Female NPC's

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Why do all the female NPC's in the game have large breasts? Even Argonian females have them when they should not have any at all. I've been through Cadwell's Silver and Gold four times and have yet to see a female with small breasts. Seems the designer's have a fetish.

jkemmery

So you know they are female ...

Tommy_valkyria

Because more men play female characters than women. Men, being men, want them to be more.. satisfying to look at. My guess, anyways.

Edit:autocorrect

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Bosmer women are not all that buxom. Not most of them, at least. In any case, some are not. I think.

eNumbra

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

Because more men play female characters than women. Men, being men, want them to be more.. satisfying to look at. My guess, anyways.

NPCs, not PCs.

13igTyme

I've seen some with average breast, but even the small breast look large. When I make a female I give her a B or C cup no need for the huge ones. What I want to know is why some of the Bosmer women look so pretty but when I make a bosmer women they look different in game than in character creation. They end up looking to rough. It might be the lighting at the character select screen for AD. It's much brighter and even with toned down cheek bones and a max soft face, they still look boney and serious.

QueenCandy

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

Because more men play female characters than women. Men, being men, want them to be more.. satisfying to look at. My guess, anyways.

Edit:autocorrect

Looks like we got a time traveler from 1990 here. Are you actually saying with a straight face that more MALES play female characters than actual women? Wow.

I'm here to wake up the ignorant males who once again forget that tons of women DO play this game. I do not create male characters because I want to look at a "cute" male. Doesn't even occur to me. I'm a girl and I want to play as my gender. I know some females do want male characters so they don't get harassed in game or just as a preference

Please remember it's the 21st century. Please cure yourselves of EOMD, you know that dreaded internet disease where inexplicably males (and females) for no reason think that ONLY men play online and think MOSTLY men play. Don't embarrass yourselves.

Anyway, I don't want to see big breasted NPC'S. I really don't. I know some do but I would prefer SOME VARIETY please devs. I long for games where we don't have to see the same clichés where female characters are walking around looking like prostitutes with hardly anything on while males are always covered. Really??

pepperybrine

Yeah why have argonians brests? They are reptiles!

Roselle

I am a female and I believe all the female NPCs don't have big enough boobs.

QueenCandy

Roselle wrote: »

I am a female and I believe all the female NPCs don't have big enough boobs.

uh huh

Dekkameron

I made a bosmer once and in the character creation they looked all fine and dandy, smallish boobs, not overly skinny or some bizarre waist size, all in all a very normal well rounded looking person...

Then when i entered the world i immediately noticed that i had enourmous jugs!

I'm not entirely sure how that happened..

Tolmos

I never really noticed. I live in [snip], and most of the women I see in game are pretty average compared to the people who live here. /shrug

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Personal Information]

Banky71

I never noticed.

Eloka477

The character creator can be a little deceptive. I was trying to make my lady Breton look average medium build, while I got her hips/tummy right, and her breasts looked normal with no armour in the creator in game they looked massive, silly massive, so now I slide them down a little more. lol

I always make my khajiit and argonian women the smallest option because I believe it looks weird otherwise. I haven't noticed every lady npc's having massive breasts. I mostly play Aldmeri Dominion.

Toophat82

What i wanna know is since when is TES politically correct? Why npcs and quest givers are all the sudden overwhelmingly female i remember TES being a fantasy game inspired by medieval times its that kind of RPG and sometimes roles for men or women were more specific and what made sense in that age. TES both world and lore wise has never been a fair or Politically Correct world it is alot more medieval, dark, and gritty. In TESO it feels less like what described above and npcs and quest givers are overwhelmingly female now its like a 80% women to 20% men ratio its so obvious no matter if irs a mage, guard, fighter, fishermen, blacksmith, or whatever you name it will most likley be female..

Good example I was in betnikh not only were quest givers mostly female but then i noticed the guards genderwise the ratio was like 6 females to 1 male in some areas particularly in the area where the Orc chief is wtf have male orcs become endangered now. Funny part too only male guard i find in that area happens to stop me for a bounty and tells me he wishes he met me in different terms because im attractive lol wtf i mean *** since when is elder scrolls this politically correct lol. You can have diversity and be more gender neutral while still staying true to the lore and age game is suppose to represent.

