When can we expect race changes?

Banky71

You should be proud of your race. Never change.

DenMoria

This whole supposition confuses and angers me!

Honestly, is the OP actually saying that they want the ability to actually change RACES on their character?

There isn't a game out there where you can do that! Gender maybe, cosmetic changes, sure! But you're actual race? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you're just too lazy to create a character of the race you want to use and play it.

IMHO this is a stupid as wanting ALL races to have access to the passives of ALL races, as if race not only didn't exist, but didn't matter.

That's the heart of RPG for goodness sake.

What is wrong with people.

ZEN! Do not take this suggestion! Please! It would eviscerate the entire point of a ES setting. Race is important and you need to think about it BEFORE you create your character, not play a while and decide that you want the passives from another race now so you become another race.

Sheesh. What is wrong with people.

Sorry - getting a little heated. The entire idea just seems so lazy and stupid and entitled to me.

dday3six

DenMoria wrote: »

This whole supposition confuses and angers me!

Honestly, is the OP actually saying that they want the ability to actually change RACES on their character?

There isn't a game out there where you can do that! Gender maybe, cosmetic changes, sure! But you're actual race? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you're just too lazy to create a character of the race you want to use and play it.

IMHO this is a stupid as wanting ALL races to have access to the passives of ALL races, as if race not only didn't exist, but didn't matter.

That's the heart of RPG for goodness sake.

What is wrong with people.

ZEN! Do not take this suggestion! Please! It would eviscerate the entire point of a ES setting. Race is important and you need to think about it BEFORE you create your character, not play a while and decide that you want the passives from another race now so you become another race.

Sheesh. What is wrong with people.

Sorry - getting a little heated. The entire idea just seems so lazy and stupid and entitled to me.

There are games were you can change your race. FFXIV has a race change option for example. It's lazy when a person doesn't bother to google something before ranting...

rb2001

DenMoria wrote: »

This whole supposition confuses and angers me!

Honestly, is the OP actually saying that they want the ability to actually change RACES on their character?

There isn't a game out there where you can do that! Gender maybe, cosmetic changes, sure! But you're actual race? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you're just too lazy to create a character of the race you want to use and play it.

IMHO this is a stupid as wanting ALL races to have access to the passives of ALL races, as if race not only didn't exist, but didn't matter.

That's the heart of RPG for goodness sake.

What is wrong with people.

ZEN! Do not take this suggestion! Please! It would eviscerate the entire point of a ES setting. Race is important and you need to think about it BEFORE you create your character, not play a while and decide that you want the passives from another race now so you become another race.

Sheesh. What is wrong with people.

Sorry - getting a little heated. The entire idea just seems so lazy and stupid and entitled to me.

You are right.

Absolutely wrong that someone should magically go from a Breton to an Argonian and still "be the same person". Make another character if you want another character.

Utter nonsense.

It's a roleplaying game, not a "I want the stats" game. What is wrong with people.

Morvul

DenMoria wrote: »

This whole supposition confuses and angers me!

Honestly, is the OP actually saying that they want the ability to actually change RACES on their character?

There isn't a game out there where you can do that! Gender maybe, cosmetic changes, sure! But you're actual race? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you're just too lazy to create a character of the race you want to use and play it.

IMHO this is a stupid as wanting ALL races to have access to the passives of ALL races, as if race not only didn't exist, but didn't matter.

That's the heart of RPG for goodness sake.

What is wrong with people.

ZEN! Do not take this suggestion! Please! It would eviscerate the entire point of a ES setting. Race is important and you need to think about it BEFORE you create your character, not play a while and decide that you want the passives from another race now so you become another race.

Sheesh. What is wrong with people.

Sorry - getting a little heated. The entire idea just seems so lazy and stupid and entitled to me.

when the game was released, I basically agreed with your point of view.
However, back then racial passives did not have tooooo much of an effect on "build efficiency" (aka min-maxing). Choosing "the best" race for a given role was maybe 3-4% better then choosing "the worst" race. But that was at release. Since then, game mechanics have changed (especially the removal of soft-caps) and suddenly the difference between the "best" and "worst" races for a given role is approaching 15% of efficiency...

that IS a massive change to the reasoning for choosing one race or the other.

