Dragonknights are a joke.

LandedEagle

Here's an idea, let's make the TANK hit just as hard as a mage or nb. oh why not give the TANK access to mad heals aswell. Because his 20 k armour 20 k spell resist aren't enough. Oh and let's make it so he has some shields and mad reflect damage spells. Oh and let's give the craziest Cc you can get. Wtf are you thinking? He should be a sponge yes, but he should hit like a wet noodle, and should need a healer to heal.

Next broken point the mage. Let's give him several stackable shields and make him able to tank. Wtf. He should hit hard yes, but should be squishy as a worm.

While we point out broken things let's make it so the nb cannot stack the dodge abilities. And let's make it so when he hits somebody, he cannot stealth! The hit person can run and stealth but stupid nb will be visible for 5mins. And the actual ability to go invisible will cost you magic and then u will be hit out of stealth mynahs. Yep kool idea. Stupid.

And then there is a templar.... Give him the JESUS beam and CC. Lol ok mate, so he is a healer but hits as hard as a damaged. Yep makes sense.

G0ku

Salty nightblade I guess? Try a different class. Many things you complain about gives me the impression you´re quite uninformed. Try to play a templar and come back here...

Scyantific

I eat DKs for breakfast on my sorc, no idea what you're talkin about mate.

dodgehopper_ESO

You haven't figured out there is a difference between Class and Role in this game. The real problem at all is that they have classes. I wish they'd break the wall down between classes altogether. Other games (MMO's) have done it and did just fine, and its a bit odd in a MMO based off of a TES game that there are classes to begin with. It is true previous TES games have classes, but they were also just paths in a game where all skills and abilities could be learned by anyone That's the real TES legacy.

The reality is I believe what they are trying to do is make all 4 roles (magic dps, stamina dps, tank & healer) viable for all 4 classes. I applaud them for this since this is the bill of goods they sold us when the game was originally released. If people can't tank, heal and dps with every class then they have screwed up.

Reverb

Templars have a good cc? Where has it been hiding for the last 1 1/2 years?

Also, you seem to be mixing up your classes and roles. Nobody said a DK has to be a tank. Until a few updates ago, "dress and a stick" caster DKs were the meta. And some of my fave tanks are nightblades or templars. And stam templar is also very popular as a DPS. And sorcs make great healers.

Open your mind and adapt your own skills and playstyle. #gitgud

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Halke

Reverb wrote: »

Templars have a good cc? Where has it been hiding for the last 1 1/2 years?

Maybe he means jabs? Doesn't it CC if you stand in it?

LandedEagle

My templar owns. Just JESUS beam and throw a javelinvthrough their heart lol and my nb is fine except it doesn't do what it should. Go invisible. The difference between a dk and nb is insane. Dk is broke because it can do everything. Nb is broke because we'll it's broke lol it has invisible/stealth that doesn't work. Stupid. Why bother when I can just go a dk and with no skill own everyone.

Reverb

LandedEagle wrote: »

My templar owns. Just JESUS beam and throw a javelinvthrough their heart lol and my nb is fine except it doesn't do what it should. Go invisible. The difference between a dk and nb is insane. Dk is broke because it can do everything. Nb is broke because we'll it's broke lol it has invisible/stealth that doesn't work. Stupid. Why bother when I can just go a dk and with no skill own everyone.

Do that, reroll as a DK. They're not as "faceroll easy win" as you think (anymore), they've been nerfed several times.
And I think I speak for many when I say that we don't need more NBs running around. Reroll dk, do it.

G0ku

LandedEagle wrote: »

My templar owns. Just JESUS beam and throw a javelinvthrough their heart lol and my nb is fine except it doesn't do what it should. Go invisible. The difference between a dk and nb is insane. Dk is broke because it can do everything. Nb is broke because we'll it's broke lol it has invisible/stealth that doesn't work. Stupid. Why bother when I can just go a dk and with no skill own everyone.