In TESO it feels like someone decided to inject present day politics and views like political correctness into elder scrolls with result being it losing some of what made it interesting and men somehow becoming rare and second class all of the sudden.. All i know these kind of ratios arent gender neutral or realistic either in any sense and reason why people want real world politics to stay out of video games we play games to get away from all that bs and the fact is even in our real world this wouldn't be realistic it looks like some SJW pipe dream its not like your fairly representing all political views when you do this either so why bother stick to what worked.

Elder Scrolls is a fantasy game clearly inspired by and based on medeval times and experiencing, living through, and roleplaying in that age is part of the fun.. So Its ok to stay true and realistic to that age no need to inject present day political views into that game that will ruin that experience just stay true to the art that is elder scrolls this is part of why alot of fans can't wait for the next non mmo elder scrolls to release we want the elder scrolls we are use to and love not something different.

Integral1900

Well I'm a guy, happily married to a magnificent amazon that I first met when she was making the use of a 160 pound Glamorgan longbow look about as hard as opening an umbrella and is pretty much the reason all my characters are female nords because if I dial the height and curves to the max they remind me of her, plus she even sounds like titanborne from the game.

The only problem is physique wise eso doesn't allow for ladies as powerfuly built as my better half so I have to stick to certain gear types to create the illusion of a much bigger and stronger woman, for example, if you reduce the waist but increase the weight to 90 percent of max then use the mecinary chest and redguard legs in heavy with redguard light boots it creates an excellent silhouette.

MLGProPlayer

QueenCandy wrote: »

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

Because more men play female characters than women. Men, being men, want them to be more.. satisfying to look at. My guess, anyways.

Edit:autocorrect

Looks like we got a time traveler from 1990 here. Are you actually saying with a straight face that more MALES play female characters than actual women? Wow.

I'm here to wake up the ignorant males who once again forget that tons of women DO play this game. I do not create male characters because I want to look at a "cute" male. Doesn't even occur to me. I'm a girl and I want to play as my gender. I know some females do want male characters so they don't get harassed in game or just as a preference

Please remember it's the 21st century. Please cure yourselves of EOMD, you know that dreaded internet disease where inexplicably males (and females) for no reason think that ONLY men play online and think MOSTLY men play. Don't embarrass yourselves.

Anyway, I don't want to see big breasted NPC'S. I really don't. I know some do but I would prefer SOME VARIETY please devs. I long for games where we don't have to see the same clichés where female characters are walking around looking like prostitutes with hardly anything on while males are always covered. Really??

Men are a lot more insecure about their sexuality than women. A lot of insecure, straight men think it's "gay" to look at a male character's "ass" for hours.

We're changing, but this is still a common mentality.

Sasyk

Is this a troll thread? lol why do so many people get offended by big breasts but tiny breasts are okay? What is this nonsense? C'mon now...

MotokoKusanagi34

Sasyk wrote: »

Is this a troll thread? lol why do so many people get offended by big breasts but tiny breasts are okay? What is this nonsense? C'mon now...

You should try to read once in a while. People aren't offended by big breasts but rather by the lack of diversity, since when you go out in in real life and walk in the streets you don't see big boobs only. Crazy huh. So it's not unreasonable to ask for small boobs in game as well.

We have already thin, muscle packed and fat/chubby male characters for the most part so why not?

nimander99

Toophat82 wrote: »

What i wanna know is since when is TES politically correct? Why npcs and quest givers are all the sudden overwhelmingly female i remember TES being a fantasy game inspired by medieval times its that kind of RPG and sometimes roles for men or women were more specific and what made sense in that age. TES both world and lore wise has never been a fair or Politically Correct world it is alot more medieval, dark, and gritty. In TESO it feels less like what described above and npcs and quest givers are overwhelmingly female now its like a 80% women to 20% men ratio its so obvious no matter if irs a mage, guard, fighter, fishermen, blacksmith, or whatever you name it will most likley be female..