Quite frankly, I'd prefer ZoS to (significantly) tune down the effect of racials passives, rather then give us race changes.
But that's mostly because I'd like to continue playing an Orc spell caster - and I'm fine with being 4% weaker then an Altmer, but not so fine with being 15% weaker....

Zorrashi

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Change RACE? I understand maybe some hair options and minor facial changes....but the entire race?
Seems a bit silly imo....

You must hate that quest in greenshade where you bring some alchemy supplies to help a dunmer change his race then, huh?
See? There is a darn precedent in the game, even! If NPCs can do it...
Sillyness Myth busted!

P2W argument? Pfffffttttt... that always comes up when people hate something about the crown store, but have no reasonable arguments against it.
As long as one can attain the same power with some time and effort, it isn't PtW. Race change will never be, since everyone can make an alt with that race/class combi, take it to max level, inherit top tier gear from their other characters, have all their c-points to boost their power...
Of course, that -does- take getting the newly made alt to max level. And it takes doing a good deal of PvP too. So... pay for advantage, yes, pay to win, no.
[...]

Paying for an in-game advantage is exactly what P2W usually refers to. After all, "wining" in an MMO does not exactly exist given its ever changing and ever expanding qualities. The term was simply adopted when the community favored the hyperbole in brought on (or in some extreme cases, was actually somewhat accurate with the best gear only being available in the cash shop). Regardless, the term has since evolved into describe any cash shop where a buyer can gain a distinct advantage over others without doing anything in game.

Despite it being a rather subjective term, I maintain the stance that P2W only happens when in-game advantages are only available in the cash shop and not obtainable by in-game methods. ESO has not breached that line yet (even the psijic boosters may be found in-game, albeit in a more difficult manner) but it is getting uncomfortably close.

Unless it is available in-game too, through an item or a rather expensive service, then I consider race changes to be crossing that line (and creating a new character is simply out of the question given that it isn't even considered a race change--just a new character. Nothing more.) . However small the bonus the racial passives can, it still stands that they usually do give advantages.

I would prefer if race changes were available in-game only. Preferably with a difficult quest (like collecting the hard-to-find proper alchemy reagents) and a hefty fee (say 10,000 gold? Lower? Higher?). So long as race changes are somewhat discouraged (be it difficult quest or high price) and limited in some manner (like only X amount of changes per character/year), then I am probably willing to reluctantly accept race changes.

I couldn't care less about the lore in this particular situation, but I do care about how it may reinforce the fotm-mentality and how it may change the standards of the cash-shop. So it is not so much the 'what' so much as it is the 'how' that I am concerned with. Granted, I would prefer race change to never be allowed in the first place, but I know it is probably coming anyway . Might as well make my stance on its coming clear though.

Artis

srs121 wrote: »

I understand they don't show the passives... Just as they don't show the class moves either. However there is other resources we have available that will allow you to look at such things and make decisions on a more informed stand point.

I am not for nor against changes to classes and racial passives and moves as long as they fix any mistakes that may have been created, and they don't completely 180 a racial orientated build (turning khaji to a sorc, etc,.).

You can still create great characters and achieve all your goals. They are simply attempting to balance things out, help create a diverse gaming environment., instead of just the same races for every class.

In every mmo rpg I have played this has been the exact same issue discussed, every change, every patch, Players complain that all of a sudden their favorite builds, favorite items, favorite class or race is no longer the best or op, and maybe another class can be better.

1. I just want to play a game, I should not be forced to break immersion and use any websites after I pressed "Play" on a launcher.
2. But they did 180 when they removed softcaps. Now most races are pigeonholed and races that don't have racial bonuses for certain builds are too much behind (with softcaps the difference wasn't that big).
3. Yeah no. I want to play my character. They positioned themselves as an Elder Scrolls game. And in ES games any race is viable in end-game. Races should not define efficiency that much.
4. Never heard such complaints in wow. About classes - yes. Races? People only complain that humans are OP in pvp, in pve racial bonuses give you about 0.5-1% dps, which is within the margin of error anyway. Skill/ping would affect your dps much more.

