just sayin'.

I'm just going to crawl back into the woodwork now.

CGPsaint

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MisterIdentical

Superfluous comment is superfluous

Mojmir

MisterIdentical wrote: »

Well, I'm pretty certain I'm addicted to ESO by this stage.

I was actually expecting it to suck based on the reviews. I'm kind of pissed off about that. The bad reviews I'm seeing are from two camps:

1. It's not like Skyrim
2. It's too much like WoW

I've also seen both. I mean, come on, Warcraft was a Real Time Strategy. When you go MMO you have to change things.

That being said, there are a couple of (minor) things that are bugging me.

The first one is that, yet again, we've dodged Akavir. I mean, I didn't come to ESO hoping to travel to Akavir but when you join Pact and get the backstory about how the Akaviri war ended just before the events of the game I thought "Crap! We missed yet another chance to see some Akaviri action!"

I mean, all that we've seen is that the Akaviri apparently have katanas and that the Blades have some kind of link to them. But when you get into the lore it's so cool. They have tiger people that may or may not be related to the Khajit, as well as a noble race of monkey people and vampiric snakes. This seems like some incredible potential but Bethesda (and ipso facto Zenimax) seem to be keen on playing the Akaviri as an intense game of plotline hopscotch.

I just REALLY want to see some of this stuff appear in the games ^_^

The second one is that there are some huge areas that aren't playable yet, if they ever will be. It seems like a pretty big flaw that the only playable Summerset Isle is not THE Summerset Isle. I can understand not having Black Marsh (Shadowfen isn't Black Marsh) since there are rumours that Bethesda is planning to have the next TES game set there but I'm kind of keen to explore the Reach.

Lastly, not a complaint, just a request; I'd really love to see a PvP Oblivion-style Arena. Just sayin'.

I'm just going to crawl back into the woodwork now.

bring forth the forsworn and there scantily clad woman. And I do love me some briar hearts

Morimizo

I also would love to see Akavir, or Atmora, or even Pyandonea.

Might be a good idea to change your title to "Where's Akavir?" or something, this is certainly a worthwhile subject to discuss.

MisterIdentical

Mojmir wrote: »

bring forth the forsworn and there scantily clad woman. And I do love me some briar hearts

Aww man, I'd so become a briarheart if bethesda/zenimax ever added that.

MisterIdentical

Morimizo wrote: »

I also would love to see Akavir, or Atmora, or even Pyandonea.

Might be a good idea to change your title to "Where's Akavir?" or something, this is certainly a worthwhile subject to discuss.

Point taken

starkerealm

MisterIdentical wrote: »

Superfluous comment is superfluous

Wet Argonian is unnerving.

MisterIdentical wrote: »

The first one is that, yet again, we've dodged Akavir.

At this point, it's turning into a kind of side gag. Like M'aiq, sweetrolls, and Sheogorath's membership in the Tamerilic Dairy Products' Association PR board.

MisterIdentical wrote: »

I mean, all that we've seen is that the Akaviri apparently have katanas and that the Blades have some kind of link to them.

The Blades won't actually be a thing for another 400 years or so. That said, the Dragon Knights are supposed to be another Akaviri warrior tradition that spread across Tamriel, before dying out like the fad it was.

MisterIdentical wrote: »

...and vampiric snakes.

...those guys might actually be in the game. I mean, Harvesters are probably just Daedra. But, I've got the weird suspicion they're actually vampires. Especially given that they're scattered all over The Orchard.

MisterIdentical wrote: »

The second one is that there are some huge areas that aren't playable yet, if they ever will be.

There's a lot of land to explore. Long term, we will be getting more zones. Places like Skingrad already exist in the game assets at a very primitive level. So, we will probably be seeing the Gold Coast and Colovia someday. To some extent, give it time. This is probably the most content rich Elder Scrolls title out there. And, we can explore more of the continent in this game than any prior title (ignoring Arena). That said, it will still take years to fill in even most of the map.

Places like The Reach, or Vvardenfell will probably come. But it could be a long wait.

MisterIdentical wrote: »

Lastly, not a complaint, just a request; I'd really love to see a PvP Oblivion-style Arena. Just sayin'.

There was some discussion about more small scale PvP back when Craglorn was launching. I'm guessing that they still have something in mind for that.

Robo_Hobo

Shadowfen is a part of Black Marsh, the outskirts of it to be sure, but is a part of it. If you look on the maps, Stormhold (a city in Shadowfen) is in the northwest part closest to Morrowind, so anything further south than that would also be Black Marsh.

I wonder if a future Elder Scrolls game will take place in Akavir, playing as the Nerevarine again since there's rumours from citizens during the Oblivon Crisis that he/she left Morrowind to an expedition to Akavir and hasn't been heard from since. Not even by the time the Dragons return.

