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IF You are not Veteran Rank you should not be able to be In Veteran Cyrodil Campaighns Period

charisma316
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why are the devs wasting time to buff people who level to ten and dont take the time to actually play and level up just to go sit out in PVP and be rewarded?

You buff lowbies to be stronger than VR 1-3 players when those players actually did some sort of leveling to get where they are but stay sub 50 gets a reward

you should restrict under leveled players to the Non Veteran Campaign if they want to level up

Veterans cant go to those campaigns why should the lowbies be in the Vet Campaigns

Allowing these players to do little gameplay to be competetive with high vets is a ridiculous waste of time
  • ghostwise
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    You just get beat up in PvP or something? :)
  • SIN-X
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    why are the devs wasting time to buff people who level to ten and dont take the time to actually play and level up just to go sit out in PVP and be rewarded?

    You buff lowbies to be stronger than VR 1-3 players when those players actually did some sort of leveling to get where they are but stay sub 50 gets a reward

    you should restrict under leveled players to the Non Veteran Campaign if they want to level up

    Veterans cant go to those campaigns why should the lowbies be in the Vet Campaigns

    Allowing these players to do little gameplay to be competetive with high vets is a ridiculous waste of time

    Its almost the same as allowing a game company to do little content and bug fixes but still buy the kitty pets ehh
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  • charisma316
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    ghostwise wrote: »
    You just get beat up in PvP or something? :)

    nope i blow up softies on my vet 14s

    the lowbies are just que cloggers for the heavy campaigns why real vets have to wait in ques cause 200 lvl 20s are in our campaign is ridiculous
  • Techlisp
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    I don't have a problem with lower ranks or them being buffed, and we want as many people in PvP as possible in my eyes. So whatever gets more people in is good.
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  • charisma316
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    you realize we already have enough when im sitting in a 5 hour que cause its a waiting list of 450 is lame
  • leepalmer95
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    I don't agree with the vet 1-13 battle levels, are you really going to baby people until their literally max level?

    Levels 1-50 are what i consider a tutorial, easy pve and battle leveled in pvp, and thats fine people can enjoy the game without any real effort and get the basics etc.. down.

    But when you hit vet level you actually need to put a it of though't into the game and actually build your charater, decide where to stick attributes without the 'a bit of everything' thought.

    This game is slowly becoming more of a carebear mmorpg, just because most people though't it would be another skyrim and now because they realised they can't change the difficulty to insanely easy and have to put a little effort everyones crying.

    Battle level to vet 4-5 is fine because those early vets you stuggle because theirs such a difference in resources at that point., but after vet 4-5 you can easily kill any vet levels if you figure a build, get equipment, morph the right skills and get used to your class.
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  • Techlisp
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    you realize we already have enough when im sitting in a 5 hour que cause its a waiting list of 450 is lame

    PvP is dead on PS4 EU except Azura's star. The other servers are just one sided battles that occasional get interesting when another faction decides to pop on in force for an hour.

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  • Mitchblue
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    I don't agree with the vet 1-13 battle levels, are you really going to baby people until their literally max level?

    Levels 1-50 are what i consider a tutorial, easy pve and battle leveled in pvp, and thats fine people can enjoy the game without any real effort and get the basics etc.. down.

    But when you hit vet level you actually need to put a it of though't into the game and actually build your charater, decide where to stick attributes without the 'a bit of everything' thought.

    This game is slowly becoming more of a carebear mmorpg, just because most people though't it would be another skyrim and now because they realised they can't change the difficulty to insanely easy and have to put a little effort everyones crying.

    Battle level to vet 4-5 is fine because those early vets you stuggle because theirs such a difference in resources at that point., but after vet 4-5 you can easily kill any vet levels if you figure a build, get equipment, morph the right skills and get used to your class.