Good example I was in betnikh not only were quest givers mostly female but then i noticed the guards genderwise the ratio was like 6 females to 1 male in some areas particularly in the area where the Orc chief is wtf have male orcs become endangered now. Funny part too only male guard i find in that area happens to stop me for a bounty and tells me he wishes he met me in different terms because im attractive lol wtf i mean *** since when is elder scrolls this politically correct lol. You can have diversity and be more gender neutral while still staying true to the lore and age game is suppose to represent.

In TESO it feels like someone decided to inject present day politics and views like political correctness into elder scrolls with result being it losing some of what made it interesting and men somehow becoming rare and second class all of the sudden.. All i know these kind of ratios arent gender neutral or realistic either in any sense and reason why people want real world politics to stay out of video games we play games to get away from all that bs and the fact is even in our real world this wouldn't be realistic it looks like some SJW pipe dream its not like your fairly representing all political views when you do this either so why bother stick to what worked.

Elder Scrolls is a fantasy game clearly inspired by and based on medeval times and experiencing, living through, and roleplaying in that age is part of the fun.. So Its ok to stay true and realistic to that age no need to inject present day political views into that game that will ruin that experience just stay true to the art that is elder scrolls this is part of why alot of fans can't wait for the next non mmo elder scrolls to release we want the elder scrolls we are use to and love not something different.

Gamergate bruv. She whom shall not be named, but pretended to be a gamer (yet video of her stating she was never a gamer and just wanted to insert her narrative into the gaming field exists on youtube).

Politics of the outside world should never influence game studios or video games... Period. This is a fantasy world where we all come to ESCAPE reality. If we are seeing "politically correct" or "Current Year" stuff, its because the narrative is still leaking in.

All that being said, I have noticed some things that raise my hackles but for the most part the game is pretty true to the single player series (IMO), I think they've done a good job balancing the two messes they have to deal with as a gaming studio in today's "Everything is political" world that we seen to have arrived in.

ZeniMax has tossed a just enough of a bone to the "Narrative hunter's" to keep them from crashing through ZoS's front door's like a tidal wave of righteous indignation, and kept the core of the game complete and Elder Scrolls enough for a broad audience.

I guess what I'm saying is, I get where you are coming from, I completely understand. ZeniMax is just being a prudent business in the current market.

Calandrae

Toophat82 wrote: »

What i wanna know is since when is TES politically correct? Why npcs and quest givers are all the sudden overwhelmingly female i remember TES being a fantasy game inspired by medieval times its that kind of RPG and sometimes roles for men or women were more specific and what made sense in that age. TES both world and lore wise has never been a fair or Politically Correct world it is alot more medieval, dark, and gritty. In TESO it feels less like what described above and npcs and quest givers are overwhelmingly female now its like a 80% women to 20% men ratio its so obvious no matter if irs a mage, guard, fighter, fishermen, blacksmith, or whatever you name it will most likley be female..

Good example I was in betnikh not only were quest givers mostly female but then i noticed the guards genderwise the ratio was like 6 females to 1 male in some areas particularly in the area where the Orc chief is wtf have male orcs become endangered now. Funny part too only male guard i find in that area happens to stop me for a bounty and tells me he wishes he met me in different terms because im attractive lol wtf i mean *** since when is elder scrolls this politically correct lol. You can have diversity and be more gender neutral while still staying true to the lore and age game is suppose to represent.

In TESO it feels like someone decided to inject present day politics and views like political correctness into elder scrolls with result being it losing some of what made it interesting and men somehow becoming rare and second class all of the sudden.. All i know these kind of ratios arent gender neutral or realistic either in any sense and reason why people want real world politics to stay out of video games we play games to get away from all that bs and the fact is even in our real world this wouldn't be realistic it looks like some SJW pipe dream its not like your fairly representing all political views when you do this either so why bother stick to what worked.

Elder Scrolls is a fantasy game clearly inspired by and based on medeval times and experiencing, living through, and roleplaying in that age is part of the fun.. So Its ok to stay true and realistic to that age no need to inject present day political views into that game that will ruin that experience just stay true to the art that is elder scrolls this is part of why alot of fans can't wait for the next non mmo elder scrolls to release we want the elder scrolls we are use to and love not something different.