Or if not, if we'll at least hear of how that expedition went...

But then, if it didn't go well, maybe we'd not be able to hear about it.

Maybe they just needed to ambiguously make him/her disappear since they don't age. Either way, it would be interesting.

Though I think I'd still prefer seeing the rest of Tamriel first, or at least most of the rest.

TheShadowScout

MisterIdentical wrote: »

The first one is that, yet again, we've dodged Akavir.

For now... if ESO prospers, someday there likely will be a nifty Akavir-themed DLC. There are some hints here and there... how the invasion came in search for some artifact they obviously never found... easy to imagine that someday they might be a follow up on that. Though they have lots of stuff "closer to home" to do before that I reckon...

MisterIdentical wrote: »

The second one is that there are some huge areas that aren't playable yet, if they ever will be. It seems like a pretty big flaw that the only playable Summerset Isle is not THE Summerset Isle. I can understand not having Black Marsh (Shadowfen isn't Black Marsh) since there are rumours that Bethesda is planning to have the next TES game set there but I'm kind of keen to explore the Reach.

That I expect will be the stuff "closer to home" they will spend their development resources on over the next couple of years. Wrothgar/Orsinium is coming, Murkmire will being another piece of black marshyness. There are many more places they likely will add sooner or later, from Vvardenfell to southern Hammerfell, from Sumerset Isle proper to the Colovian highlands and Gold Coast, from eastern Elsweyr to the Reach, from the Nibenay basin to Solstheim...

And once they have filled in all of the world map... they can pay attention to "lost" places, like the frozen remains of Altmora, or whatever might remain unsunken of Youkuda, or visit the Maormer and wherever they build their ships while looking for the remains of Aldmeris... and yes, revisit the Akaviri too, one way or another.

And then... there are many more daedric planes then just coldharbour. It has been hinted after Molag Bal got kicked in his ba... uhm... buttocks, there might be other daedric princes waiting in line ready to take their tuen at the "mess with nirn" game. Mephalas realm is announced, but more might come in due time as well.

MisterIdentical wrote: »

Lastly, not a complaint, just a request; I'd really love to see a PvP Oblivion-style Arena.

Many people want this. And duelling. We'll see how long until it comes... if they add the gold coast, Kvatch might make a good place to plop down an PvP arena for gladiatorial games... just sayin...

starkerealm wrote: »

...those guys might actually be in the game. I mean, Harvesters are probably just Daedra. But, I've got the weird suspicion they're actually vampires. Especially given that they're scattered all over The Orchard.

Well, they certainly are daedra, and they certainly are vampiric in some way -smashes another harvest orb-.
I personally always considered the harvesters daedra molded after vampiric snake people just like dremora are daedra molded after humanoids. Might be the vampiric snake people the harvesters presumable are molded after are -just- the ones busy doing... whatever vampiric snake people do over in the akaviri lands

starkerealm wrote: »

There's a lot of land to explore. Long term, we will be getting more zones. Places like Skingrad already exist in the game assets at a very primitive level. So, we will probably be seeing the Gold Coast and Colovia someday. To some extent, give it time. This is probably the most content rich Elder Scrolls title out there. And, we can explore more of the continent in this game than any prior title (ignoring Arena). That said, it will still take years to fill in even most of the map.
Places like The Reach, or Vvardenfell will probably come. But it could be a long wait.

^This!^

Be patient, and support ESO by putting your money where your gaming is. As long as the suits don't shut down the servers for lack of profit, all of the above will someday come to ESO. Might be a long wait, but they will do some of it whenever they run out of other ideas.

Akavir_Sentinel

Where is Akavir? Well, I'm currently at work...

Uriel_Nocturne

As Zeni adds more areas to explore, I'd love to see the Second Era Vvardenfell areas. Some other Dunmer cities on the mainland like Blacklight, Sotha Sil's Clockwork City, etc.

*Disclaimer: I have a very strong bias towards the Dunmer.*

But also more to deal with Elsweyr. My wife loves her Khajiit. Her kitty and mine are married in the game, but she's really, really itching to see more of her character's homeland. With the Lore that surrounds Elsweyr, there's really some amazing geography that could be explored that would also make for some amazing Questing by fleshing out more of both Morrowind and Elsweyr.

And frankly, I'd love to see more of the Altmeri Archipelago than just Auridon. Again, from the Lore throughout the single player franchise, there's some really amazing stuff on the island of Summerset.

Really, there's so much that they can add in terms of explorable area... I get excited just dreaming about it.

---

Zenimax, it's time for us to have a very serious conversation.

If you can add all of these additional areas, I will probably literally throw money at my TV screen for you to catch...