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  • mcurley
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    A veteran only campaign would be a nice addition. Since they have a non-vet only campaign it really only makes sense.
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  • Spearshard
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    I can see where the OP is coming from, especially since there is a dedicated non vet campaign. But I do have to say that I can't believe that battle leveling for vets has taken this long. Low lvl vets get one shorted and its a huge turn off. The only thing you can do is stay with a giant pack and pray to the pvp gods that you aren't noticed. I'm not talking getting hit from stealth, I mean straight on event walking up to you and bam dead. Vetb levels 1-5 are little more than free ap for the taking. I'm not saying bump all new vets to 12, but something like 6 out so, just to be at least competitive.
  • UrQuan
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    Given that there's only one non-vet campaign, and that you can't have alts from different alliances in the same campaign, this wouldn't work.
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  • pepperybrine
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    If a friend is veteran and i am a lowbie, i want to play with my friend, thats much more fun than solo
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  • stojekarcub18_ESO
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    I'm guessing OP is either on console or is AD/EP. DC on PC never has queues.
  • Pman85
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    Here is something that the lower levels will never have that i keep getting multiple per day: CP!
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  • UrQuan
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    Pman85 wrote: »
    Here is something that the lower levels will never have that i keep getting multiple per day: CP!
    Um, my level 38 & my level 42 both have about 180 CPs...
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  • Enodoc
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    The Veteran-only campaign was removed. I can't remember why, but it wasn't working out. There are no Veteran campaigns any more, just Non-Vet campaigns and Everyone campaigns.

    Regarding battle-levelling, I think it's a good mechanic, as it means PvP battles are based entirely on a player's skill and not on their power level. That's why Death Recap in Cyrodiil shows alliance rank rather than level; someone with a higher rank is likely to be more skilled at PvP, whereas someone with a higher level may not be. It wouldn't be a very good system if a VR14 Recruit could come into Cyrodiil and destroy a Lvl 48 Tribune just because they have more power.
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  • Rinmaethodain
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    ZOS apparently have agenda to FORCE everyone to do PVP.

    Thats why this illusion that even lvl10 can do it and thats why they bother with battle leveling.

    IC just proves that ZOS wants to force as much players as possible to "enjoy" PVP thus they use every means to make people go there.
  • usrevenge
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Given that there's only one non-vet campaign, and that you can't have alts from different alliances in the same campaign, this wouldn't work.

    there are like 8 non-vet only campaigns on ps4.

  • Mojmir
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    ZOS apparently have agenda to FORCE everyone to do PVP.

    Thats why this illusion that even lvl10 can do it and thats why they bother with battle leveling.

    IC just proves that ZOS wants to force as much players as possible to "enjoy" PVP thus they use every means to make people go there.

    been saying this, IC is gonna be a sniper paradise where old pvp'rs go to die. all kill,no skill
  • Johngo0036
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    Maybe what should be done is a vet campaign which only v6 - v14 can battle it out,
    another where lvl 40 - vr5 can battle it out

    should be added.
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  • Merlin13KAGL
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    There are no Level 10's in Cyrodiil.

    There are Level 10's battle leveled to VR14, however...

    Why should you have to wait 40 more levels to join the fray? Most people have the majority of their primary skills unlocked and maxed by L40 or so...
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

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  • Elijah_Crow
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    One of the greatest things about Cyrodiil is that the entire guild can go and have fun together regardless of any difference in levels and everyone gets loot appropriate to their level.

    I wouldn't want to see that changed.
  • drzycki_ESO
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    One of the greatest things about Cyrodiil is that the entire guild can go and have fun together regardless of any difference in levels and everyone gets loot appropriate to their level.

    I wouldn't want to see that changed.

    This is how I feel.

  • markt84
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    I don't see what made this dude so upset that he had to make this post. He must of got smashed by a lower level. Regarding VR ranks, the campaigns are right. If you aren't VR you can choose to not play with VR players, but everyone can play together no matter their rank. And the buffs the non VR guys get is appropriate, they should get a bump so they can also have fun.

