is it acceptable?

Azurulia

for me it would depend on how "good" the trade guild was if I stayed or now. such as item availability, selection and prices. if it was good, then I wouldn't mind at all. if not, then I'd have no reason why to stay and pay gold for soemthing I could probably find betetr out there without any fee or requirements.

However the best trade guild I have found thus far would be East Empire Trade Co, hich has a requirement of having so much items posted at a time, or alternatively a certain amount bought or sold within the guild over a 10 day period of time. being a big spender, I have 0 problems meeting the amount spent within the guild requirement, but that's mostly because of how "good" the guild is as a trade guild, and how much stuff they have available.

Granted I imagine they aren't the best, but more often than not I find myself checking there first, and often returning after not finding better within a reasonable amount of searching. This has made them my favorite trade guild because how reliable they are for having stuff. I think this has to do with the restriction that have to be upheld to remain in it. People cannot be lazy with what they sell unless they are spending a fair chunk of gold or selling high value items. Eitherway, I can see how soem restrictions can really improve the overall quality of the guild itself, as well as how profitable it is to maintain a trader.

I think the requirement of item listings is a better way to go than a fee, as it's not difficult to keep a required number of goods for sale, as you are helping yourself by selling them. were as a flat fee you don't get anything back from it.

Personally I'd like to find more trade guilds like this to fill in the rest of my guild slots, as they probably have great selections as well.

Azurephoenix999

PoseidonEvil wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

If you're going to make people force to pay to stay in the guild, lots of people are going to leave.

I love the idea of a raffle, though it'll be difficult to pull off.

Perhaps you could do the prize draw on a livestream?

i havent done it. i am in a trade guild that just started this new rule. and since i run my own trade guild i just wanted seasoned players insight on whether or not it sounds appealing or not..which i found my answer lol

my next question is do you guys think it is an acceptable requirement to have members update their notes with a weekly word to weed out inactives keep in mind i play XB1 and do not have addons to see these types of things lol

To determine how inactive someone is, maybe look at the guild store? There's a feature there where the guildmaster can see the listings someone has put up. I'm not sure if you can view who buys stuff, but you can definitely see who deposits and withdraws from the guild bank.

I mean, if someone's playing but not doing anything with the guild, why should they count as anything other than inactive?

BaalBarith

Yeah it costs close to 2 million gold on ps4 to get a good guild trader do you honestly expect them to make all of that off of the 3% tax? You're making at least 100k in a trader guild a week if you're not an idiot why not give them 1k its basically chunp change.

Korah_Eaglecry

PoseidonEvil wrote: »

so I'm in a guild that after loosing their trader for a week decided to start charging a 1k weekly donation. not that its expensive or anything but do you all agree that its acceptable or not? to force members to donate or be kicked? this is a trade guild mind you and whatever info anyone leaves here I will use for future guild guidelines if I ever decide to run my guild this way lol..

share knowledge please

Theyre probably going to lose some players at the beginning. But if they keep Recruitment up the rule might not be as harsh to anyone new.

But I would say things like Raffles would be a better means of drawing money into the Guilds Coffers. 1k Gold is not a lot but how many of those members are actively posting in the Store?

Farorin

There are many ways to raise funds, including raffles, donations, or enforced "pay or leave" type things. I prefer being in trading guilds that employ mandatory Raffles or mandatory sales/buys within guild store, as the it feels like I am not wasting my money as much.

RazzPitazz

It probably is a good move. It sounds like the members in the guild are taking the guild for granted rather trying to help it progress. Stalls in Craglorn are expensive, with the stalls in major cities of the last zones being a little cheaper. Generally if you get a good vendor you can make enough in tax to get the vendor again unless your guild is selling stupid stuff. Any trade guild that takes itself seriously cannot survive on 20g recipe sales. I can understand the move if this is the case as raffles are a choice and if people aren't serious about the trade aspect then it is pointless. This is all grand assumption though and your guild master could be a jerk.

UrQuan

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Jared_lindsey86_ESO wrote: »

56k a year for a guild with no trader?


Bye

Is this a troll or have the number of weeks in a year been patched?

I think it's that darn leap second we had this year that did it.

elephunky

1k seems pretty steep to suddenly start demanding from your guild members. Maybe 50 gold but 1k? Pfffft eff that.