So you´re saying templar and dk are the lords in pvp? I´m out....

bowmanz607

Honestly it sounds like you are a NB player. You complain about the perks of other classes and seem to cry nerf while you complain about a lack of playability of the NB which screams buff. Bottom line is this next patch will see a huge rise in magicka nb. Also, are you serious? Ya DK has a scaling heal, and a shield and sustained damage. However, the lack eluaiveness, escapability, burst damage and an execute. A sorc has sheilds sure. But they also fold like a paper towel without them not to mention sheilds are not only going to be be able tO be hit by crit in next patch, but also there is gear tailored to fighting them. Moreover, sorcs do not really have a viable stamina build which generally can lead to one dimensional builds. As for templar, Jesus beam is being nerfed. It is there only execute. They also lack eluaiveness and escapability. Lastly, a nb can remain in stealth. You have to time it properlly. In fact it is quite common for a nb to hit from stealth and once the attack hits go back into stealth and repeat. So I don't know what nb your playing. Plus more fixes will be in the next update for dark cloack.

Also, you seem to be lumping each class into a particular playstyle. A dn does not need to be a tank nor does a templar have tk be a healer. In fact both do very well in dps builds. Template also work well as tanks and so on and so fourth. My main is a NB and I wipe the floor with dks. I also burst through sheilds and don't allow a templar to get off a full Jesus beam especially in execute. I interrupt them. I suggest you learn to identify your enemies build while fighting them and then exploit there weakness. Every build has a weakness bottom line

LandedEagle

Lol and what weakness does a dk have exactly

bowmanz607

Again they only have sustained damage no burst. You simply burst them down and stay on the move. Ofcourse it depends on the build of the person I am playing to tell you how I would handle them and it would depend on what build I was using. A dk cannot run and hide or even has an sort of evasive manuver. In fact I find dks to be the easiest class to take down.

Mighty_oakk

LandedEagle wrote: »

Lol and what weakness does a dk have exactly

Same weakness as every class the player

Kammakazi

Which ability makes them heal, I've always wondered

RazzPitazz

LandedEagle wrote: »

Lol and what weakness does a dk have exactly

DK typically lacks in group heals and single target DPS. Most damage from a DK is AoE, weapons excluded. They have no escape, with ok self heals. DK sucks at ranged combat from a skill line perspective. Very few class skills have a range in excess of 8 meters and the ones that do are not major sources of damage, mainly gap closers.

So in short, if you are trying to take on a half decent DK within melee range you will get stomped as a NB.

LandedEagle

U cannot range a dk. He will flap at you and reflect it.

bowmanz607

RazzPitazz wrote: »

LandedEagle wrote: »

Lol and what weakness does a dk have exactly

DK typically lacks in group heals and single target DPS. Most damage from a DK is AoE, weapons excluded. They have no escape, with ok self heals. DK sucks at ranged combat from a skill line perspective. Very few class skills have a range in excess of 8 meters and the ones that do are not major sources of damage, mainly gap closers.

So in short, if you are trying to take on a half decent DK within melee range you will get stomped as a NB.

I disagree i will melee a dk all day. although it is better to stay back a little. all in all a mix of range and melee is a nice way to fight them.

LandedEagle wrote: »

U cannot range a dk. He will flap at you and reflect it.

as for reflect. count. count to 4 and hit them with range before they reapply. many dk's forget to reapply after their buff as timed out. also, resto and lighting go through wings. one hand has a nice counter to it. as a NB fear, shadow cloack, suprise attack or concealed weapon. apply dots. watch when they use their potions. keep an eye on when their buffs are down. attack in bursts. i mean there are so many ways to fight a dk. Dont believe me look to sypher. in the current meta, NB and sorcs are the best 1v1 or 1vx classes. a dk cannot usually bring down a player quickly allowing that player to react to the incoming damage. again they lack burst.

RazzPitazz

LandedEagle wrote: »

U cannot range a dk. He will flap at you and reflect it.

That only works for 4 projectiles, though the ability was much worse before.
As a NB you will want the Stealth morph that drops dot damage (it's the most useful anyway). Your goal is to CC, land some hits and disappear/evade until you land your next CC. Perhaps pop agony into shadiw image, follwed by teleport strike then reactivate the shadow image to safety. Do this a few times until they are within execute range. Mass Hysteria messes with everyones brain.

NB vs DK can me a hard match up (specifically cause NB is still a little broken) but that doesn't mean DKs are unstoppable in 1v1s, Just really difficult.

Atlaz

Anyone can use heavy armor, shield, put all stats into hp and use whatever healing moves your class comes with.

