Magicka Templar Survivability

Rjthakid

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

Mr_Nobody

You can use mist form and be useless in the mean-time while every other class can do something about it. But hey, as zos has said, you dont need any damage mitigation or escapes - you can heal through everything. Lol.

MrGrimey

You can heal... That's a great survivability tool

danno8

Rjthakid wrote: »

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

A Templar blocking build is very survivable. I used it to solo all of Craglorn with the exception of one upper Craglorn Delve (with the 3 Lamae that just keep healing) and Shadas Tear.

edit:I'm assuming you mean for PvE based on the section you posted.

edit 2 : except also the quests that physically require 4 people in Craglorn

13igTyme

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

You can use mist form and be useless in the mean-time while every other class can do something about it. But hey, as zos has said, you dont need any damage mitigation or escapes - you can heal through everything. Lol.

Pretty sure DKs have the same issue. Mist form or die.

BackFreckle

Healing ward isn't okay, it's the best shield in the game. Which is why everyone complains about shield stackers. Blazing isn't that great but a 4000ish shield better than nothing I guess. And yea harness magika is great for spells but otherwise useless.

Your best bet is either mist form or BoL. I prefer mist because you can evade better. (Obviously you can do both or none or whatever build you want, it's all preference)

Rjthakid

MrGrimey wrote: »

You can heal... That's a great survivability tool

Not in the middle of a PVP fight while someone is going through their rotation on you.

Rjthakid

danno8 wrote: »

Rjthakid wrote: »

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

A Templar blocking build is very survivable. I used it to solo all of Craglorn with the exception of one upper Craglorn Delve (with the 3 Lamae that just keep healing) and Shadas Tear.

edit:I'm assuming you mean for PvE based on the section you posted.

edit 2 : except also the quests that physically require 4 people in Craglorn

I should've specified PVP. PVE is just Blazing Shield and Puncturing Sweep.

Rjthakid

BackFreckle wrote: »

Healing ward isn't okay, it's the best shield in the game. Which is why everyone complains about shield stackers. Blazing isn't that great but a 4000ish shield better than nothing I guess. And yea harness magika is great for spells but otherwise useless.

Your best bet is either mist form or BoL. I prefer mist because you can evade better. (Obviously you can do both or none or whatever build you want, it's all preference)

No, Healing Ward isn't as good as Hardened Ward. It's great when you're at low health. That's it. It only lasts about 6 sec and you must equip a Healing Staff.

Sandshark95

My Templar Healer has few problems in the survivability department, even while wearing mostly light armor and swinging at things close-range with a 2Hander.

Breath of Life = godly "Oh (Bleep)" button

Puncturing Sweeps spam = Immortality

Edit: Just noticed you meant for PvP. That's understandably a little trickier. As already mentioned by other posters, Mist Form and Healing Ward are options, though perhaps not amazing ones.

FriedEggSandwich

Rjthakid wrote: »

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

You mentioned you have Healing Ward and Harness Magicka, and then said sorcs have great damage mitigation. Well the only thing they have that you don't is a 12k Hardened Ward. Unless I'm missing something the difference between magicka templar and magika sorc damage mitigation is that the sorc has Hardened Ward whereas the templar has BoL (which I'm pretty sure can heal for 10k if not more). Blazing shield needs a buff though I'll give you that. Sorcs survivability is also linked to their mobility. Maybe Blazing Shield could have a speed buff added to it or something.

Rjthakid

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Rjthakid wrote: »

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

You mentioned you have Healing Ward and Harness Magicka, and then said sorcs have great damage mitigation. Well the only thing they have that you don't is a 12k Hardened Ward. Unless I'm missing something the difference between magicka templar and magika sorc damage mitigation is that the sorc has Hardened Ward whereas the templar has BoL (which I'm pretty sure can heal for 10k if not more). Blazing shield needs a buff though I'll give you that. Sorcs survivability is also linked to their mobility. Maybe Blazing Shield could have a speed buff added to it or something.

You said the "only thing" they have that I don't is a 12k shield...as if a 12k shield isn't a gamechanger.

FriedEggSandwich

Rjthakid wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Rjthakid wrote: »

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

You mentioned you have Healing Ward and Harness Magicka, and then said sorcs have great damage mitigation. Well the only thing they have that you don't is a 12k Hardened Ward. Unless I'm missing something the difference between magicka templar and magika sorc damage mitigation is that the sorc has Hardened Ward whereas the templar has BoL (which I'm pretty sure can heal for 10k if not more). Blazing shield needs a buff though I'll give you that. Sorcs survivability is also linked to their mobility. Maybe Blazing Shield could have a speed buff added to it or something.

You said the "only thing" they have that I don't is a 12k shield...as if a 12k shield isn't a gamechanger.

