Why does zos hate healers in pvp?

Supernovas

Can't there be a way for a healer be more viable in pvp, without having to have 2 or three other heals or a large group with you? And I don't want all the people to chime in who are just specked as a tank and using block exploit nirn exploit ,mundus exploit. I am talking about temp heals, with ward now being nerfed, our class is double nerfed. And the fact that all group pvp wants me at this point run a rez set to join them, is this what temp heals has been reduced to?
And respectfully, pls don't tell me to make a new class, or run with a large group, I am in dc and there isn't many large groups (unless u want to run a rez set)in large groups.
My main problem is stamina users stunning us , and if u don't have another healer on u, u are dead. Does anyone have any viable recommendations?
Thank you

Sausage

The idea is that everyone, move, blocks, dodge, and use potions, not the normal, healer heals and the rest stand still.

Kavatchian

My question. Do you have to be a Templar to have a good healer build? Can you run a Sorc, and use a Restoration Staff? Would that be as effective or no?

eliisra

Playing healer small scale on live you dont have many options.

Either stack shields and pretty much every defensive skill in the game, while using Mist Form to mitigate dmg or loose "aggro". Force the enemy, usually stamina NB always going for the healer with 10-20k attacks, to change target. You cancel Mist and keep healing the guy they just switched target to.

Second option is building yourself full tank + off heals. Get as much block cost reduction as humanly possible. You wont be as strong of a healer any more of course, but you wont explode in a couple of seconds to stamina users. You can still save allies, but not out-heal high dmg for very long.

If you want to run a more "normal" or fun build you need to be grouped with other healers, that can save your butt when you get jumped.

This is one of many reasons why large organized raids have a fuckton of healers (healing each other to infinity) while pugs + smaller groups have 0 healers.

Supernovas

Sausage wrote: »

The idea is that everyone, move, blocks, dodge, and use potions, not the normal, healer heals and the rest stand still.

Kavatchian wrote: »

My question. Do you have to be a Templar to have a good healer build? Can you run a Sorc, and use a Restoration Staff? Would that be as effective or no?

while i appreciate u response , let me clarify, i have only BOL and ward for heals, my spec is mostly def dps, with little bit heals. So i am not just standing anywhere to heal in pvp.
And to respond to kavatchian, i clear said, how can i make my temp class more viable as a healer, not to reommend me role another class.
I am really trying to stay positive, but in pvp with all the cheaters and hack lagers who get no punishment. And a class that only works in large groups, why would I want to keep playing this game? Currently, I want to cancel my sub,and I am having more fun playing diablo 3 then this game. Is that messed up, or what?

Robbmrp

Sausage wrote: »

The idea is that everyone, move, blocks, dodge, and use potions, not the normal, healer heals and the rest stand still.

A lot of the healing in PVP can be done with HoT's or Healing Springs. The only thing you would lack would be the large "oh crap!" healing spell Breath of Life. You could get by just fine as a non Templar healer in PVP.

Supernovas

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

The idea is that everyone, move, blocks, dodge, and use potions, not the normal, healer heals and the rest stand still.

A lot of the healing in PVP can be done with HoT's or Healing Springs. The only thing you would lack would be the large "oh crap!" healing spell Breath of Life. You could get by just fine as a non Templar healer in PVP.

Well I thankyou for answering my question, basically the answer is no.

Bromburak

Supernovas wrote: »

Can't there be a way for a healer be more viable in pvp, without having to have 2 or three other heals or a large group with you?

There is a way, but you don't really have a class choice.
Full heal Templar all the way.

Supernovas

Bromburak wrote: »

Supernovas wrote: »

Can't there be a way for a healer be more viable in pvp, without having to have 2 or three other heals or a large group with you?

There is a way, but you don't really have a class choice.
Full heal Templar all the way.

Oh? Please tell me how u are going up against the Meth group with the lag and they grey ur abiity bars out, or how ur living threw macro stealth focus aim shots? And able to heal a small group,with lets me nice and say its a even fight, when in reality it never is.

Xendyn

Damn, I thought this was going to be about the In-combat, can't mount, run-along-behind-everyone-forever bug.

Lord Xanhorn

I can tell you are frustrated and I am as well. But the idea in ESO has always been a trade off between offense and defense. If you want to bolster your defense and survivability, then your dps/heals will suffer. By being in all light armor and focus on maximum healing, you are essentially a glass healing cannon. Which is great when no one is on you and works well in PVE but in PVP when a few dps gang up on you, the glass shatters very quickly.

The exploiters, macroers, and the like is a completely different topic and comes with its own set of frustrations. Try not to mix the 2 up when complaining cause you'll get different answers to both complaints.

Robbmrp

Supernovas wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

The idea is that everyone, move, blocks, dodge, and use potions, not the normal, healer heals and the rest stand still.

A lot of the healing in PVP can be done with HoT's or Healing Springs. The only thing you would lack would be the large "oh crap!" healing spell Breath of Life. You could get by just fine as a non Templar healer in PVP.

Well I thankyou for answering my question, basically the answer is no.

I disagree with that. You could do it with just HoT's and Healing Springs. You would just have to be on top of healing a lot quicker with "preventative" casts. It could be done, and would be really challenging for sure.

Supernovas

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

I can tell you are frustrated and I am as well. But the idea in ESO has always been a trade off between offense and defense. If you want to bolster your defense and survivability, then your dps/heals will suffer. By being in all light armor and focus on maximum healing, you are essentially a glass healing cannon. Which is great when no one is on you and works well in PVE but in PVP when a few dps gang up on you, the glass shatters very quickly.

