The DragonKnight Rises (Opens September 2015)

TagaParti

And we're going back in the old days.
Where the bats will be summoned by DKs.
And they will spam whips and talons.
Combined with nonstop invasion and nirnhoned.
Yeah, they will permablock no more.
But noone can escape anymore.
DKs will rise.
DKs will rule!

NBs will be considered the joker.
Suicide squad's funny leader.
Yeah, they cant roll dodge forever now.
But they can invi no matter how.
Funny they cant burst anymore.
Even funnier coz they will run slower.
And all they can do
Is to reveal themselves
And run for their lives with no selfheals and shields.

Sorcs will compete with NBs.
As to who should be the leader
For the squad of suiciders.
Coz when NBs can be the joker
Sorc can also be renamed as JOKE.
No more bolt escape now
Yeah, they still have it
But can they even use it to escape?
Yeah, they're a joke now.
Put on some nirnhoned
And all Sorcs can ask is, HOW?

Templars, what are they?
Oh they're here to complete the list.
Nevermind!

Minnesinger

Care to open up the logic? Why are DKs so powerful, what is wrong with NBs? NBs are supposed to fit perfectly in IC. Especially, when IC is like a labyrinth where a clewer NB can be hiding "around every corner".

Rylana

The Catman files injunction for copyright claim to the "rises" title.

Also lol

Aquanova

Actually nightblades will get a self heal of sorts, with vigor being moved to assault rank 5. Well.....for those of us who weren't high enough alliance rank anyways.

LegionGemini

Drain essence on a vampire DK looks good now as well

TagaParti

Minnesinger wrote: »

Care to open up the logic? Why are DKs so powerful, what is wrong with NBs? NBs are supposed to fit perfectly in IC. Especially, when IC is like a labyrinth where a clewer NB can be hiding "around every corner".

Just imagine what will you do as an NB when a DK charge you and spam talons and whips?

Case 1: Magicka NB
Cast healing ward, Cloak
Attack
Oops, not enough burst (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing too (nerfed)
Cloak again and try to escape
Oops, cant escape, DK spamming talons
Dead!

Case 2: Stamina NB
Cast vigor and rally
Wrecking blow
Oops, not enough damage (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing (nerfed)
Roll dodge once
DK talons
Roll dodge again
DK invasion + talons
Roll dodge again
More talons
Oops, no more stamina (roll dodge nerf)
Dead!

TagaParti

Rylana wrote: »

The Catman files injunction for copyright claim to the "rises" title.

Also lol

No, Catman owns the title "Hides"

Sanct16

TagaParti wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Care to open up the logic? Why are DKs so powerful, what is wrong with NBs? NBs are supposed to fit perfectly in IC. Especially, when IC is like a labyrinth where a clewer NB can be hiding "around every corner".

Just imagine what will you do as an NB when a DK charge you and spam talons and whips?

Case 1: Magicka NB
Cast healing ward, Cloak
Attack
Oops, not enough burst (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing too (nerfed)
Cloak again and try to escape
Oops, cant escape, DK spamming talons
Dead!

Case 2: Stamina NB
Cast vigor and rally
Wrecking blow
Oops, not enough damage (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing (nerfed)
Roll dodge once
DK talons
Roll dodge again
DK invasion + talons
Roll dodge again
More talons
Oops, no more stamina (roll dodge nerf)
Dead!

Healing and Damage are reduced for DKs too. So a DK will still not be able to kill a shieldstacking enemy.
On the other hand tho, what is the DK gonna use as defense? Obviously not block since he wont regen Stamina then. So he uses invasion, gets feared and is out if stamina. Fear => dead

TagaParti

Sanct16 wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Care to open up the logic? Why are DKs so powerful, what is wrong with NBs? NBs are supposed to fit perfectly in IC. Especially, when IC is like a labyrinth where a clewer NB can be hiding "around every corner".

Just imagine what will you do as an NB when a DK charge you and spam talons and whips?