The point I was trying to make is that you have a 10k insta-heal instead of a 12k ward. The ward is better I agree. I think that templars are missing mobility rather than damage mitigation though. As others have said; mist-form would help you with damage mitigation and mobility. Also I think you underestimate Healing Ward. As long as you save it for when you're very low hp it's the best "oh snip"-button in the game, and can heal you for up to 16k.

Rjthakid

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Rjthakid wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Rjthakid wrote: »

Speaking to the Magicka Templars out there.

Blazing Shield is based off max HP, which won't be particularly high on a Magicka Templar. Healing Ward/Ward Ally is okay, not great. That leaves me with Harness Magicka, which is great but only mitigates spell damage.

Sorcs and Dragonknights have great damage mitigation and Nightblades can vanish into thin air. What about Magicka Templars?

If there are any Magicka Templars out there that are very survivable, what are you doing that I'm not?

You mentioned you have Healing Ward and Harness Magicka, and then said sorcs have great damage mitigation. Well the only thing they have that you don't is a 12k Hardened Ward. Unless I'm missing something the difference between magicka templar and magika sorc damage mitigation is that the sorc has Hardened Ward whereas the templar has BoL (which I'm pretty sure can heal for 10k if not more). Blazing shield needs a buff though I'll give you that. Sorcs survivability is also linked to their mobility. Maybe Blazing Shield could have a speed buff added to it or something.

You said the "only thing" they have that I don't is a 12k shield...as if a 12k shield isn't a gamechanger.

The point I was trying to make is that you have a 10k insta-heal instead of a 12k ward. The ward is better I agree. I think that templars are missing mobility rather than damage mitigation though. As others have said; mist-form would help you with damage mitigation and mobility. Also I think you underestimate Healing Ward. As long as you save it for when you're very low hp it's the best "oh snip"-button in the game, and can heal you for up to 16k.

As soon as I see someone go into Mist form I think "oh look, he's a Vampire"....then obliterate him with Dawnbreaker. lol. That's why I cured my Vampirism.

I agree, Healing Ward is really quite good when you're low on health. I think I just need to find an alternative to big shields because, quite frankly, if Templars had a shield anywhere near as good as Hardened Ward, along with their heals, they'd be OP.

I just need to deal better. I guess that's the only solution.

earth_angel

10k heals from BoL in cyrodil ? Not with the healing debuff. My healer can get up to 20k+ in PvE on crits. i don't get 12k + in pvp (more something like 9k on crits and 6k non crits, because different gear with more sustain and less burst ; also i have less crits)

And it would be pointless anyway since BoL has a 0.5 second delay so it can not do anything against a well executed burst attack combo that does 20k in less than 0.5 second. Hardened ward on the other might save your Life. Actually i feel puncturing sweep is a better tool for healing than BoL. And healing ward is even better (its healing is almost twice as strong as BoL)

Bol is a reactive tool, while hardened ward is an active one. the initiative opportunity given by hardened ward is a pretty huge advantage in 2.0.

Francescolg

Hello Rjthakid,
for PvP I'd focus on HP > magicka regen > spell dmg&magicka. If you use your heals correctly and focus to get 2k+ regeneration, you'll still be able to spam heals nonetheless. You need that much HP to survive one attacking sniper, otherwise you are "free fast food" for every stamina user (bow&2h attacks).
With the restoration field you get another 120*4, so 480 magicka regen (every 2 sec).
You can achieve this by the classic Seducer+Warlock combo, or, I prefer, Magnus + "of the healer" set. You boost your magicka regen by CP(15+%) by using PvP support skills (Barrier+Cleanse = 20% magicka regen) and Repentence (10%). Of course, get the atronach mundus stone (300 magicka regen) + 4x Divines (another 100 at the end). This way you get your sustainability.
You need ~27k+ HP for a "functioning" Blazing Shield, that is your "self heal" and you will have enough survivability. You'll have problems vs. 2 good stamina users but you'll survive. In hard moments spam heal + blazing shield + jump&run

If you're a good healer, you'll be able to use all +% healing synergies, to still get up to 12 k heals.
Survivability + Sustainability > Big Heals for 1.6. It is only another 2 weeks. In 1.7 heals will be nurfed again..^^

/edit if you still have problems, get the "whitestrake retribution" set in light armor, works good at keeping you alive for the first attack. Also use the medium armor shield for dodge + "being a little bit less well to see".

Francescolg

sorry double post

Sharee

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/207911/magicka-templar-pts-solo-pvp-imperial-city

earth_angel

Yep 2.1 will be nicer to solo magicka templar than the burst attack centric 1.6/2.0. Things can still change before it goes live. But this is promising.