This simply isn't true. Have you played the previous Elder Scrolls titles? I have played them since Morrowind, and the ES world has never reflected European middle age societies when it comes to being misogynistic/patriarchal in nature. All the previous titles have also had active, important female NPCs in various roles. Nothing has changed in that sense.

To me it seems that you'd simply like to play a fantasy game where females would remain subordinate, "know their place" and the society would work on male terms. Elder Scrolls has never been that sort of game, and I am very thankful for that. But I am pretty sure that those kind of games and fantasy worlds exist and you could choose to play them.

On a more personal level, why do you even pay this much attention to the gender of some totally unimportant NPCs like generic guards? Or maybe you only notice the gender of these NPCs when they are not male?

Regarding the original subject of this thread: I haven't personally paid much attention to chest-size of NPCs. As long as the female characters (unless sex workers for example) don't walk around dressed in sexually provocative clothing, I don't care that much.

SydneyGrey

Toophat82 wrote: »

What i wanna know is since when is TES politically correct? Why npcs and quest givers are all the sudden overwhelmingly female i remember TES being a fantasy game inspired by medieval times its that kind of RPG and sometimes roles for men or women were more specific and what made sense in that age. TES both world and lore wise has never been a fair or Politically Correct world it is alot more medieval, dark, and gritty. In TESO it feels less like what described above and npcs and quest givers are overwhelmingly female now its like a 80% women to 20% men ratio its so obvious no matter if irs a mage, guard, fighter, fishermen, blacksmith, or whatever you name it will most likley be female..

Good example I was in betnikh not only were quest givers mostly female but then i noticed the guards genderwise the ratio was like 6 females to 1 male in some areas particularly in the area where the Orc chief is wtf have male orcs become endangered now. Funny part too only male guard i find in that area happens to stop me for a bounty and tells me he wishes he met me in different terms because im attractive lol wtf i mean *** since when is elder scrolls this politically correct lol. You can have diversity and be more gender neutral while still staying true to the lore and age game is suppose to represent.

In TESO it feels like someone decided to inject present day politics and views like political correctness into elder scrolls with result being it losing some of what made it interesting and men somehow becoming rare and second class all of the sudden.. All i know these kind of ratios arent gender neutral or realistic either in any sense and reason why people want real world politics to stay out of video games we play games to get away from all that bs and the fact is even in our real world this wouldn't be realistic it looks like some SJW pipe dream its not like your fairly representing all political views when you do this either so why bother stick to what worked.

Elder Scrolls is a fantasy game clearly inspired by and based on medeval times and experiencing, living through, and roleplaying in that age is part of the fun.. So Its ok to stay true and realistic to that age no need to inject present day political views into that game that will ruin that experience just stay true to the art that is elder scrolls this is part of why alot of fans can't wait for the next non mmo elder scrolls to release we want the elder scrolls we are use to and love not something different.

Your claim of NPCs being 80% female is exaggerated. It's higher than what you're used to, but it's not 80%.
All I can tell you is that as a woman, it's nice to see female ship captains and female guards in a game. If you don't like it, there are other games you can play.
Play Gothic. In that game there are disproportionally more male NPCs, and your character can only be male. You'd love it.

ArchMikem

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Why do all the female NPC's in the game have large breasts? Even Argonian females have them when they should not have any at all.

Every female Argonian NPC I've seen barely has any breasts to speak of, much less large ones.

Browiseth

they don't though

i think you're just looking for reasons to elevate yourself through the whole "everyone's a pervert but me" angle

Akevoriath

This is such a useless thing to get mad about, if you don't like the way something looks, just don't look at it? it's not affecting you at all. Contrary to popular belief, we men (most of us) don't see a woman with a perfect body in a game and expect all women in real life to have perfect bodies too, it's nice to look at an NPC that looks nice, but that's really it. We don't complain / care when there are so many male characters in game who are always muscled / fit, why would we? what is the point of worrying about that and why would it have any negative effect on us at all in anyway? these things are just silly to worry about. if you don't like seeing stuff that isn't realistic, maybe you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game.