Just a thought for your development teams to dwell on.

starkerealm

TheShadowScout wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

...those guys might actually be in the game. I mean, Harvesters are probably just Daedra. But, I've got the weird suspicion they're actually vampires. Especially given that they're scattered all over The Orchard.

Well, they certainly are daedra, and they certainly are vampiric in some way -smashes another harvest orb-.
I personally always considered the harvesters daedra molded after vampiric snake people just like dremora are daedra molded after humanoids. Might be the vampiric snake people the harvesters presumable are molded after are -just- the ones busy doing... whatever vampiric snake people do over in the akaviri lands

It's possible. But, at the same time, the game doesn't really give us the tools to distinguish between Undead and Daedra.

Is it undead or a Daedra? Yeah. Which one? *shrugs*

Vampires are servants of Molag Bal, normally.

These things are vampires of some sort.

Are they daedra? I'm not completely convinced. It's the most likely answer. But it's also quite possible that those are actual Tsaesci.

21jws10

Tamriel Unlimited

Lenikus

21jws10 wrote: »

Tamriel Unlimited

Meanie.

But yea, as far as other zones go, they are almost certainly coming, as DLC. ( not many islands/other continents tho', aside from Summerset, so no Atmora, no Aldmeris, and no Akavir ^^)
Because I'd pay (lots) to see the Forsworn of the Reach and their.... armor... And maybe more of Black Marsh (not much more, because you know, deadly illness-filled jungle-forest-thing and all that, but yea, moar swamps.)
Also, i'd liek to visit all of Elseweyr. Pls.

Volkodav

I'd pay to have Balmora,Seyda Neen,Vivec,Caldera,and all the rest of Vvardenfell put into the game.If I had to level to vet levels to get there,I would just for that reason.

Uriel_Nocturne

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd pay to have Balmora,Seyda Neen,Vivec,Caldera,and all the rest of Vvardenfell put into the game.If I had to level to vet levels to get there,I would just for that reason.

This. All of this.

Hell, I'd grind three or four more characters to Vet ranks just to see it... and throw money at them.

Loves me my Dunmer.

I might experiment/toy with Khajiit and Altmer, but my Main will always be Dunmer. I simply cannot get enough of Morrowind. I love everything about it. XD

TheShadowScout

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd pay to have Balmora,Seyda Neen,Vivec,Caldera,and all the rest of Vvardenfell put into the game.If I had to level to vet levels to get there,I would just for that reason.

Yes! YES! YEEESSS!!!

I'd sooo want to see Vvardenfell, see how much its different from what I remember playing through TES:Morrowind... if there's a better way to visit the ashlands, or if you still have to swim around that rockface... if Vivecs palace it as grand, or only half built... etc. Maybe even take peek beyond the ghostfence, at this time period Dargoth Ur would still be weak and pretending to be dead I expect...
Ah, someday... I will be looking forward to it, very much so.

crashen17b14_ESO

Lenikus wrote: »

21jws10 wrote: »

Tamriel Unlimited

Meanie.

But yea, as far as other zones go, they are almost certainly coming, as DLC. ( not many islands/other continents tho', aside from Summerset, so no Atmora, no Aldmeris, and no Akavir ^^)
Because I'd pay (lots) to see the Forsworn of the Reach and their.... armor... And maybe more of Black Marsh (not much more, because you know, deadly illness-filled jungle-forest-thing and all that, but yea, moar swamps.)
Also, i'd liek to visit all of Elseweyr. Pls.

The Forsworn don't exist yet, and won't until Tiber Septim walks Nirn. The Forsworn is just a faction of the greater race/pupulation Reachmen. Who are in turn a sort of subset of Breton/Nord/Nede lineage. The Reachman naming scheme/culture seems based off a heavily stylized Gaelic inspiration, hence names like Faolan, Madanach and Faolchu, as well as their division into numerous clans, and even The Reach itself seems inspired by regions of Ireland and Scotland.

As for actually exploring The Reach, I would love that so hard. I always found their culture/history incredibly interesting and mysterious. I get the impression that they are sort of like the human version of Dunmer, in that they have a daedric pantheon rather than aedric. Obviously the various clans worship the more hostile Daedric princes, like Molag Bal and Namira, but also Hircine seems highly prevalent across their clans. Always felt like the werewolf questline in Skyrim should have been tied to the Forsworn rather than the Companions.

AngryNord

No-one from Tamriel has visited Akavir in the era ESO is set, the only time the Empire went to Akavir was under Uriel Septim V, in the third era, several hundred years after the events of ESO.

AngryNord

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd pay to have Balmora,Seyda Neen,Vivec,Caldera,and all the rest of Vvardenfell put into the game.If I had to level to vet levels to get there,I would just for that reason.