DenMoria wrote: »

This whole supposition confuses and angers me!

Honestly, is the OP actually saying that they want the ability to actually change RACES on their character?

There isn't a game out there where you can do that! Gender maybe, cosmetic changes, sure! But you're actual race? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you're just too lazy to create a character of the race you want to use and play it.

rb2001 wrote: »

You are right.

Absolutely wrong that someone should magically go from a Breton to an Argonian and still "be the same person". Make another character if you want another character.

Utter nonsense.

It's a roleplaying game, not a "I want the stats" game. What is wrong with people.

No one cares about your roleplaying except for RPers. I don't see topics asking for moderators for /zone chats and/or names that are breaking immersion. I didn't see complains that our characters don't need to eat/drink and sleep at night. Now, if they implement race change it's good for everyone. People, who don't care about stats simply won't change their races. People who do - will and won't feel gimped (even if they were not to start with, it's all about enjoying the game and not being bothered with anything). How do you care if I changed my race prior to you meeting me or will change it after? You will never know and it will not affect your game at all.

AshTal

I hope we get this because they promised to rebalance the racial passives when this option comes in and right now my Argonian passives are naff.

Chuggernaut

VR levels are going away, CPs are account wide, and leveling 1-50 is super quick/easy.

Just role up a new dude.

vote4ren

Hopefully if this post grabs enough attention we can get a reply from a dev.

vote4ren

And btw for anyone who claims this isn't normal for a Mmorpg must never of played any other ones. Final fantasy as well as WoW had race changes.

DenMoria

I have a question for you "Race Change" folks. Would you expect to still maintain the racial passives from your former race as well as the ones from your new one? If so - I am totally opposed to this. Race is an important and determining factor. I only wish that race was more deeply explored in ESO with all its pluses and minuses.

If, however, you simply take on the passives of the new race and do not maintain the passives of your previous race then, I guess I don't care.

Would this also involve the ability to change your class specifications and/or affiliations?

If so, isn't it simply a giveaway to those that do not want to take the time to develop a new character with its own specifics?

Just wondering. Don't mean to be stirring the pot. It's just not an option that I would ever consider. I create a toon. I put my imagination and my heart in to their backstory and developing them as people. The last thing I would want to do is to change everything about them just to gain some small advantage for something that I have no interest in anyhow.

Besides, I'm proud of who I am as a person in real life, why would I destroy my character's credibility by reducing them to a bunch of personality-less statistics with no reality in the game?

Hope499

Valrien wrote: »

@Gamertaglemieux I know what P2W means. I was wondering how anyone could think the crown store is P2W.

Because the fire horse breaths fire for 50k dmg per second....duh.....

hedna123b14_ESO

Zorrashi wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

vote4ren wrote: »

I'm hoping for a response from a dev. I was really hoping for this option to be added this DLC..guess not. I'm so tempted to reroll another nightblade just for a different race but I don't want to waste my time and then all of a sudden they add it. Is there any way that a dev can announce whether or not this will be coming soon?

Hopefully never.

Why hopefully never? Introducing it will:
a) Increase revenue for the game,

So would selling VR14 characters and endgame gear, but that doesn't mean that they should add it to the cash shop just so they can increase revenue. I don't want to give ZOS the impression that they can put a price tag on just about everything just because they can. While a business is indeed supposed to gain revenue, there is such a thing as standards for even they if they wish to retain their buyer base in the long run.
Now with that being said, I do concede that race change in the cash shop isn't as bad as an insta-leveled character or top gear, but I still maintain the stance that the cash shop shouldn't offer even marginal benefits to character strength (racial passives in this case) just because people are willing to pay real cash for it.

Rev Rielle wrote: »

c) Have no impact on anyone not wanting to purchase/use the option.
[...]

Actually I beg to differ. Race change for reasons beyond the physical appearance impacts the way the community (or certain portions of it) act. I do not want to encourage the FOTM-mentality by permitting race change so casually. Or at least not without severe restrictions.

Speak for yourself...I rolled a khajit templar and was a healer dps since beta...then 1.6 hit and the one passive I had that I actually benefited from was nerfed...I no longer get any benefits from my racial passives (health regen is useless for me)...either grant me a race change or make carnage also grant spell crit...then we can talk...

hedna123b14_ESO

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

srs121 wrote: »

Race changes? Really... Personally I am opposed to being able to change your race whenever you feel like it.