ArchMikem

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Men are a lot more insecure about their sexuality than women. A lot of insecure, straight men think it's "gay" to look at a male character's "ass" for hours.

We're changing, but this is still a common mentality.

It depends with me though. In Elder Scrolls games, I'm always making Female Characters, cause yeah, in fact I do much enjoy looking at the female form if I'm going to look at it for hundreds of hours.

However,

Mass Effect? They've all been Male Shepards. Tried FemShep once, didn't tick, went back to MaleShep. Andromeda released? I chose MaleRyder. In that kind of game, which you also spend ungodly number of hours playing, it feels weird for me to not play the guy, however in Elder Scrolls every single one of my characters are Women. Perhaps it's due to the absence of a predetermined Personality for the Protagonist. It's a blank slate and save for a simple backstory, your character is whatever you choose to be, not what the game tells you it is. That's I think is mostly why I make Females, cause I love imagining and creating Female characters. But with a game like Mass Effect where you have fully voiced MCs with premade histories and a more or less pre-written story that you just follow along with, I choose the guy, cause given what I have to go with, and I can't change it, he just fits better.

max_only

But I thought only the chief orc was allowed to have multiple wives.... so why is it strange that orcs have more female npcs? There is no such thing as a forge-husband. Only titles like forge-wife, hunt-wife, etc., exist.

Anyway, npcs that flirt with you flirt with all player characters, they aren't going to code the gender based passive from Fallout into a multiplayer game. Pfft npcs can't even tell if you're a vamp or werewolf the majority of the time.

calm down people. Who cares if the quest giver is male or female or an undetermined monster race with only one type of model (lamias and giants). Wether you save the princess in the castle because she told you in a dream or an old man told you in a cave, the result is the same : you acquire the Master Sword.

This is a game made by people in the current era and they are guided under a unified vision. If there are gay characters, or characters that take drugs to become khajiits, or pansexual hemaphrodite gods (Vivec), or undead werewolves (how does that even work?) it represents the creator's vision. If you don't like that these characters exist then go play another game.

Lol if this is the only critique you have of the game then you must not realize how unbalanced and buggy it can become. (So I'm assuming you are all Sorcerers ;p )

rhapsodious

Toophat82 wrote: »

What i wanna know is since when is TES politically correct? Why npcs and quest givers are all the sudden overwhelmingly female i remember TES being a fantasy game inspired by medieval times its that kind of RPG and sometimes roles for men or women were more specific and what made sense in that age. TES both world and lore wise has never been a fair or Politically Correct world it is alot more medieval, dark, and gritty. In TESO it feels less like what described above and npcs and quest givers are overwhelmingly female now its like a 80% women to 20% men ratio its so obvious no matter if irs a mage, guard, fighter, fishermen, blacksmith, or whatever you name it will most likley be female..

Yeeeeeah I'm gonna have to see a source on that. As far as I remember, they're roughly equal. And TES has never been a faithful representation of medieval times, although Breton, and to a lesser extent Imperial and Nord, cultures are clearly inspired by them.

Good example I was in betnikh not only were quest givers mostly female but then i noticed the guards genderwise the ratio was like 6 females to 1 male in some areas particularly in the area where the Orc chief is wtf have male orcs become endangered now. Funny part too only male guard i find in that area happens to stop me for a bounty and tells me he wishes he met me in different terms because im attractive lol wtf i mean *** since when is elder scrolls this politically correct lol. You can have diversity and be more gender neutral while still staying true to the lore and age game is suppose to represent.

Orcish women do most of the work in Orcish society, and the men take a more passive, but patriarchal role. Think of a pride of lions. L2lore :P

In TESO it feels like someone decided to inject present day politics and views like political correctness into elder scrolls with result being it losing some of what made it interesting and men somehow becoming rare and second class all of the sudden.. All i know these kind of ratios arent gender neutral or realistic either in any sense and reason why people want real world politics to stay out of video games we play games to get away from all that bs and the fact is even in our real world this wouldn't be realistic it looks like some SJW pipe dream its not like your fairly representing all political views when you do this either so why bother stick to what worked.