The exploiters, macroers, and the like is a completely different topic and comes with its own set of frustrations. Try not to mix the 2 up when complaining cause you'll get different answers to both complaints.

Yeah so true, I guess Iam just having a bad day, I need a hug and would love to enjoy my class again, and ps im 5 heavy, full 100 points in blessed, with seducer and heal set.In theory i should be tanky ,sweet heals, good execute, etc.
I added the lag issue on this as,to openly ask what everyone else is doing due to, the old question " If zos doeant do anthing about the people who deliberatly lag you, and the macro stealth one shot, (how do i set myself up to counteract this?)"
Thankyou for ur communication, I am not trying to complain but openly ask what you all who are still playing, what you are doing?

Bromburak

Supernovas wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Supernovas wrote: »

Can't there be a way for a healer be more viable in pvp, without having to have 2 or three other heals or a large group with you?

There is a way, but you don't really have a class choice.
Full heal Templar all the way.

Oh? Please tell me how u are going up against the Meth group with the lag and they grey ur abiity bars out, or how ur living threw macro stealth focus aim shots? And able to heal a small group,with lets me nice and say its a even fight, when in reality it never is.

Oh brilliant, now its the lag.
This has nohing to do with your question and lag has impact to everyone.

So whats the next excuse?

QuebraRegra

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

The idea is that everyone, move, blocks, dodge, and use potions, not the normal, healer heals and the rest stand still.

A lot of the healing in PVP can be done with HoT's or Healing Springs. The only thing you would lack would be the large "oh crap!" healing spell Breath of Life. You could get by just fine as a non Templar healer in PVP.

Healing Springs stacks, although it is still not an "oh-!@#&*^" button... I have kept a lot of group members alive during siege by being proactive with it. You will NEVER be able to out heal all the dmg, your group members will have to act defensively as well and not just stand there take it on the chin and expect to live.

For a MAGICKA NB, FUNNEL HEALTH and SOUL-TETHER round out your non-templar healing nicely.

Sallington

I am so confused as to what question OP is asking.

If you are full healing build, you shouldn't expect to kill anyone, and full healers are priceless in small and large group fights.

As far as being a dps/healer hybrid, Templars do that better than anyone. My magic templar is so much fun in PvP I almost can't stand it.

It sounds like you just need to get more experience in Cyrodil, learn better situational awareness, know when to retreat and when to attack, etc. There's no one "I win" build for any class.

SIXR_sCaR

when i'm in cyrodiil as Templar healer people be like:

Dahkoht

Xendyn wrote: »

Damn, I thought this was going to be about the In-combat, can't mount, run-along-behind-everyone-forever bug.

Good got this is terrible , get this all the time in Cyr on my templar.

Molag_Crow

I pillar/wall hug and kite as a healer, and main hand a 1H & Shield to block/reflect stun, and mist form to avoid most situations... it doesn't always work, but that's usually the best way.. to stay as far from the enemy as possible but close enough to heal your team members. :P Pop in and out from a random wall or stealth heal

jkemmery

Healers get massive AP for healing, but you do need to be part of a big group. As a healer you can be a huge benefit to a group!

corwinDA

It sounds more like you answered your own question to be honest. In PvP my templar only has the shards and solar flare for dps and the rest of my bar is healing effects and my other bar doesn't even have a dps ability on it except for structured intropy. Neither of my bars have ever had the ward on them in PvP since standing still makes you even easier bait for nb's and overloads. If your not going to invest yourself as an active healer then don't ask why Zos is taking away healer love, you honestly weren't a healer to begin with im sorry to say.

SeptimusDova

ZoS wants the Community to join a Templar PPO or HMO. As the other alternative is out of network (Cyrodiil Lag)

Takes-No-Prisoner

Not sure what to tell you OP. I run solo Temp healer on PvP (Azura's Star/ PS4/ NA) with a extremely aggro bar and I barely have issues with people stunning me due to my play style. I don't use S & B either. Destro/Resto.

BRogueNZ

Any group that's worth its salt will knock out the healer first, it part of 'joys' of being a healer and yep it will get you down at times when it seems your failing to keep your mates up but lets face it, sometimes you could have a handful of healers and still get wiped. Its just way the keep wall crumbles.

Also your group has to take some responsibility, if they don't understand your class strengths and weaknesses and expect miracle heals then, well, tough titty. It's not your fault. If they are encountering groups that keep wiping them then they need a bigger group and more heals.

CN_Daniel

For large group play the healers mostly need to be Templars for Breath of Life spamming. There are some classes that can throw a harder healing spring, but still, just because of Breath of Life -- Templar.

Your team is crazy if they won't let you DPS as a mana templar... The other morph of Dark Flare and shards are amazing abilities for group play.

traigusb14_ESO2

Even in bigger groups I tend to stick with 4-5 people.

I support them, and they mostly do the murdering, though I do knock people down a lot and/or snare them so my team can stab them ha ha ha.

One of the keys is not to heal right away (so you don't get a big "kill me i'm a healer mark on you.")

As a DK healer I lead in with a group wide rock shield buff (not as obvious as resto sheild) and/or a bone shield from unaunted.

That keeps people alive a bit at the start, and after the chaos begins, then I heal, and refresh shields while shooting people with other spells. I tend to use potions instead of resto magika regen, because reso staff damage glowie line is another good way to yell "kill me I'm a healer, yeah that guy on the Ghostbuster glowie line."


It is easier to stay low key as a non-resto templar. Again lead off with buffs, sheilds, or non-templar damage (non-resto, non-templar preferably... so you could just be anybody...) till things get crazy, then heal.

The less you "look" like a healer, especially at the start of a fight, the less likely you get priority targeted.