If you made a decision on what you wanted to be for a specific character you either... Live with it or restart. If you could change your race whenever you pleased then you would change before every dungeon you entered so you could get some racial passives towArds a specific element of damage.

I feel the same about being able to change your class type.



Honestly, when making a character you should think about it, consider racial passives with your specific class choice, how can these benefit or hinder what I'm trying to do. Not just click and go... And start playing. Don't just read a couple players opinions on class and race selection and then decide..yep I'm going to do what they did cause they said it was the best or good. I have found that when comparing several opinions, and adding my own ideas with it... It usually results in a decision that I am happy with and enjoy.

Also keep in mind that they are Doing racial changes with the imperial city dlc/patch,

First off, you only see passives after you created a character, just saying.
Secondly, it's not our fault that ZOS changed mechanics completely with Update 7. Sure, some of us "If you made a decision on what you wanted to be for a specific character".. However, after they removed softcaps, rules changed. And what was a well-thought decision on release is now a huge mistake. You see, I probably wouldn't even mind restarting, but I have almost 13K achievements... Why should I suffer for something that wasn't really my fault? If they at least made achievements, mounts, pvp ranks etc account-wide, maybe restarting would be such a horrible option. Now it's not even an option.

Regarding classes, their descriptions are misleading, besides, once again, ZoS changes the way they perform all the time. It's unfair that we pay money and then suffer because of their very arguable decisions.

Well done for obtaining 13k achievements. However, I can guarantee you that your choice in race played no part in that. Play the race you prefer to play through aesthetics then you will never be disappointed. The minor increases from racial passives is more of an OCD option if anything.

This game oftens new content so rarely that THE ONLY reason to play once you've done everything is leaderboard change...otherwise there is honestly no point of continuing. That being sad I need the best race/class combo to have the potential to achieve the highest leaderboard score....so it matters a ton...now if the leaderboards didnt exist it would be another story...

DenMoria

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

srs121 wrote: »

Race changes? Really... Personally I am opposed to being able to change your race whenever you feel like it.

If you made a decision on what you wanted to be for a specific character you either... Live with it or restart. If you could change your race whenever you pleased then you would change before every dungeon you entered so you could get some racial passives towArds a specific element of damage.

I feel the same about being able to change your class type.



Honestly, when making a character you should think about it, consider racial passives with your specific class choice, how can these benefit or hinder what I'm trying to do. Not just click and go... And start playing. Don't just read a couple players opinions on class and race selection and then decide..yep I'm going to do what they did cause they said it was the best or good. I have found that when comparing several opinions, and adding my own ideas with it... It usually results in a decision that I am happy with and enjoy.

Also keep in mind that they are Doing racial changes with the imperial city dlc/patch,

First off, you only see passives after you created a character, just saying.
Secondly, it's not our fault that ZOS changed mechanics completely with Update 7. Sure, some of us "If you made a decision on what you wanted to be for a specific character".. However, after they removed softcaps, rules changed. And what was a well-thought decision on release is now a huge mistake. You see, I probably wouldn't even mind restarting, but I have almost 13K achievements... Why should I suffer for something that wasn't really my fault? If they at least made achievements, mounts, pvp ranks etc account-wide, maybe restarting would be such a horrible option. Now it's not even an option.

Regarding classes, their descriptions are misleading, besides, once again, ZoS changes the way they perform all the time. It's unfair that we pay money and then suffer because of their very arguable decisions.

Well done for obtaining 13k achievements. However, I can guarantee you that your choice in race played no part in that. Play the race you prefer to play through aesthetics then you will never be disappointed. The minor increases from racial passives is more of an OCD option if anything.

This game oftens new content so rarely that THE ONLY reason to play once you've done everything is leaderboard change...otherwise there is honestly no point of continuing. That being sad I need the best race/class combo to have the potential to achieve the highest leaderboard score....so it matters a ton...now if the leaderboards didnt exist it would be another story...

