Magicka Nightblades Will Destroy you in IC.

Strider_Roshin

So they buffed the most powerful magicka race (the *** Altmers) from 9% recovery to 12% recovery. Then they took a dump on stamina builds and made refreshing shadows give 15% stamina and magicka recovery. So add in vampirism with it's 10% magicka recovery and now you have a magicka Nightblade with a ton of magicka and magicka recovery naturally. Then what's this? A new mundus stone that grants spell damage? Be prepared everyone, ZOS just made magicka Nightblades ridiculously overpowered. Enjoy!

Robotmafia

well its about time they made a comeback :P

Strider_Roshin

Oh and don't forget the improvements to shadow cloak ;-)

Strider_Roshin

Robotmafia wrote: »

well its about time they made a comeback :P

Because you know, who needs balance

lathbury

they took a dump on stam blades though I have one of each am going to be testing them later

eventide03b14a_ESO

I say bring it. I'm not afraid of the FOTM newbs that are going to roll NBs and give me easy kills.

OdinForge

It's funny, every NB i fought was specced for magicka and yet i had no issue killing any of them.

Robotmafia

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

well its about time they made a comeback :P

Because you know, who needs balance

lol this game has never been balanced... leme guess ur play style is being nerfed?

leepalmer95

Robotmafia wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

well its about time they made a comeback :P

Because you know, who needs balance

lol this game has never been balanced... leme guess ur play style is being nerfed?

they should at least try and achieve some balance but they've just completely ended certain builds while completely buffing a certain class and build.

mousekime111rwb17_ESO

lathbury wrote: »

they took a dump on stam blades though I have one of each am going to be testing them later

Have faith, the stam-blade dumping on wasn't actually too bad.
Grim focus got changed to every 4 light attacks - means in PVE at least 2 abilities out of 5 will come either from your magicka pool or be free.

This is from a 10/40 to a 16/40 ratio - meaning you get 60% more time of ZERO stamina use at ZERO opportunity cost. Works out a lot better than 30% stam recovery (werewolf and shadow passive nerfs)

Dunno what this means for PvP tho.

dday3six

lathbury wrote: »

they took a dump on stam blades though I have one of each am going to be testing them later

I'm not very optimistic about Stam NB myself.

- Huge hits to mobility with Dodge Roll + Hasty Retreat change
- 15% Stam Regen from Refreshing Shadows changes

Huge chunks of Stam NB survivability gone. Hopefully I'm wrong...

Jbugz97

its all speculation we just gotta wait and see. before 1.6 no one was saying oh stamina NB or gonna super OP. most NB were still trying to stay magika but slowly switch we just gotta wait see what happens.

eventide03b14a_ESO

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

well its about time they made a comeback :P

Because you know, who needs balance

lol this game has never been balanced... leme guess ur play style is being nerfed?

they should at least try and achieve some balance but they've just completely ended certain builds while completely buffing a certain class and build.

Endless roll dodging and perma blocking shouldn't have been viable builds. Sorry but it's lame to exploit a mechanic like that. Do you know how stupid people looked roll dodging around like they were. It was ridiculous.

Farorin

After playing a bit NBs weren't really a problem, it's a bit annoying when they cloak away, but they are pretty easy to kill, I personally did very very poorly on my stamina NB compared to my usual performance in cyrodiil, especially when trying to fight sorcs.

I tested out a stamina templar though, and did better, surprisingly.

Jbugz97

@eve359cub18_ESO
they should at least try and achieve some balance but they've just completely ended certain builds while completely buffing a certain class and build.[/quote]
Endless roll dodging and perma blocking shouldn't have been viable builds. Sorry but it's lame to exploit a mechanic like that. Do you know how stupid people looked roll dodging around like they were. It was ridiculous.
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your right about that but i dont want them to nerf roll dodge to were no one uses it at all.

Turelus

I guess it's our month after the lows of the age of Nirncrux stacking, Perma-Roll Dodging and 40s detection potions.

Honestly I see a lot of buffs for the NB but nothing which makes then anywhere close to OP, it's the class designed to gank single players and their only strong defence is the cloak.
Play in a group who don't leave each other behind and take some skills like caltrops/mark target/flare and it will be fine.

You have to remember that overall damage output has gone down as well, so it may not be as easy to gank players. Also the NB has to keep an eye out for monsters with the ability to see through cloak/stealth as monsters will be everywhere in IC.