Case 1: Magicka NB
Cast healing ward, Cloak
Attack
Oops, not enough burst (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing too (nerfed)
Cloak again and try to escape
Oops, cant escape, DK spamming talons
Dead!

Case 2: Stamina NB
Cast vigor and rally
Wrecking blow
Oops, not enough damage (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing (nerfed)
Roll dodge once
DK talons
Roll dodge again
DK invasion + talons
Roll dodge again
More talons
Oops, no more stamina (roll dodge nerf)
Dead!

Healing and Damage are reduced for DKs too. So a DK will still not be able to kill a shieldstacking enemy.
On the other hand tho, what is the DK gonna use as defense? Obviously not block since he wont regen Stamina then. So he uses invasion, gets feared and is out if stamina. Fear => dead

The question is for NB.
For Sorc there are different scenarios but DKs will win.
We are talking about same level of player skills.

Minnesinger

TagaParti wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Care to open up the logic? Why are DKs so powerful, what is wrong with NBs? NBs are supposed to fit perfectly in IC. Especially, when IC is like a labyrinth where a clewer NB can be hiding "around every corner".

Just imagine what will you do as an NB when a DK charge you and spam talons and whips?

Case 1: Magicka NB
Cast healing ward, Cloak
Attack
Oops, not enough burst (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing too (nerfed)
Cloak again and try to escape
Oops, cant escape, DK spamming talons
Dead!

Case 2: Stamina NB
Cast vigor and rally
Wrecking blow
Oops, not enough damage (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing (nerfed)
Roll dodge once
DK talons
Roll dodge again
DK invasion + talons
Roll dodge again
More talons
Oops, no more stamina (roll dodge nerf)
Dead!

Healing and Damage are reduced for DKs too. So a DK will still not be able to kill a shieldstacking enemy.
On the other hand tho, what is the DK gonna use as defense? Obviously not block since he wont regen Stamina then. So he uses invasion, gets feared and is out if stamina. Fear => dead

The question is for NB.
For Sorc there are different scenarios but DKs will win.
We are talking about same level of player skills.

I have a bit of playtime in IC. The times I have been playing NB against a DK it isn´t quite so predictable. The damage nerf is noticable but at the same time I didn´t even need to use cloak to stay safe. It is how best outmaneuver the opponent and how good CC you have. Even as a stamina NB rooting/ petrify caused me most trouble. The fights are longer. I still say NB has a perfect opprtunity in IC. They drag less enemy attention as the place is swarming with npcs. I also saw big groups being formed so any soloer might have it hard times regardless of class.

TagaParti

Minnesinger wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Care to open up the logic? Why are DKs so powerful, what is wrong with NBs? NBs are supposed to fit perfectly in IC. Especially, when IC is like a labyrinth where a clewer NB can be hiding "around every corner".

Just imagine what will you do as an NB when a DK charge you and spam talons and whips?

Case 1: Magicka NB
Cast healing ward, Cloak
Attack
Oops, not enough burst (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing too (nerfed)
Cloak again and try to escape
Oops, cant escape, DK spamming talons
Dead!

Case 2: Stamina NB
Cast vigor and rally
Wrecking blow
Oops, not enough damage (nerfed)
Oops, not enough healing (nerfed)
Roll dodge once
DK talons
Roll dodge again
DK invasion + talons
Roll dodge again
More talons
Oops, no more stamina (roll dodge nerf)
Dead!

Healing and Damage are reduced for DKs too. So a DK will still not be able to kill a shieldstacking enemy.
On the other hand tho, what is the DK gonna use as defense? Obviously not block since he wont regen Stamina then. So he uses invasion, gets feared and is out if stamina. Fear => dead

The question is for NB.
For Sorc there are different scenarios but DKs will win.
We are talking about same level of player skills.