  • Cherryblossom
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    why are the devs wasting time to buff people who level to ten and dont take the time to actually play and level up just to go sit out in PVP and be rewarded?

    You buff lowbies to be stronger than VR 1-3 players when those players actually did some sort of leveling to get where they are but stay sub 50 gets a reward

    you should restrict under leveled players to the Non Veteran Campaign if they want to level up

    Veterans cant go to those campaigns why should the lowbies be in the Vet Campaigns

    Allowing these players to do little gameplay to be competetive with high vets is a ridiculous waste of time

    1 Non Vet Campaign, 3 factions, you can only have 1 faction in a campaign. I'll let you do the maths!

    More importantly, more or less leveled my templar in EU Thornblade and had a fairly good K/D ratio as well.

    I believe they are now buffing to Vet 14 with IC so expect to get beaten by a few Level 10's!
  • AlnilamE
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    There used to be a vet-only campaign. It was introduced at the same time as the non-vet one.

    It was removed. I'm guessing the vets didn't want to play there.
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  • markt84
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    why are the devs wasting time to buff people who level to ten and dont take the time to actually play and level up just to go sit out in PVP and be rewarded?

    You buff lowbies to be stronger than VR 1-3 players when those players actually did some sort of leveling to get where they are but stay sub 50 gets a reward

    you should restrict under leveled players to the Non Veteran Campaign if they want to level up

    Veterans cant go to those campaigns why should the lowbies be in the Vet Campaigns

    Allowing these players to do little gameplay to be competetive with high vets is a ridiculous waste of time

    1 Non Vet Campaign, 3 factions, you can only have 1 faction in a campaign. I'll let you do the maths!

    More importantly, more or less leveled my templar in EU Thornblade and had a fairly good K/D ratio as well.

    I believe they are now buffing to Vet 14 with IC so expect to get beaten by a few Level 10's!

    And they should. If your v3 and up and level 15s are working you, you aren't very good at the game
  • grumlins
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    I think it's pretty much a problem that's not going away. The vets don't want to play in the vet areas, and the vets cause trouble for the non-vet zones and the non-vets are getting rewarded for playing in the vet only areas. So really why are there a separate class of max level players. I'm all for the wheel that you put points into to further help your character but the veteran program doesn't do much to help the players it separates the community and it causes problems.
  • NewBlacksmurf
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    I've not experienced PvP in games where Level variance of 10 or more wasn't an issue.

    I think a lot of the community pondered why we never saw an arena PvP or some sort of small versions of Cyrodil as battle fields by level ranges

    Battlefields 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, VR1 - VR14
    Arenas: 4X4X4 based on the level ranges above for battle fields

    Cyrodil as a whole is a great experience for some but for others it brings on a lot of rage and rage quitting or the attitude of "I'm going to grind CP's and then come to XYZ campaign and zerg!!!!!!"


    Ultimately, the Cyrodil concept is waaaay too long for some.
    Battlefields with a shorter 1 hour max timeframe would be a lot more ideal for some. Not to take away from those who enjoy the current Cyrodil experience.

    Then this just adds to the Imperial City where you can access IC via traditional Cyrodil or via Battlefields until you reach VR1

    -Just thoughts in my head. I'm sure someone else has wrote the same in more detail
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  • Rev Rielle
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    why are the devs wasting time to buff people who level to ten and dont take the time to actually play and level up just to go sit out in PVP and be rewarded?

    You buff lowbies to be stronger than VR 1-3 players when those players actually did some sort of leveling to get where they are but stay sub 50 gets a reward

    you should restrict under leveled players to the Non Veteran Campaign if they want to level up

    Veterans cant go to those campaigns why should the lowbies be in the Vet Campaigns

    Allowing these players to do little gameplay to be competetive with high vets is a ridiculous waste of time

    They (the lower level player/s) have just as much right to play the game as you do, and from their point of view I'm sure the Battle Leveling buff in Cyrodiil is seen as a great thing.

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