Caldera is an Imperial city, and definately should NOT be in ESO, as it was founded only after the Empire allowed settlement on Vvardenfell. Same with Seyda Neen IIRC.

dodgehopper_ESO

I would love the future game to be set in Black Marsh!!! I expect I'll be happy with whatever Todd Howard and his team come up with though.

With regard to the main topic of the Akaviri, I'm in completely agreement. I actually made a khajiit character with a more Asian sounding name to represent perhaps a halfbreed Khajiit-Ka'po'tun character. He looks like a tiger. I am like you hopeful that we'll see a Tsaesci, or a human Akaviri since some of those people should still be around on Tamriel.

starkerealm

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd pay to have Balmora,Seyda Neen,Vivec,Caldera,and all the rest of Vvardenfell put into the game.If I had to level to vet levels to get there,I would just for that reason.

I'd agree. But you've got to know, Seyda Neen and Caldera don't exist yet.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

maybe, possibly, well maybe not on Akavir. We do know its on Nirn but no H1B visas to go there

MisterIdentical

I don't really expect to have Akavir explorable, but I'd love to see a remnant of that army.

Also 9000+ yes for the Vvardenfell. Hell, even if it's not settled like it was in Morrowind (I also have a dunmer bias :P) I'd love to have more to do with the Ashlanders.

Gidorick

You might be interested in checking out my gibberish @MisterIdentical
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149340/hopefully-someday-we-will-travel-all-of-nirn/p1

I to tend to want to see all of Nirn... NAOW! Lol. I think most of us who are on the forums really want ESO to succeed. There is just so much POTENTIAL here it makes my mind reel. I can't wait for what the coming years brings!

WhiteCoatSyndrome

+1 to more Akavir. I want to at least run into some PEOPLE from there--we know there were enough survivors of the Kamal invasion to have a coup after ESO, where are they all now?

But while I'm wishing, I'd also like to visit Pyandonea and invade Thras. And see Crystal-Like-Law, since we're never likely to see it in the mainstream games unless those go back in time.

dodgehopper_ESO

Another area I'd love to see is the Eastern Telvanni Islands along with Vvardenfell, perhaps more so since at least the Eastern Telvanni Islands would be inhabited whereas Vvardenfell would be mostly a no man's land of ashlanders and a few Temple related bits and bobs.

Volkodav

I know that Caldera and Seyda Neen dont exist yet.I am speaking of adding them in the future sometime.If there is armor,clothing ,tc that isnt very lore friendly in the crown store already,why not all of Vvardenfell.Those who are strict about Lore wouldnt have to purchase the DLC in the crown store.If one doesnt like something simply ignore it.Dont squish other people's wants.They are as valid as yours. Just sayin,..:}

MisterIdentical

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I would love the future game to be set in Black Marsh!!! I expect I'll be happy with whatever Todd Howard and his team come up with though.

With regard to the main topic of the Akaviri, I'm in completely agreement. I actually made a khajiit character with a more Asian sounding name to represent perhaps a halfbreed Khajiit-Ka'po'tun character. He looks like a tiger. I am like you hopeful that we'll see a Tsaesci, or a human Akaviri since some of those people should still be around on Tamriel.

I've been thinking about this since I read it. In Arena the Khajiit were humanoids. Now we call this subset of Khajiit Ohmes-Khajiit, and they're basically indistinguishable from Mer, though a little more feline in their features.

I really REALLY want to see these guys, because they apparently retreated to Elsweyr sometime in the 3E and post Arena the Khajiit we see are all Suthay-Raaht.

These Ohmes-Khajiit should be abroad during the events of ESO, right?

Also, fun fact, the Senche we're all riding around are actually another breed of Khajiit. Apparently the human-ness of them depends on the phase of the moon they are born under (hence the Khajiit obsession with the moon and the reason the lore-following ESO players are groaning about Orcs and Altmer riding senche lions lol)

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Another area I'd love to see is the Eastern Telvanni Islands along with Vvardenfell, perhaps more so since at least the Eastern Telvanni Islands would be inhabited whereas Vvardenfell would be mostly a no man's land of ashlanders and a few Temple related bits and bobs.

Yeah! We don't see enough Telvanni. I want to see those awesome mushroom houses.

AngryNord

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

I know that Caldera and Seyda Neen dont exist yet.I am speaking of adding them in the future sometime.If there is armor,clothing ,tc that isnt very lore friendly in the crown store already,why not all of Vvardenfell.Those who are strict about Lore wouldnt have to purchase the DLC in the crown store.If one doesnt like something simply ignore it.Dont squish other people's wants.They are as valid as yours. Just sayin,..:}

Do not exist yet as in do not exist in the ESO timeline. The cities weren't founded until the third era.