Ah! I get it now. This is all about the leaderboards. Cool! If that's you're cup of tea, I say go for it. Me, I'm such a bad player that I just don't even pay attention to them.

Good luck all! I hope you get your race change option. I'll never use it, but I can't begrudge y'all for wanting it.

Junkogen

They really should allow race changes. With all the game changes they've made since launch, no one could have reasonably predicted the game would be where it's at today. They've made changes, like the change to the Argonian Nightblade potion synergy, that defy reason. They added stamina morphs and removed soft caps. When I picked my Argonian NB, it was a completely different game. Honestly, it's pretty crappy of them to not have implemented race changes sooner. They really shafted a lot of people.

The game is very long, especially for casual players. Also, it's just plain annoying to have to redo everything just because ZOS made my choice suck. It would be one thing if this was a sandbox game and restarting meant a completely new experience, but it's not. It's all the exact same stuff. It turns players off and pushes them away. How is that good for the game long-term?

Yes, they're making some tweaks with the IC DLC, but that's not good enough. They're not really fixing the problem. They're just making it not as bad, especially for Argonians. It tells me that they just don't want to take the time to actually balance the passives. They just want to make it look like they're doing something without actually doing anything substantial.

TheShadowScout

The main thing about keeping a character and changing the rece as opposed to just deleting and rerolling is the research times for crafting, alliance rank and/or possibly horse training.

Levelling 1-50 is quick enough, and with veteran ranks going away someday to be replaced by c-points... its easy enough to roll a new character.

But when you have invested six months worth of crafting research, riding lessions or PvP-rank grabbing... well, I can understand that some people would want to "retcon" their character race. Or quaffle an potion that ought to turn them khajiit, but turns them argonian instead cause they got an ingredient wrong... no, wait, that was an NPC.

Again, -I- wouldn't do it for any of my eight characters, not unless they added a new race that I felt would work better for one of the character ideas. But I wouldn't deny those who really want it the option, provided they pay a good chunk of crowns for it to fill the PTBs profit margin, and thus support me getting new content all the sooner...

Defilted

What if the race changes where limited to 1 or 2 a year? Maybe 1 a month or every 2 months?

I do not need to change myself. I choose High elf, so it is hard to improve perfection.

21jws10

Or they could let you do what has been done in past TES games, where when the intro is done you have the option to change features before beginning your adventure. This would eliminate the appearance issues the most, as you wont really get much of a taster of your racial passives now would you? Some regard certain racial class combos as taboo due to being unconventional and this is particularly off putting for some players, got a nord sorc with staves? Don't do trials with us. I suppose this has happened to some people.

I feel the choice is too sacred to be fiddled around with just for some spare cash.
If you let people do this, obviously they are going to want class changes to come too at some point. Too much effort to invest in a new character for some people.

DenMoria

Artemis wrote: »

srs121 wrote: »

I understand they don't show the passives... Just as they don't show the class moves either. However there is other resources we have available that will allow you to look at such things and make decisions on a more informed stand point.

I am not for nor against changes to classes and racial passives and moves as long as they fix any mistakes that may have been created, and they don't completely 180 a racial orientated build (turning khaji to a sorc, etc,.).

You can still create great characters and achieve all your goals. They are simply attempting to balance things out, help create a diverse gaming environment., instead of just the same races for every class.

In every mmo rpg I have played this has been the exact same issue discussed, every change, every patch, Players complain that all of a sudden their favorite builds, favorite items, favorite class or race is no longer the best or op, and maybe another class can be better.

1. I just want to play a game, I should not be forced to break immersion and use any websites after I pressed "Play" on a launcher.
2. But they did 180 when they removed softcaps. Now most races are pigeonholed and races that don't have racial bonuses for certain builds are too much behind (with softcaps the difference wasn't that big).
3. Yeah no. I want to play my character. They positioned themselves as an Elder Scrolls game. And in ES games any race is viable in end-game. Races should not define efficiency that much.
4. Never heard such complaints in wow. About classes - yes. Races? People only complain that humans are OP in pvp, in pve racial bonuses give you about 0.5-1% dps, which is within the margin of error anyway. Skill/ping would affect your dps much more.