Elder Scrolls is a fantasy game clearly inspired by and based on medeval times and experiencing, living through, and roleplaying in that age is part of the fun.. So Its ok to stay true and realistic to that age no need to inject present day political views into that game that will ruin that experience just stay true to the art that is elder scrolls this is part of why alot of fans can't wait for the next non mmo elder scrolls to release we want the elder scrolls we are use to and love not something different.

The Elder Scrolls has never been a direct parallel to medieval fantasy. Sure, it takes some inspiration from it, but it's far from a faithful recreation. As a gay woman, I happen to like the no-frills LGBT and female representation in the game; it's not presented as something unique and applause-worthy. Just, "oh, my wife said I can't do this, bummer" from a female NPC. It means a lot, even if it doesn't look like much. It's reeeeally not as in-your-face as you claim. There was just never a stigma against it in-universe, so people are more likely to volunteer the information flippantly. There's plenty of straight romantic content/people and men in power, trust me.

e: accidental 4am ferengi

Calandrae

It also never ceases to baffle me when people talk about "realism" in a fantasy setting. I guess dragons, magic, enchanted items, undead creatures like vampires and so on seem more realistic to some than gender equality.

Tasear

Toophat82 wrote: »

What i wanna know is since when is TES politically correct? Why npcs and quest givers are all the sudden overwhelmingly female i remember TES being a fantasy game inspired by medieval times its that kind of RPG and sometimes roles for men or women were more specific and what made sense in that age. TES both world and lore wise has never been a fair or Politically Correct world it is alot more medieval, dark, and gritty. In TESO it feels less like what described above and npcs and quest givers are overwhelmingly female now its like a 80% women to 20% men ratio its so obvious no matter if irs a mage, guard, fighter, fishermen, blacksmith, or whatever you name it will most likley be female..

Good example I was in betnikh not only were quest givers mostly female but then i noticed the guards genderwise the ratio was like 6 females to 1 male in some areas particularly in the area where the Orc chief is wtf have male orcs become endangered now. Funny part too only male guard i find in that area happens to stop me for a bounty and tells me he wishes he met me in different terms because im attractive lol wtf i mean *** since when is elder scrolls this politically correct lol. You can have diversity and be more gender neutral while still staying true to the lore and age game is suppose to represent.

In TESO it feels like someone decided to inject present day politics and views like political correctness into elder scrolls with result being it losing some of what made it interesting and men somehow becoming rare and second class all of the sudden.. All i know these kind of ratios arent gender neutral or realistic either in any sense and reason why people want real world politics to stay out of video games we play games to get away from all that bs and the fact is even in our real world this wouldn't be realistic it looks like some SJW pipe dream its not like your fairly representing all political views when you do this either so why bother stick to what worked.

Elder Scrolls is a fantasy game clearly inspired by and based on medeval times and experiencing, living through, and roleplaying in that age is part of the fun.. So Its ok to stay true and realistic to that age no need to inject present day political views into that game that will ruin that experience just stay true to the art that is elder scrolls this is part of why alot of fans can't wait for the next non mmo elder scrolls to release we want the elder scrolls we are use to and love not something different.

Well if we are being realistic woman had Smaller breast back then.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3645267

Breast size is also race dependent, though can be exploited with appearance token. I noticed the parameters see to go just a bit further.

On the matter at hand as women, now thinking about this strange issue to discuss, I think the npc breasts are too small. I recall thinking at character screen thinking max settings was small. No really what do you think max settings represent. Though back on point I think they likely designed this right unless someone can show me otherwise.

Tasear

Northern_Eve wrote: »

It also never ceases to baffle me when people talk about "realism" in a fantasy setting. I guess dragons, magic, enchanted items, undead creatures like vampires and so on seem more realistic to some than gender equality.

Best fantasy is the one that seems real.

As to say it's about suspension of belief. I like it cause it could be real kinda of saying.