Azurephoenix999

elephunky wrote: »

1k seems pretty steep to suddenly start demanding from your guild members. Maybe 50 gold but 1k? Pfffft eff that.

If you're going to start asking for money from members, 50g is way too little.

elephunky

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

If you're going to start asking for money from members, 50g is way too little.

Wouldn't that depend on how many members you have?

Vizier

Membership dues are not cool. I'd suggest asking for donations from your membership of coin and items to raffle to raise money. Forced fees simply will not be very popular. Remember you get money from sales through your store too. If the guild is active there really shouldn't be money issues IMO.

CoyoteNZ

I think I'd prefer a guild which was straight up about it and said 1K/week, rather than having to deal with raffles or fund raising and all the like. I want to use a trade guild for trading, and a non trade guild for more interactive stuff.

I'd even probably be happy if they said 1k/week, and if you don't sell a min of xx items, there is also a fee of 500 or something.

That way the active members have a set number, and the less than active members know another 500 or so will be due.

Guilds have costs, and if you dont want to lose your trader.

F7sus4

Kobaal wrote: »

Its your guild. You can do whatever you want.
Personally if one of my guild leaders said pay 1k or your out I would just leave.
You may end up losing a lot of your members.

(...) of noobs. If you know the market, you know what's the reason for hi-end Trading Guilds to charge their members or ask for donation. If you don't, talk to your Guild Officers/Leaders and they'll explain you. Don't be afraid, it's not that complicated. And 1k/week is not much, neither is 10k.

bowmanz607

good trade guilds make their money through sales and weekly raffles not forcing players to pay or leave.

bowmanz607

mtwiggz wrote: »

The trade guild I'm in, and others that I know of/was in that have prime Guild Traders (Rawl) all charge a weekly fee, or at least a weekly sales minium. It's not unreasonable to go with one or the other. To hire a guild trader costs millions, even hundreds of millions, of gold (in good spots). Which cannot be funded by the GM alone.

If you sell 'x' amount of items that makes the guild 'x' amount of money that week you do not have to pay. If you do not make 'x' amount of money for the guild that week you may pay the weekly fee or risk being kicked. I actually like that rule. It makes it so everyone in the guild is at least semi-active. Which makes for a great Guild Store.

I know many players that are in those highend trade guilds. even my guild has a prime spot. but none make manadatory payment. but yes i agree that they do have a minimum. that is only fair. it is not even money out of pocket it is min. from sales. and the min is not usally that hard to obtain if your actually selling even some items. and tbh if ur in a trade guild but dont have your slots filled, then why be in one. your in it to sell. lets take ESE for example. i think their weekly min. is 5k. do not quote me on this but i am pretty sure about that number. it is easily attainable if ur killing ur slots on a daily basis.

fyi, this was not directed at you mtwiggz. i only quoted to show i mostly agree with you

Flameheart

F7sus4 wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Its your guild. You can do whatever you want.
Personally if one of my guild leaders said pay 1k or your out I would just leave.
You may end up losing a lot of your members.

(...) of noobs. If you know the market, you know what's the reason for hi-end Trading Guilds to charge their members or ask for donation. If you don't, talk to your Guild Officers/Leaders and they'll explain you. Don't be afraid, it's not that complicated. And 1k/week is not much, neither is 10k.

I have to agree. I am member of two large trade guilds run by the same guild master. He informs the whole guild over the trade statistics on a weekly base (he even created an addon for that) and this information makes it perfectly clear, why even a good running trade guild with active members relies on donations or charges.

- sales volume relies to over 75% on a well placed guild trader and therefore YOUR personal sales volume relies on the trader too.
- you need not just a guild trader, but a trader in certain highly frequented locations (Mournhold, Wayrest, Belkarth etc.)
- the spots there for traders are limited
- you need to place a bid in concurrence to many other guilds and there are more guilds than good spots available

- guild 1: Profit last week (automatic guild claims of transactions made + donations): 1,5 million
- winning bid on guild trader: 1,4 million

-outcome: +100k

- guild 2: Profit last week (automatic guild claims of transactions made + donations): 1.2 million
- winning bid on guild trader: 1,4 million

-loss: 100k, reserves dwindling

...and I have to say I love that system. This isn't just a grafical UI for trading, it's an unique trading system where you have to compete with other trade guilds. On the other side developers love the bidding system, because it is a superb method to draw money out of the game.