I have a bit of playtime in IC. The times I have been playing NB against a DK it isn´t quite so predictable. The damage nerf is noticable but at the same time I didn´t even need to use cloak to stay safe. It is how best outmaneuver the opponent and how good CC you have. Even as a stamina NB rooting/ petrify caused me most trouble. The fights are longer. I still say NB has a perfect opprtunity in IC. They drag less enemy attention as the place is swarming with npcs. I also saw big groups being formed so any soloer might have it hard times regardless of class.

Exactly.
What you will see will be groups.
And groups with several DKs will crushed opposing group with same level of skill, talon spam is here again.

Jbugz97

@Sanct16
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Healing and Damage are reduced for DKs too. So a DK will still not be able to kill a shieldstacking enemy.
On the other hand tho, what is the DK gonna use as defense? Obviously not block since he wont regen Stamina then. So he uses invasion, gets feared and is out if stamina. Fear => dead [/quote]

dk got a damage buff for their whip.

20% when whiping someone when their of-balance

Teiji

Casting Petrify restores 5% stamina. Cast it every 5 seconds to drain stamina, cast it ten times that's 50% max stamina back, on top your stamina regen and Battle Roar.

DK has always been in a decent spot, IC they'll be in a slightly better spot even though everyone is hitting each other with pillows now.

Soulac

Yonkit

Purge. Problem solved.

Yeesh, the #1 self promoted permablocker is boasting about the update that ends DK block forever. DK will be very strong in the IC, just not the way you play it.

cazlonb16_ESO

On PC EU Dks have already rebounded strongly before the new patch. Flap, flap,. flappy wings everywhere.

Bromburak

TagaParti wrote: »

Yeah, they cant roll dodge forever now.
But they can invi no matter how.
Funny they cant burst anymore.
Even funnier coz they will run slower.
And all they can do
Is to reveal themselves
And run for their lives with no selfheals and shields.

You are a funny dude with a broken Crystal ball.

NBs will generate much more ulti than DK and DK mainly needs to spend much more stamina to gain stamina while losing Def and being less efficient in ulti management.

Bashev

I thought that the psycho patients shouldn't have access to the Internet in the psycho clinics.

Erock25

Why does everyone pay so much attention to this guys posts?

Bromburak

Erock25 wrote: »

Why does everyone pay so much attention to this guys posts?

Batman begins.

WebBull

About the only thing true in the OP is that bats (vamps in general) will be even more prevalent.

Rylana

TagaParti wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

The Catman files injunction for copyright claim to the "rises" title.

Also lol

No, Catman owns the title "Hides"

Catman is a templar, therefore cannot hide. Try again.

Bezilar

1.7 will be rise of the templars

Etaniel

Biting jabs dealing insane amounts of dmg right now

Sanct16

Etaniel wrote: »

Biting jabs dealing insane amounts of dmg right now

Yes. Time to nerf DK.

Treassach_ESO

umm... as someone who plays every class and used to play dk heavily, dks have seen nothing but nerfs since launch and that trend has continued with current patch notes. My other classes eat dks alive for breakfast on live and even more so on the PTS, I have all but stopped PvPing on the dk. Current meta is all about NBs and Sorcs, and from what Ive experienced on the PTS both myself and from watching and talking to others that seems to be even more reinforced, even more people are dropping their dks and templars in favor of sorc and nb builds.

tordr86b16_ESO

Won't like IC with the current layout of the map as a dk or temp... lol actually, make that anything that is not NB

Armitas

Will bats count as a slotted vamp skill for the passives?

Lord_Hev

Armitas wrote: »

Will bats count as a slotted vamp skill for the passives?

Yes

tist

I can't wait to ignore every DK I see.

Armitas

Armitas wrote: »

Will bats count as a slotted vamp skill?

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Will bats count as a slotted vamp skill for the passives?

Yes

Nice! I look forward to my logically mandatory transformation when 1.7 comes out. My previous logically mandatory werewolf situation was beginning to get a little stale so this should help freshen things up.