Farorin

Atlaz wrote: »

Anyone can use heavy armor, shield, put all stats into hp and use whatever healing moves your class comes with.

Not NBs though as we don't come with any reliable heals or any class shields. NB heals have also taken a really hard hit on the PTS in PVP, thus making the heals even more useless.


*edited for clarity

Farorin

DKs are not that bad. I kill them pretty easy on my NB and my Templar. I mean, they kill me as well, but you take your wins with your losses, that's part of the game.

bowmanz607

Farorin wrote: »

Atlaz wrote: »

Anyone can use heavy armor, shield, put all stats into hp and use whatever healing moves your class comes with.

Not NBs though as we don't come with any reliable heals or any class shields. NB heals have also taken a really hard hit on the PTS in PVP, thus making them next to useless.

what are you talking about NB are still great. especially magicka NB. they dont have sheilds and burst heals in class b/c of things like shadow cloack. they are meant to hit from the shadows. also, a NB can use heavy. a NB can use combat prayer. A nB can use healing ward. A NB can use vigor. A NB gets good heals from killing people. A NB also gets heals from rally. A nbalso has swallow soul. a NB also has sap essence.

This seems like an unecessary call to buff NB. that simply wont happen. they are already a powerful class. And yes I have a NB. in fact i have over 1500 hours logged on my NB and have been on the pts. It is a tougher more strategic class to play that requires percision and higher player skill than a temp or DK. i would say sorc also, but i think there is an argument for a sorc requiring more player skill.

Rinmaethodain

OP like here is the reason why ZOS is making unjustified nerfs like "0 stamina when blocking"

DK =/= TANK
Someone who have sword and board =/= TANK

A full magicka/stamina DPS build wearing sword and board ............................. is still not a tank.

also lol@OP apparently whining that his NB class - the most favourite class of ZOS that will never be nerfed #NBmasterRace - is weakset

teladoy

I think I understand what this guy try to explain, I have a DK and NB and excepting because NB have cloak, DK are in general more robust and mutltitask.

For example you get sniped and your health falls to 20%, DK no problem insta heal and run, but if your are a NB panic!

Sure you would say, if you get sniped with your NB then you are stupid blabla bla, but the thing is that DK are more easy to play and simple.

I used to play my DK with shield build and is incredible versatile, I stop playing two hands, because for me the difference of damage was no one, but the advantages were a lot.

I think NB do it well when are very extreme good focused to stamina or magicka, but give them a shield in pvp and you will see nothing.

I think they need more love, not buffs, but yes some mechanism to make them more versatile, to have more variety of choice.

Alucardo

Sounds to me like someone just got rekt by a DK

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

I don't find DKs to be a joke, I find them rather yummy! Just stay at 10 to 20 yards from them at all times use what you have to prevent them from defending and they can do little.

Templars or magicka NBs otoh are bad news 1-1.

Aunatar

Lol.
"I can't 1-shot everybody and then disappear into the shadows! Please ZOS fix it so I can play the way my class was designed! Nerf shields, nerf heals, nerf block, nerf damage healing, nerf detect potions, nerf dots, buff my favourite races, buff my cloak, buff my regen, make a DLC where I can steal every token to players I gank! Do this and I will finally be able to play my class as intended!"
Congratulations, dear crying NB army, you succeded. Beware, everybody will soon have a nightblade as main character, you won't be able to say "nerf players's skills".
The OP is a joke; explain why everybody is rerolling nightblades if other classes are so OP.

LandedEagle

Lol no. Just fix the nb invisible. Or delete it. It's broken. And the dk simply shouldn't be able stun/heal/dps/tank/reflect/be mostly immortal all at once. Not a hard concept to understand.

Etaniel

LandedEagle wrote: »

Lol no. Just fix the nb invisible. Or delete it. It's broken. And the dk simply shouldn't be able stun/heal/dps/tank/reflect/be mostly immortal all at once. Not a hard concept to understand.

It's a huge L2P issue here.... That was the case in 1.5, and still it wasn't immortal. A simple nightblade using fear every 6 seconds was enough to bring a dk down, it's still enough today.
And with all the exploits available today like the sharpened bug, I don't know how you don't manage to kill dks.

Cherryblossom

L2P is the simple answer to your rant, NB are extremely hard hitting and are the ultimate counter for all other classes.

I play a NB