DenMoria wrote: »

This whole supposition confuses and angers me!

Honestly, is the OP actually saying that they want the ability to actually change RACES on their character?

There isn't a game out there where you can do that! Gender maybe, cosmetic changes, sure! But you're actual race? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you're just too lazy to create a character of the race you want to use and play it.

rb2001 wrote: »

You are right.

Absolutely wrong that someone should magically go from a Breton to an Argonian and still "be the same person". Make another character if you want another character.

Utter nonsense.

It's a roleplaying game, not a "I want the stats" game. What is wrong with people.

No one cares about your roleplaying except for RPers. I don't see topics asking for moderators for /zone chats and/or names that are breaking immersion. I didn't see complains that our characters don't need to eat/drink and sleep at night. Now, if they implement race change it's good for everyone. People, who don't care about stats simply won't change their races. People who do - will and won't feel gimped (even if they were not to start with, it's all about enjoying the game and not being bothered with anything). How do you care if I changed my race prior to you meeting me or will change it after? You will never know and it will not affect your game at all.

Agree with you, but, if you haven't seen immersion breaking complaints, including the ones listed, you haven't been paying attention.

Artis

DenMoria wrote: »

I have a question for you "Race Change" folks. Would you expect to still maintain the racial passives from your former race as well as the ones from your new one? If so - I am totally opposed to this. Race is an important and determining factor. I only wish that race was more deeply explored in ESO with all its pluses and minuses.

If, however, you simply take on the passives of the new race and do not maintain the passives of your previous race then, I guess I don't care.

Would this also involve the ability to change your class specifications and/or affiliations?

If so, isn't it simply a giveaway to those that do not want to take the time to develop a new character with its own specifics?

Just wondering. Don't mean to be stirring the pot. It's just not an option that I would ever consider. I create a toon. I put my imagination and my heart in to their backstory and developing them as people. The last thing I would want to do is to change everything about them just to gain some small advantage for something that I have no interest in anyhow.

Besides, I'm proud of who I am as a person in real life, why would I destroy my character's credibility by reducing them to a bunch of personality-less statistics with no reality in the game?

1. Yes, just like you said. When you get a new race - you get a new race with its bonuses but lose the bonuses of the previous race you had.
2. No one would force you to use it if you don't want to consider this option However, other players want it.

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Speak for yourself...I rolled a khajit templar and was a healer dps since beta...then 1.6 hit and the one passive I had that I actually benefited from was nerfed...I no longer get any benefits from my racial passives (health regen is useless for me)...either grant me a race change or make carnage also grant spell crit...then we can talk...

You're a good healer regardless though. Besides, no matter how much dps you deal it will be negligible compared to what dps deal. So race won't affect your position as a healer that much. However, it is still pretty important in PvP and if you ever use a DPS spec.

21jws10 wrote: »

Or they could let you do what has been done in past TES games, where when the intro is done you have the option to change features before beginning your adventure.
I feel the choice is too sacred to be fiddled around with just for some spare cash.
If you let people do this, obviously they are going to want class changes to come too at some point. Too much effort to invest in a new character for some people.

1. Indeed, they should do what they've done in past TES game - make it so that in end-game races only affect appearance.
2. No logic doesn't work this way. Just because players can change race it doesn't mean ZOS will then have to implement class change. That being said, there should be no classes in this game anyway and class-change must be done in game, not even in the crown store. More like WW/Vamp skill lines: when you respec, once you invest a skill point in one of the class skill lines, skill lines of other classes are blocked. It's TES, the whole point was that we didnt' need to level new characters to try different play styles. But that's another topic.

DenMoria wrote: »

Agree with you, but, if you haven't seen immersion breaking complaints, including the ones listed, you haven't been paying attention.

If anyone shows me, I'd like to see. I would like to see the links from people who campaign against race changes. I would really like to see if it's their position because they are all about immersion or they are just trolling people whose choices were screwed up by ZOS in Update 7. So please, guys, show us some links to your previous posts about adding hunger/sleepiness... about maybe making it so that gold(coins) have mass as they should have so you can't carry thousands or millions of them.

vote4ren

Why won't a dev respond to this? But will respond to a question about a drop rate..