Strider_Roshin

Robotmafia wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

well its about time they made a comeback :P

Because you know, who needs balance

lol this game has never been balanced... leme guess ur play style is being nerfed?

Lol yes, I just lost 30% stamina regeneration. I'll adapt though

eventide03b14a_ESO

Jbugz97 wrote: »

@eve359cub18_ESO
they should at least try and achieve some balance but they've just completely ended certain builds while completely buffing a certain class and build.

Endless roll dodging and perma blocking shouldn't have been viable builds. Sorry but it's lame to exploit a mechanic like that. Do you know how stupid people looked roll dodging around like they were. It was ridiculous.
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your right about that but i dont want them to nerf roll dodge to were no one uses it at all.[/quote]

It should be used sparingly and judiciously. I have always used it as a way to avoid an obvious AoE, but I have never spammed it endlessly. You have to be a better player than just use one mechanic over and over. That's who the changes are going to hurt the most. Not good players, only player that have memorized a very specific pattern of mouse and keyboard clicks. Or to put it another way, a method that can be achieved just by macros. People who can think on their feet and who can block when appropriate or roll dodge only when necessary will not be hurt by this. It's going to weed out the bad players really quickly.

Junkogen

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

So they buffed the most powerful magicka race (the *** Altmers) from 9% recovery to 12% recovery. Then they took a dump on stamina builds and made refreshing shadows give 15% stamina and magicka recovery. So add in vampirism with it's 10% magicka recovery and now you have a magicka Nightblade with a ton of magicka and magicka recovery naturally. Then what's this? A new mundus stone that grants spell damage? Be prepared everyone, ZOS just made magicka Nightblades ridiculously overpowered. Enjoy!

They buffed the Altmer passives? I seriously hate Eric Wrobel. What is that guy doing?! He has no concept of balance. How does buffing Altmer make sense when you have races like Argonians and Khajiit that are so starved for decent passives.

He just nerfs and buffs without much thought put into anything.

kamikaze590

Ha ha that's a funny joke lol, but seriously I've always found nightblades easy to defeat once you know there moves. Oh and one more thing whenever your fighting monsters BRING A DAMN GROUP! Lol then you cant be killed so easily

Sithisvoid

Junkogen wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

So they buffed the most powerful magicka race (the *** Altmers) from 9% recovery to 12% recovery. Then they took a dump on stamina builds and made refreshing shadows give 15% stamina and magicka recovery. So add in vampirism with it's 10% magicka recovery and now you have a magicka Nightblade with a ton of magicka and magicka recovery naturally. Then what's this? A new mundus stone that grants spell damage? Be prepared everyone, ZOS just made magicka Nightblades ridiculously overpowered. Enjoy!

They buffed the Altmer passives? I seriously hate Eric Wrobel. What is that guy doing?! He has no concept of balance. How does buffing Altmer make sense when you have races like Argonians and Khajiit that are so starved for decent passives.

He just nerfs and buffs without much thought put into anything.

He buffed argonians and Kajjit too

Strider_Roshin

kamikaze590 wrote: »

Ha ha that's a funny joke lol, but seriously I've always found nightblades easy to defeat once you know there moves. Oh and one more thing whenever your fighting monsters BRING A DAMN GROUP! Lol then you cant be killed so easily

I'm a Nightblade so I agree, Nightblades are so dependent on their cloak, and once marked they are easy kills. Thankfully I'm not dependent on my cloak ;-)

Junkogen

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

So they buffed the most powerful magicka race (the *** Altmers) from 9% recovery to 12% recovery. Then they took a dump on stamina builds and made refreshing shadows give 15% stamina and magicka recovery. So add in vampirism with it's 10% magicka recovery and now you have a magicka Nightblade with a ton of magicka and magicka recovery naturally. Then what's this? A new mundus stone that grants spell damage? Be prepared everyone, ZOS just made magicka Nightblades ridiculously overpowered. Enjoy!

They buffed the Altmer passives? I seriously hate Eric Wrobel. What is that guy doing?! He has no concept of balance. How does buffing Altmer make sense when you have races like Argonians and Khajiit that are so starved for decent passives.

He just nerfs and buffs without much thought put into anything.

He buffed argonians and Kajjit too

Barely. A buff to the potion passive is not much of a buff.