Milktray

1k seems fine .. you can make that just tea-leafing everything in the bank a few times and fencing it .. or if you get a recipe/motif then fence & bung on guild store

Reb

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

On ps4 the market is dropping quickly as items become alot less rare. Ive noticed pc transfers in my guild selling off stacks of 100 gold crafting mats by the boatload lately.

that is nothing to do with transfers ...and more to do with the current farming mechanics

vamp_emily

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

the AH system is worse system I ever seen. ZoS made the game look great but failed on 70% on the rest of the game.

I agree 101 %.

I disagree 200%, ZoS did not fail on 70% of the rest of game.

Anyways, I'm not familiar with how Guilds work and if there is any cost associated with having one. But, I belong to a trading guild that requires that I have 20 Items up for sell at any given time. I love this guild and would pay 1k each week if its to share the cost for what ever expenses a guild may have.

In the guild I belong to they don't charge 1K weekly but do take a commission on the stuff I sell, which more than likely is more than 1k a week.

So I would say if you did decide to start a guild, and needed gold for expenses, I would charge a commission per sale

Techlisp

Even though a guild store takes a % of your sales money. I still like to give them 10% of everything I sell, as a thank you.

I think the lower level members would say, "Get stuffed."

Hope499

Hell no, plenty of guilds for free out there.

BaalBarith

Hope499 wrote: »

Hell no, plenty of guilds for free out there.

That aren't as good as some of the ones you pay for.

Robbmrp

Originally, when there were no guild traders and guilds would do this I left them. Then the guild traders were introduced and you have to bid on them to be able to sell to everyone. Some of these "prime" traders cost millions in gold for a bid. The amount of gold that the Guild receives from a sales is minimal and will not cover this kind of a "prime" trader bid.

IF you want to be in that "prime" location for sales, you better be prepared to pony up the gold for it. 1k a week donation is nothing in my sales and shouldn't be in yours, unless your selling items for 5-10g a piece. In which case, you need to sell higher priced things. Most guild traders in these locations have a minimum sales requirement in place of a "set" donation fee.

You can't buy a beach house for the price of regular home in a city after all....

The bottom line is, if you want the best sales spot, don't expect it for free. If you don't want to contribute to your guild, then use Zone chat as that's always free.

BaalBarith

Robbmrp wrote: »

Originally, when there were no guild traders and guilds would do this I left them. Then the guild traders were introduced and you have to bid on them to be able to sell to everyone. Some of these "prime" traders cost millions in gold for a bid. The amount of gold that the Guild receives from a sales is minimal and will not cover this kind of a "prime" trader bid.

IF you want to be in that "prime" location for sales, you better be prepared to pony up the gold for it. 1k a week donation is nothing in my sales and shouldn't be in yours, unless your selling items for 5-10g a piece. In which case, you need to sell higher priced things. Most guild traders in these locations have a minimum sales requirement in place of a "set" donation fee.

You can't buy a beach house for the price of regular home in a city after all....

The bottom line is, if you want the best sales spot, don't expect it for free. If you don't want to contribute to your guild, then use Zone chat as that's always free.

+1

NewBlacksmurf

Kobaal wrote: »

Its your guild. You can do whatever you want.

Personally if one of my guild leaders said pay 1k or your out I would just leave.

You may end up losing a lot of your members.

yep....you pretty much summed it up

Sallington

I would support them implementing a guild tax system. You could set any % of store sales, gold drops, vendor trash sales, etc. to go straight into the guild bank.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

If they have to charge members its not a good trading guild
In a good one sales cover the price of the merchant
I wouldn't pay

Arkadius

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

If they have to charge members its not a good trading guild
In a good one sales cover the price of the merchant
I wouldn't pay

By this definition the majority of trading guilds out there aren't good ones.

The success of a trading guild largly depends on its members sales and donations. But many people just like to blame the guild leaders if a guild fails to make enough money to maintain its kiosk.

Banky71

Weird. I would never pay to join! Never!!!

markt84

I only play PvP, so gold is hard to come by for me. No way would I pay gold to be in a guild