Slurg

vote4ren wrote: »

Why won't a dev respond to this? But will respond to a question about a drop rate..

They usually only answer questions that they already have the answers to. It's only been 3 days; some questions go unanswered for months.

You can continue to wait for an answer that may or may not come or you can reroll already and save yourself some time.

dday3six

vote4ren wrote: »

Why won't a dev respond to this? But will respond to a question about a drop rate..

Well they have said that they are working on it. Eric mentioned it on Live 21 I think it was. However he did not give a timeframe for it however.

vote4ren

Just finished a quest for the skin stealer...hint hint

Elsonso

Devs won't respond to this until they have something to contribute. They have either already said what they want to say and people can search and find it, or they have not decided what they want to say. If they need to say something, I am certain that some ZOS person will say it. This is an old and tired battle in this forum. You don't have to like it, but it is easier if you accept it.

I am very curious to see how ZOS and Bethesda answer the game play, lore, business, and legal issues that come with race, and class, changes in the game.

Zorrashi

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

vote4ren wrote: »

I'm hoping for a response from a dev. I was really hoping for this option to be added this DLC..guess not. I'm so tempted to reroll another nightblade just for a different race but I don't want to waste my time and then all of a sudden they add it. Is there any way that a dev can announce whether or not this will be coming soon?

Hopefully never.

Why hopefully never? Introducing it will:
a) Increase revenue for the game,

So would selling VR14 characters and endgame gear, but that doesn't mean that they should add it to the cash shop just so they can increase revenue. I don't want to give ZOS the impression that they can put a price tag on just about everything just because they can. While a business is indeed supposed to gain revenue, there is such a thing as standards for even they if they wish to retain their buyer base in the long run.
Now with that being said, I do concede that race change in the cash shop isn't as bad as an insta-leveled character or top gear, but I still maintain the stance that the cash shop shouldn't offer even marginal benefits to character strength (racial passives in this case) just because people are willing to pay real cash for it.

Rev Rielle wrote: »

c) Have no impact on anyone not wanting to purchase/use the option.
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Actually I beg to differ. Race change for reasons beyond the physical appearance impacts the way the community (or certain portions of it) act. I do not want to encourage the FOTM-mentality by permitting race change so casually. Or at least not without severe restrictions.

Speak for yourself...I rolled a khajit templar and was a healer dps since beta...then 1.6 hit and the one passive I had that I actually benefited from was nerfed...I no longer get any benefits from my racial passives (health regen is useless for me)...either grant me a race change or make carnage also grant spell crit...then we can talk...

You don't need the old carnage passive to get increased spell crit. We have CPs for that--or any other altered passive, really. Honestly, racial passives were only supposed to give slight bumps to your character's abilities--not define them. Even if they were "subpar", there are several in-game methods (even prior to the CP system) that could circumvent them. Now with the CP system its even easier to do so without sacrificing gear/glyphs.

Muizer

vote4ren wrote: »

I'm hoping for a response from a dev. I was really hoping for this option to be added this DLC..guess not.

I sincerely hope it will never come to this. If they do, however, I think they should apply this to NPC too, just so when you speak to an argonian he can change into a khajiit right in front of you. Or you were given a quest by a Nord and when you come back you have no idea who to talk to as your quest giver has changed race and emigrated to the Summerset Isles.

Muizer

Banky71 wrote: »

You should be proud of your race. Never change.

I don't know about that. However, Tamriel is not a world of shapeshifters, however. Just like in our world, in Tamriel your character is dealt a hand of characteristics ". In ESO that includes gender, race, and class. From then on they have to make do with the hand they were dealt. Itn a world of magic that's IMHO a baseline of realism without which very little means anything anymore.

For those who'd say "well, then it's your choice not to use it", I'd say the mere option would diminish the game nonetheless. This isn't single player. My experience is not shaped independently of yours. Perhaps you've read about people who think the game is too easy being advised not to wear armour. Few people consider that a genuine solution. Why? The option to wear armour is available, hence not using it is gimping yourself. If race change or class change becomes available, we will likewise have to consider whether we are gimping ourselves by staying who we are. We will all be shapeshifters, even those who choose not to shift shape.